Sunday, July 09, 2006

Cardinal says Turkey ‘not suitable’ for EU membership

Cardinal Kasper (see previous post) has been pontificating again. This time on Turkey’s suitability for EU membership. The reason? A Catholic priest has been attacked, and he is third to be ‘harassed’ by ‘Muslim fundamentalists’ in the past 6 months. It is strange that Cardinal Casper has never denounced the UK as being unsuitable for EU membership on the grounds that Catholic priests in Northern Ireland have been harassed by ‘Protestant fundamentalists’ for decades, and with a frequency that renders consideration of a brief 6-month period utterly insignificant. Could it be that his concern is more about the perpetuation of the EU as Christendom, into which an Islamic Turkey simply does not fit? If so, he has simply become the mouthpiece of the diplomatically-muted Pope, who in his former guise as Cardinal Ratzinger, vigorously opposed Turkish accession to the EU.

But the Cardinal’s solution to the problem is immensely illuminating. He demands for Turkey what Rome is trying to deny the rest of the EU. He says, ‘What is still missing (in Turkey) is a secular state capable of assuring religious freedom.’ The Pope’s constant refrain on the European stage has been to aggressively combat secular ideology, and replace it with true Catholic values. The Cardinal is effectively admitting that a Catholic state is no more capable of defending religious liberties than a Muslim one, and that the most trustworthy guardian of religious liberty is benign secularism. So what is Rome's problem with a secular EU?


Blogger Croydonian said...

One might note that there are parts of the EU where men of the cloth have been attacked of late.

9 July 2006 at 16:38  
Anonymous Olly said...

All religions and denominations are attacked over the EU, including Croatia, which the Vatican was desperate to admit to the EU. It seems the cardinal is only really concerned about attacks on Catholics, and only then if those attacks are by Muslims, especially if those Muslims are Turkish - it's a great reason then to keep Turkey out!

9 July 2006 at 18:36  
Anonymous Rick said...

I was unaware that Catholic priests were being beaten up or murdered in Northern Ireland, or that they had been. No doubt the United Kingdom would be failing in its obligations under the UN Charter and the Convention of the European Council under such circumstances as Turkey most certainly is with its prohibition of seminaries, its police harassment of Christian acts of worship, and the murder of a Catholic priest.

If you have evidence that Catholic priests are receiving such inhumane treatment in Northern Ireland Cranmer you should make complaints to the Police Service of Northern Ireland and to the Secretary of State.

Turkey is certainly a blatant failure in ensuring rights of any group but Muslims - no doubt a foretaste of the Europe To Come

9 July 2006 at 22:10  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Rick,

Cranmer has already provided one such link, and there are quite a few others freely available. Presumably, you are prepared to accept a BBC report, if not the word of Cranmer?

9 July 2006 at 22:44  
Anonymous Rick said...

Presumably, you are prepared to accept a BBC report, if not the word of Cranmer?

I'd rather believe Cranmer !

10 July 2006 at 06:31  
Anonymous Rick said...

but having said that there is no evidence the fire in Co Antrim was started by a) The Police b) The Presybterian Church c) The British Govt

The issues in Turkey are closely associated with the regime. The PM of Turkey has a wife who wears the headscarf - banned in Turkey.............the Islamic Party is bending rules and being encouraged by the EU to circumvent the army which is the sole institution upholding the secular constitution.

Then again letting Turkey into the Eu might in turn let us have a re-run of The Thirty Years War with Jihadis from the Middle East and Chechnya coming to beef up the battles

10 July 2006 at 06:35  
Anonymous DavidG said...

I agree with Cardinal Casper (or is it Kasper?) but for a different reason.

Turkey has just banned Winnie the Pooh, because of the presence of Piglet 'which Muslims find offensive'. I thought they just didn't eat pigs, nothing to do with finding the sight of them offensive. Anyway, on those grounds alone they should never be admitted to the European Union.

10 July 2006 at 18:30  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Clerics are subject to attack in any society, Turkey is no different.
Look what we did to poor Cranmer.

10 July 2006 at 18:54  
Blogger Croydonian said...


It is beginning to look like it. Here's a domestic example. All rather poor, frankly.

10 July 2006 at 19:13  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

I didnt condone such attacks, I just pointed out they have always happened,
as an example
Christ getting nailed to a tree

shiites dragging Sunnis from their cars and executing them.
Palestinian children shot by young jewish soldiers who think god gave them that land and the right to do as they wish being the chosen race.

Religion sucks

10 July 2006 at 23:00  
Blogger Croydonian said...

PCF - I didn't suppose that you did, apologies for any misunderstanding.

I suggest you brace yourself for when the rest of the regulars read your sign off.....

Meanwhile, I do miss a certain absentee.

11 July 2006 at 00:38  
Anonymous Rick said...

Look what we did to poor Cranmer.

You must be a friend of Bloody Mary to speak of "we".

11 July 2006 at 06:59  
Anonymous Alfred of Wessex said...

Phone Cam Foolery 11:00 PM.

If you think religion is bad when it comes to killing, try atheism:

Hitler 6 Million
Stalin 20 Million
Mao Zhedong 20 Million (est)
Pol Pot 3 Million

That's nearly 50 million in C20 alone.

13 July 2006 at 18:10  
Anonymous Rick said...

You forget that WWII cost 64 million dead so you could lay that at the door of Hitlerite Nazism, Stalinist Marxism and Japanese Emperor Worshippers.

25-30 million died in Europe in the war years

13 July 2006 at 19:24  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

I concede Alfred,religiion is a good thing, when correctly applied,like varnish,
unfortunatley, unlike Ronseal varnish it doesnt appear to do what it says on the tin.

13 July 2006 at 22:23  
Anonymous person said...

phoney said...unfortunatley, unlike Ronseal varnish it doesnt appear to do what it says on the tin.
yeh, that's cause you've never put shariat to practise. it' clear that your penal system needs a bit of varnish applied to it. Try the islamic penal system. I recomment you a book 'islamic penal system and philosophy' by Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri.

15 July 2006 at 11:35  
Anonymous Rick said...

it' clear that your penal system needs a bit of varnish applied to it.

So needs a lot of changes to render it fit for purpose.........a thorough clean out and renovation

19 July 2006 at 07:30  

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