Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Islam occupies Alton Towers

In order to facilitate the integration of Muslims into British life, there is to be a Muslims-only day at Alton Towers on September 17th, when there will be no music, no alcohol, no smoking, and no gambling. The theme park is to be given over to the ‘Prophet’ and the Qur’an, with Islamic law prevailing. There will also be an abundance of prayer mats, the burgers will be halal, and rides will segregated... “Okay, this first coaster ride is for the men, because they’re superior. You women wait over there; you should really be at home cooking and cleaning anyway.” If such segregation occurred on any other day, it would be illegal under UK law.

Cranmer is wondering why the Taleban tendency at Alton Towers hasn’t gone the whole hog and banned the songbirds as well. Will any of the rides be re-named? Will the Log Flume or the Black Hole become Suicide Plunge? Will all of the rides stop at prayer times?

Cranmer is not ignorant of Islamic theological matters, and can’t help wondering why music is considered haram, but not the rollercoaster. Either the Qur’an permits one to have fun, or it does not. And if you rely on the Hadith, there is no record of Mohammed ever going to a leisure park. Cranmer knows of no Muslim in Britain who adheres to the banning of music, while a great many who are deprived of music (or nicotine!) for a day will find it tortuous. And isn’t it all a bit dangerous on some of those ‘extreme’ rides with hijabs flying in the wind? Rides unsuitable for hijabs and burkas that carry no warning will doubtless lead to lawsuits: will Alton Towers then submit to Shari’a courts?

In order to keep out the kafir, tickets can only be bought through the organisers Islamic Leisure, and the Muslims are loving it. Can you imagine the fuss if there was a Christians-only day? Or a whites-only day? Quite how social harmony and cohesion are promoted by effectively closing the theme park to non-Muslims is a mystery. The Islamic occupation of Alton Towers, with the application of elements of the Shari’a, is as eloquent a statement of separateness, of apartheid, as one could imagine. If Muslims are really intent on integrating with the wider community, why promote an activity designed to alienate, exclude, or offend the indigenous population?

107 Comments:

Blogger Peter O said...

What I find cute Cranmer is that This Page says that you can pay by credit card. Hardly Qardhul Hassan is it?

What's Cranmer's general stance on Usury (and did he think of putting it in those excellent "Articles" he drew up a while back)?

11 July 2006 at 09:22  
Blogger wrinkled weasel said...

I am not convinced. Is this a giant hoax? The story has yet to surface on any of the main news channels as far as I can see, but that is maybe not surprising.

Assuming this is a real story, I don't think the use of the word "apartheid" in this context is excessive. It can do nothing to foster understanding of, or sympathy with Islamic culture in this country. It is blatant sectarianism. What can the operators of Alton Towers be thinking?

I notice that AT does not make a big deal about the day, preferring to coyly refer to it as a "corporate event". Perhaps it has not escaped Cranmer's notice that there is also another corporate event,a Gays Only day. What are the special arrangements going to be for that one, I wonder?



I am not taking bets on me being able to secure an English Whites only, Heterosexual Fun Day arrangement with AT as this would be considered nationalistic, racist and homophobic. Somehow I am beginning to feel like an opressed minority.

11 July 2006 at 11:26  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Cranmer according to the organisers non muslims are welcome.
The rides may be scary but imagine the thrill one could have proselytising and singing onward Christian soldiers amongst that lot, beats any log flume for danger I bet.

11 July 2006 at 12:17  
Anonymous Rick said...

They were going to do the same thing at Six Flags in the States until the public threatened a boycott of the theme park unless it was accessible to members of the public.

The issue here is that control over admission has passed to an outside group to whom any non-Muslim must apply for tickets. That is an interesting approach - and the gay day is in the hands of gaydar.

No doubt Alton Towers is finding it hard to pull in the crowds. Do Muslim "fun days" include laughter ?

11 July 2006 at 12:53  
Blogger Croydonian said...

I think there is the scope for litigation here.

Let us say that a non-Muslim gains access to the park and seeks to go on a ride which has been designated for the opposite gender for that time slot, I imagine Alton Towers rather than Islamic Leisure would be liable for any breach of the sexual discrimination statutes.

11 July 2006 at 13:00  
Anonymous Olly said...

This is interesting. It's true that Jews or Christians are free to attend, but I think Cranmer's point is that they clearly wouldn't want to. In that respect, it's not really a day that is going to progress integration! And Phone Cam, I think if you start trying to sing Christian hymns and spreading the gospel, you would not be welcome!

11 July 2006 at 13:03  
Blogger Sabretache said...

Sorry - Off topic; but Cranmer et-al really ought read the reply to threats from the F&CO by our ex-British Ambassador to. If it the threat succeeds, then it appears the The King James Bible is probably Crown Copyright and you will need specific permission from HMG to publish - or even quote from it! - the mind boggles.

11 July 2006 at 13:11  
Blogger Sabretache said...

.... Ambassador to --OOps - Uzbekistan

11 July 2006 at 13:14  
Blogger wrinkled weasel said...

For many years now, Christians of all shades of opinion have met and held large gatherings at amusement parks and showgrounds, to declare and revel in their faith. Some are very happy clappy and some are a bit musical but I am not aware that they have banned entry for those of other faiths or those with no faith at all. On the contrary, they seem to positively encourage them.

I just want to assert that Christianity, not Islam, is the faith culture in this country, bought for us at a great price, as Cranmer himself is well aware.

Perhaps it is time to stick our hands into the fire and stand up for what we believe.

11 July 2006 at 14:03  
Anonymous Rick said...

The King James Bible is probably Crown Copyright

Not really..........it may be based on The King's Bible of 1539 which Cranmer was instructed to use as the basis but it did use Tyndale's translation which was not authorised. It was then put out to licensed printers simply because printers were licensed to keep presses under control.

You would be very hard-pressed in a court of law to impose any control over the KJV because it has been in the public domain for almost 400 years.


As for Alton Towers you will have to contact Islamic Leisure if you wish to attend - only they control access since they have rented the park for the whole day.

There are NO tickets available save the ones they issue

11 July 2006 at 15:31  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

How is this for a wheeze?
"Jews for Jesus" take a stall and hand out leaflets, double bubble.
Don't know if any of you read in last nights evening standard about the latest Met Police nonsense?
They were policing a muslim event and a lunch bag was provided for plod, when it turned up it contained ham sandwiches so some clown senior officer sent them back in case offence was caused.
Of course the Muslims couldn't care less what the police ate for lunch, plod starved and diversity was celebrated.

11 July 2006 at 16:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a policeman eats a ham sandwich is it cannibalism ?

11 July 2006 at 18:22  
Anonymous Rick said...

http://tinyurl.com/q54h5

Now Alton Towers has a very big problem and so do the Muslims !

12 July 2006 at 02:33  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Re Rick's last, I can't help but wonder whether a couple that chooses to wed at a theme park views marriage as an altogether serious endeavour.

12 July 2006 at 08:35  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Peter,

Welcome to Cranmer's blog. Usury is a necessary evil. It was not necessary to include it in the XXXIX Articles because hypocrisy would then have undermined them from the outset. As it is, it has taken the best part of five centuries to undermine them, so their longevity was enhanced by the exclusion of such a troublesome clause.

Mr Winkled Weasel,

Welcome to you also. Cranmer loves your name, and wishes the unimaginative 'anonymice' would display such creative flair. This story is not a hoax, as those poor unfortunates have found with their wedding plans. In Cranmer's opinion, the Gay Day should be held on the same day as the Muslim Day. Now that would be fun...

Mr Phone Cam Foolery,

Welcome. Cranmer is aware that others are permitted entry to the park on this day, but agrees with Olly that few would wish to. In that regard, the day is aimed at the exclusion of other faiths. The planned wedding will hardly be 'Christian', though as Mr Croydonian points out, a serious liturgical ceremony could never have been envisaged.

Mr Croydonian,

Cranmer is intrigued by the legality or otherwise of the gender discrimination being enforced on those non-Muslims who bother to attend. Since Alton Towers is not a place of worship, it has no exemptions from such laws. It is hoped that a solitary non-Muslim does indeed challenge this, because the law suit would be highly entertaining...

12 July 2006 at 09:02  
Anonymous Rick said...

I can't help but wonder whether a couple that chooses to wed at a theme park views marriage as an altogether serious endeavour.

Since it will be the Hotel which is registered as a "Registered Building" or "RB" I cannot see why one hotel is any more sacred for a civil wedding than any other - in fact our local Registry Office was the headquarters of the local Poor Law Guardians and is a splendidly appointed building.

I am just more irritated that the words "bachelor" and "spinster" cannot appear on the wedding certificate

12 July 2006 at 10:53  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Rick,

Maybe so. Each to their own and all that. I married in France and had a frieze of symbolic representations of the seven deadly sins in my line of sight, which was fairly chastening. Shame the priest who talked us through the meaning of marriage (although not the one who actually conducted the service) has been nicked for child molesting.

(I hope out gracious host will forgive the meander).

12 July 2006 at 11:46  
Anonymous Rick said...

Yorkshire Post has an article on the couple from Leeds who paid £5.000 18months ago for their Big Day which is now subject to them becoming Dhimmis at Alton Towers

12 July 2006 at 12:16  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Here is Rick's story from the YP.

12 July 2006 at 12:35  
Blogger Cranmer said...

(I hope out gracious host will forgive the meander).

Mr Croydonian,

Cranmer does not consider any discussion of paedophile priests to be a meander on any thread. Carte Blanch.

On another matter, Cranmer was rather hoping for a particular visitor to engage with this particular thread. Must be away...again...

12 July 2006 at 13:21  
Blogger Croydonian said...

His Grace is indeed a gracious host.

Indeed, it isn't the same without him.

12 July 2006 at 13:24  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

"peter"
I hope you dont mind but I looked at your wedding home page (congratulations)
May I make a suggestion?
Its a really silly idea to post you name and bank details online, people can use them to obtain credit in your name and make a nice big mess of your life, so you will be doing yourself a favour if you erase that info.
Nick

12 July 2006 at 14:30  
Anonymous dot said...

cranmer, when I posted on this blog, you did not welcome me.In fact you told me to run along like a 'good girl'.

Anyway, wrinkled weasel said -
'I just want to assert that Christianity, not Islam, is the faith culture in this country, bought for us at a great price,'
Firstly, faith and culture together is an oxymoron.
Secondly, define culture... how can this country's culture be classed as 'christian' when the majority are athiests, and chritianity is not a culture, it is a religion. come on wrinkled weasel, get the basics right.
And finally, what exactly do you mean by your comment, do you mean that you have no tolerance for other cultures and religions, or that they have no right to be in this country even though it was it was christians who advertised and used incentives to bring in ethnic minorities from other countries in order to rebuild Britain after the second world war.

12 July 2006 at 14:48  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Dot,

Cranmer considered your introductory commented on this blog to be inane and unintelligent. Cranmer is intolerant of superficial banality. However, you appear to have acquired a few A-levels since your initial contributions, so Cranmer is now pleased to welcome you.

And as for your gender, Cranmer assumes that someone choosing to sport the name Dot either recognises it as a diminution of Dorothy or is a fan of Eastenders. Both of these depend on a surplus of oestrogen. If, however, Dot is male, Cranmer makes no apology for concluding what any right-minded intelligence would do.

Now theologise.

12 July 2006 at 15:24  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Dot,

For what it is worth I would describe myself as a low church Anglican agnostic, the point being that the culture, particularly the high culture, of this country cannot be understood without reference to the role of Christianity, and more particularly the King James version and the Book of Common Prayer. Take that away and try to make sense of much of the literature in the english language, or wander around the National Gallery and wonder why there are so many paintings of a man nailed to a cross. Depending upon one's viewpoint this might be a good thing or bad thing, but it happens to be the case

I would also dispute yout figure of majority atheism. It would seem that active adherents to all faith positions are outnumbered by the rest, but it is something of a leap to go from figures of non-attendance at church, shul or temple to an assumption of atheism.

12 July 2006 at 15:31  
Anonymous kaila said...

It is essential that people learn to differ culture from religion. How on earth can the two things be the same? They have two different definitions and people are ignorant to mix them up. How they manage to do that is beyond me!!!

In reply to Rick's 'Do Muslim's fun day include laughter':

Rick you take ignorance to a new level all by yourselve. I suggest you open your eyes wide enough before making such ridiculous comment. I suppose it sums you up in one sentence!!!

12 July 2006 at 18:43  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Kaila I agree
Muslims laugh all the time,
stonings
beheadings
amputations
All good clean (male)family fun after friday prayers
Why bother with music or a good play when you can watch a spot of mutilation and maybe death?

12 July 2006 at 19:09  
Anonymous MISS DOT said...

Cranmer, I appreciate the welcome. Thank you.
A dot is also a type of punctuation,I am neither an Eastenders fan, nor named Dorothy. My name could have been exclamation mark, or hyphon, (or basically any other type of punctuation).
Also, Kaila, I agree with everything you said.
Phone cam foolery, why do you appear to hold the same ignorant beliefs as rick? Devout Muslims do not take pleasure in stoning and beheadings, etc as you have implied. Unless of course you yourself take pleasure in what you have so positively described... (and are a muslim, but then that would be stereotyping, so either way you appear to be in the wrong)

12 July 2006 at 19:51  
Anonymous Kaila said...

ltAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh….phoney, you missing out on the fun? What’s the matter don’t they do extremists in your religion…..or are you classy clean. Don’t make me laugh (see the irony in that).

I suggest you go and JOIN the local mob group. You seem to have a surge of energy that cannot be released in good play. Come again? I am surprise that you can define good play. Lets face it, we all finding it hard (some more than others….hint hint) to abide by the rules.

12 July 2006 at 19:52  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Kaila
Obviously Eeeenglish is not your Mother tongue.
As to why I don't
"JOIN the local mob group"
Well, if you can find me an angry mob in W9 dedicated to hunting down Muslims and other undesirables I will certainly join it, although I may need to borrow a burning torch from somebody as the local Lebanese hardware shop is all out of KKK paraphenalia.

12 July 2006 at 21:06  
Anonymous Olly said...

Is Kaila related to Al-Amin?

12 July 2006 at 22:35  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Kaila,

The culture and the religion of an individual country need not be coterminous, but just as Protestant Christianity underpins the culture of this country, so does Hinduism in India, Islam in Turkey, Catholicism in France etc etc, whether or not all of the people living in that state adhere to the dominant religion. A Hindu raised in this country will have very much more in common with non-Hindus in the UK than say a Hindu growing up in Gujarat would have with British people, the point being that the majority culture inevitably shapes people.

Historians of civilizations have identified no more than a few dozen civilizations across all recorded history, and at the present time the only truly clear cut (and undisputed) civilizations are Western, Orthodox, Sinic, Hindu, Japanese, Latin American and Islamic. What all have in common is a religion or philosopy that underpins the culture of all the individual states that comprise that civilization.

12 July 2006 at 22:45  
Blogger wrinkled weasel said...

Croydonian has put the case far more eloquently (and succinctly) than I could.

I am reluctant to comment further, but as our host, the Archbishop Cranmer appears in all respects generous and respecting of considered opinion, may I humbly shew that; I thought long and hard about the term "faith culture". I do not think it is an oxymoron but accept it may be considered an antinomy in the Kantian sense.

We live in a society that is steeped in the results of Christian interaction with culture, but particularly in martyrdom. I have been thinking a lot about martyrdom recently and how it affects us today. Martyrdom represents the essence of belief. It is the supreme demonstration of being. It is a paradigm of committment to a moral absolute in the face of expediency, voyeurism and the mob.

You do not need to be a Christian, or a believer in anything to subscribe to this kind of action. However, whenever a politician resigns for noble causes (not very often) whenever someone refuses to do the dirty work or whenever someone blows the whistle, they are joining the ranks (albeit the lower ranks) of those who died for a cause.

This culture of martyrdom, either literal or metaphoric, is what makes British society what it is. We believe in fair play. We believe in the concept of deprivation for the greater good. And self-sacrifice. This is not, and never will be synonymous with self immolation or suicide bombing, favoured by Islamic extremists, which is merely a form of psychopathy dressed up in a specious "cause". It is the understanding that a course of action will lead to possibly unfavourable consequences, and the acceptance of those consequences to oneself.

This is one aspect that distinguishes us from current Middle Eastern thinking, which majors in the destruction of innocents in this respect, rather than personal discomfort.

That is what I am talking about when I use the term, "faith culture". That is what we are. It is debatable where this comes from I suppose, but I could build a strong case that it has its foundations in the birth of Christianity.

12 July 2006 at 23:46  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Quite excellent WW - comment of the week (at the bare minimum).

13 July 2006 at 00:13  
Anonymous Rick said...

In reply to Rick's 'Do Muslim's fun day include laughter':

Rick you take ignorance to a new level all by yourselve. I suggest you open your eyes wide enough before making such ridiculous comment. I suppose it sums you up in one sentence!!!


I see your inability to understand irony leads you to personal insult.

If it sums me up in one sentence that must reflect a binary mindset, may I take it you are Muslim ? Few other religions are quite so uncharitable about the human condition - I suppose now you will quote the Red Queen ?

13 July 2006 at 08:06  
Anonymous Rick said...

What all have in common is a religion or philosopy that underpins the culture of all the individual states that comprise that civilization.

Yes but in most cases does not oppress the minority religions in its midst nor deny them expression nor places of worship............then again the exceptions are glaring and monocultural in extremis.

13 July 2006 at 08:08  
Anonymous qwerty said...

prick, i mean rick, have you forgotten when you took personal offence to Al-Amin's comment about christianity?

13 July 2006 at 11:01  
Anonymous Kaila said...

Related to Al-Amin? How did you conclude that from just a few comments. In that case could you confirm whether Britain is related to America?

So yes phoney, English is not my mother tongue but looking at the average 'English' person, I am doing pretty well considering most of your beloved nation cannot speak their mother tongue.

Rick, don't break my stone heart. Yes I am a Muslim and proud to be. You can say whatever you want about Islam or whether i understand irony or not. Truth is your feeling insecure and afraid that you mere existence may no longer be present on the planet. Now that will be a sight not to miss!!!

Croydonian, you have managed to put a well argument and one which I can see where your coming from. However in certain situation it appears that when the idea has originated from culture, it is the religion that gets targeted.

I do agree with you, Cranmer, about the distiction being common in all cultures. However it does appear that there needs to be a clear distiction in this society.

13 July 2006 at 13:29  
Anonymous Kaila said...

Rick, why are you so defensive about Christianity yet you can easily insult other religion.........mainly Islam?

Phoney, did you not realise that an angry mob group already exists. It is known as 'USA' for Utlising Selfish Acts. I dont think there is a centre in W9 but you could always start one and take control....just like your fellows. Believe me its easier using a bit of uranium.......?

13 July 2006 at 13:50  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Phone cam foolery said -
"if you can find me an angry mob in W9 dedicated to hunting down Muslims and other undesirables I will certainly join it,"

Once again you (and Rick for that matter)are set on offending muslims. If there was such a stupid 'angry mob'what exactly would you hope to gain from 'hunting down Muslims'. Are you seriously not aware of the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion...
The number of Jews is dramatically falling (which is not due to a higher death rate) as they are converting to Islam, so even if you were to exterminate all the muslims in w9, there are always more converting every day...

13 July 2006 at 13:59  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Where on earth did you get this from?:

The number of Jews is dramatically falling (which is not due to a higher death rate) as they are converting to Islam

I have never heard / read anything of the sort, beyond Jemima Goldsmith-Khan. The reason why numbers of declared Jewish adherents in the UK is falling is primarily because of men marrying out, and hence having necessarily gentile children, with the act of making aliyah a secondary factor.

13 July 2006 at 14:15  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Jews converting to Islam????
hahhahahahahahh
what a heap of you know what, as Croydonian pointed out, jews only leave the tribe if they marry out and even then they are still in the club, Jews are not a race they are a community, even when they convert to Christianity they still define themselves as Jewish and why not!
Anway thanks for the laugh.

13 July 2006 at 14:59  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Kaila why is it that the Muslim world is so backward?
Arabic people used to highly creative and scientific, yes Ii know not all muslims are Arabs, but look at the state of them now.
Llet me help you with your answer, islam is all about submission, in effect fatalism, everything is in the hands of Allah so why bother doing anything, the result? the Islamic world is fly blown mess.

13 July 2006 at 15:06  
Blogger Croydonian said...

A bit of further digging turned up Jews for Allah, and they could not muster more than a handful of names.

Plus the organisation sounds like a Grateful Dead album.

13 July 2006 at 15:21  
Blogger Cranmer said...

For some reason, the 'Jews for Allah' above link does not work (Mr Al-Amin would be jubilant at this find).

Try or here:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/

13 July 2006 at 16:21  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

jews for Allah,
is that related to the
Turkeys for Christmas movement?

13 July 2006 at 16:22  
Anonymous Kaila said...

WOW, phoney you really can't get any worse. Arabs are in a state because you see money speaks several languages of which they have plenty off. Corruption has a habit of spreading from west to east, in my opinion anyway.

As for fatalism, Allah gives you choices all the time. It is these choices that cause your fate to change. whilst Allah knows your destiny, he gives you the ultimate control as human being. You cannot blame Allah for you wrongdoing.

Islam is not backwards, if anything it is forward. It is a way of life that is within the indiviuals. People from the western world (like you) fail to understand the real meaning behind the religion.

Every religion goes through a tough period. Look back into history, people of all creed and colour have been persecuted. Do remind the occurrence of horrfic events in the 15th century of Christianity? Where they not strict on their women, the jobs they could do. The west seems so quick to attack Islam on how women are treated so bad yet we are in the 21st century, in a civilised country (so they say) and yet sexism is clearly visible.

croydonian, I wasn't aware that when jews convert to Islam they informed you? Is this part of a new legislation?

Higher death rate does have a particular ring to it, I must admit. Maybe then there will be peace

13 July 2006 at 17:24  
Anonymous Alfred of Wessex said...

Kaila 5:24 PM. Whose higher death rate had you in mind? Ours perhaps? English people really do not like being patronised in their own country. Nor, despite the moral, spiritual and intellectual bakruptcy of our humanist leaders, are we all cowed by political correctness. The blunt truth is that Western Civilisation and radical Islam cannot co-exist peacefully. The only peace we can expect from your dear friends who agitate for an Islamic Caliphate are either the slavery of dhimmitude, or the sleep of death. The sooner the majority population of this country wake up to this fact the better.

By the way, the Greek word 'martyr' means 'witness' in English. It means one who by their life and testimony bears witness to the Truth of Who Jesus Is, even if it means having to die rather than renounce that faith.
That is why countless Christians from Stephen onwards have chosen to die rather than renounce their faith. It never means killing anyone else. That is why we find the term 'martyr' as applied to one who blows themselves up in order to kill others so offensive.

13 July 2006 at 18:02  
Anonymous Rick said...

Truth is your feeling insecure and afraid that you mere existence may no longer be present on the planet. Now that will be a sight not to miss!!!

So I am feeling insecure am I Kaila ? funny that you must have a very strange computer, I suggest you clean the viruses out rather than life under such delusions.

Christianity is a branch of Judaism and as such the One True Faith. You can remember that and it will free you from the grip of paranoid delusion which has led you astray and away from The Light.

It is clear that you lack insight into the foundation of Civilisation and have been given only the second-best in life, that is to be anticipated and is unfortunately the fate of many in the world.

With Faith and determination you may well come to Revelation - Saul of Tarsus managed to do so and i am sure with God's Grave you too may be brought into The Light and away from The Darkness.

13 July 2006 at 19:21  
Anonymous Rick said...

Islam is not backwards, if anything it is forward

Yes you are hurtling away from us at an increasing rate back to your future-past.

13 July 2006 at 19:22  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Croydonian said –
“Where on earth did you get this from?”

Firstly, I think I know my own religion well enough to know about the increasing number of converts (or should I say reverts) embracing Islam.

Secondly, just because every Jew has not informed you personally of their conversion to Islam, it does not mean that it does not happen.

Thirdly, I realise you are struggling with your research. Try these sites –
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP43102
http://www.muhajabah.com/jewsforallah.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/salafi/jewishconvertyousefalkhattab.htm
http://jews-for-allah.org/Jewish-Converts-to-Islam/

This is an example of one of the profuse lists of Jews converting to Islam. Despite the Israeli-Arab political conflict, more and more Jews are converting to Islam. Some of the notable Jews include the following:
Isa Adam Naziri; Moshe; Muhammad Daniel; Hasan of Yard Al-Mukaddasa; former Moroccan rabbi, Abdul Haqq Al-Islami; Dr. Moustafa Mould; Rachel Singer; Rabbi of Makhachkala; Haj Mustafa Ali; Suleyman Ahmad; Jemima Goldsmith; Maryam Jameelah; Michelle; Kari Ann Owen; Emad-Ud-Deen; Michael Wolfe; Muhammad Asad; Shabbtai Zvi and Abdullah Ibn Sailam, Shabbetai Tzevi, Yousef al-Khattab, Mohamid al Mahdi, Amalia Rehman, William, Michael David Shapiro, Yiddishe Muslimah, Yousef al Khatab, Qamar al Khattab (Luna "Melul" Cohen), Abdel Rahman al Khattab (Rahamim Cohen), Hesibeh al Khattab, Abdel Aziz al Khattab (Ezra Cohen), Abdullah al Khattab (Ovadia Cohen), Mohammed Ben Zerroda, Josh Hasan, Adam Wolfer, Ali ibn Sahl , Aisha, Samau'al al-Maghribi, Abd al-Haqq Islami, Ka`b al-Ahbar, Rashid al-Din, Ibn Kammuna, Sayed Udeen, Mohammed Yusuf, Sind b. ‘Ali, Muhammad (Abu Abdullah) Samuels, Hudhayfa b. al-Yaman, `Ammar b. Yasir, Abu Malik `Abdallah b. Sam of Kinda, Michelle, Isa Adam Naziri, Founder of Al Azhar, Hasan from Yard Al Mukaddasa, Former Rabbi convert to Islam from Morocco, Fouad, Suleyman Ahmad, Abdullah Ibn Sailam.
The following Hadith (traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, Peace be upon him.) acts as an example of Jews historically converting to Islam.
"Safwan Ibn Assal relates that a Jew asked his fellow to take him to the Prophet (peace be upon him), and when they came to him they inquired from him about the nine clear signs (as stated in the Qur'an 17:101) 'after stating them, they kissed his hands and feet and said: We bear witness that you are a Prophet.' (The Compilation of traditions by Al-Tirmidhi)."
In addition to my previous comment, I would like to point out that Islam ranks as the fastest growing faith. Worldwide, the number of Muslims has doubled since 1970 to 1.2 billion adherents. Projections put the growth of Islam at roughly 2 billion adherents by 2025 out of a projected world population of 8 billion.

In a recent poll in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.

13 July 2006 at 19:55  
Anonymous Kaila said...

Alfred, is it possible for English people to feel patronised? i thought they could only do the 'doing' rather then feeling. In fact English people did not come to my mind when I made the comment. Obviously I did not make the comment clear enough. I thought many of you would understand.......but hey my mistake.

'Western Civilisation and radical Islam cannot co-exist peacefully'- completley agreed with!! But why is it that Islam on general terms has become a threat. Does radical Christianity not exist? What would you call the last three decades in Ireland............tea partying and having fun...?

P-rick, I am under no delusions watsoever. Boy, do you get led easily. I can ensure that I have not settled for second-best. What Islam can provide, no religion comes close. You talk about civilisation...........remind me where it started because it wasn't in the west. Just because you have rights for practically anything does not make you civilised. You have learnt everything from the rest of the world. The only decent aspect of English culture is Shakespeare and even that some differ. As for culture.........get trashed and eat chips 4eva.

13 July 2006 at 20:03  
Anonymous Kaila said...

personally i would keep as much distance from you as possible. Pluto would be too close.

PS. Not an insult to English/Christians, just those who are alike our beloved P-rick!!!

13 July 2006 at 20:12  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Phone fooley said –
“why is it that the Muslim world is so backward?”
I know that this comment was directed at Kaila, but oh well. I truly did not think you would continue to be racist towards Muslims. (You must be feeling threatened by the rise in converts to Islam.)

“Everything is in the hands of Allah so why bother doing anything,”
Now I can thank you for making me laugh. It is true that everything is in the hands of Allah, although we can do as we please through the magic of free will, with Allah knowing the result.

“the Islamic world is fly blown mess.”
Fooley, I don’t think your phrase makes sense.
Anyway, I suppose the world you live in is perfect…
Thank YOU for making me laugh.

13 July 2006 at 20:21  
Anonymous Kaila said...

phoney looks like Miss.Dot has put you back into your pram!! Now I will put your dummy in your mouth.

Your damn right racist. You have absolutley nothing to be proud off. I take it your English? Well where do you want me to start? You just invade countries and steal their rocks, drink beer, commit atrocious crimes, a fashion for divorce, full of foul and before i forget full of idiots like YOU!

13 July 2006 at 20:29  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Kaila said -
"As for culture.........get trashed and eat chips 4eva."

I agree with everything you said although I would like to add that the english culture is probably under threat... I think you should have said get trashed and eat curry 4eva, since curry is now the most popular food in the UK...

13 July 2006 at 20:29  
Anonymous Kaila said...

You know what I didn't even think of that..

P-rick will you tell me where curry originated from since I lack insight and understading.

I take it that I'm younger than you and haven't gained the superior knowledge of the world like you. You fail to amaze me!!

13 July 2006 at 20:47  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Kaila if you hate us so much why don't you just fuck off and live with your own kind?

oops if you did you would be knee deep in sewage and pestilence, rather than benefiting from a north European Christian culture.

13 July 2006 at 21:37  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Children, children, children, there is no need at all for any unpleasantness. Cranmer upholds and promotes the virtues of free speech, but he is notoriously intolerant of contributions that belong on the blogs of those with a mental capacity of the aquatic protozoan.

Accordingly, Miss Kaila and Miss Dot will raise the level of their intellectual input, or run along to pester someone else.

Thanks awfully.

13 July 2006 at 22:05  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

well said ArchBishop (+:
More tea?
And Kaila , yes we Brits do have a habit of marching into other peoples countries bayonets fixed and the better informed natives are usually damned grateful for the order and decency we bring with us, as they should be.

14 July 2006 at 00:01  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Miss Dot, a list of 60 odd people hardly makes for a landslide movement from Judaism to Islam, does it? Naturally any organisation loves it when it receives converts - be it a religion, a political party or whatever - and then makes a great deal of noise about it, but in order for your claim to rise above the anecdotal and to have anything approaching statistical significance or validity, some actual figures might be rather more helpful. Ergo, my point stands.

14 July 2006 at 00:32  
Anonymous Rick said...

commit atrocious crimes, a fashion for divorce

Well it gives the poor girl more chance than suttee ever did !

14 July 2006 at 09:26  
Anonymous Rick said...

BTW - how goes Muslim divorce ?

divorce declarations made using cellular phone short message service are not permissible in Malaysia, although they are acceptable under Shari'ah (Islamic) law.

Divorce declarations through SMS have received the green light from religious authorities in the United Arab Emirates and Singapore.


Traditionally in Islam, divorce declarations must be in the presence of the wife so that the male is made to utter the words "I divorce you" in front of two witnesses and in the wife's presence. The man has to then prove the utterance in court.


How terribly complex Western lawyers make it al !!!! LOL

14 July 2006 at 09:28  
Anonymous Rick said...

You talk about civilisation...........remind me where it started

Not clear....China thinks they started it......but as you know what they called civilisationis now considered barbarism - what's your perspective looks out from the 7th Century Anno Domini ?

14 July 2006 at 09:31  
Anonymous person said...

Phoney said...Kaila if you hate us so much why don't you just fuck off and live with your own kind?

oh come on phoney...no need to get al worked up and let's not forget that Brits are the ones who invited us over. Now you must... SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!!

14 July 2006 at 10:25  
Anonymous person said...

rick said...Christianity is a branch of Judaism and as such the One True Faith.

it's funny p-rick how you can go around licking the jews butts considering they despise you christians so much.

14 July 2006 at 10:30  
Anonymous Miss Dot said...

Croydonian, how many times must I stress the same point?

I REPEAT JUST BECAUSE EVERY JEW THAT HAS EVER CONVERTED(REVERTED) TO ISLAM HAS NOT INFORMED YOU, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

"Miss Dot, a list of 60 odd people hardly makes for a landslide movement from Judaism to Islam, does it?"
Did you actually count all the names?!!!! That was merely a very SHORT list of the numerous Jews converting (reverting) to Islam.
ERGO,MY POINT STANDS.

"some actual figures might be rather more helpful."
Croydonian, I cannot do all the research for you........
Use your initiative......

14 July 2006 at 11:01  
Blogger Croydonian said...

I don't dispute that some Jews have converted to Islam, just as some Muslims have converted to Judaism. However, your initial claim - "The number of Jews is dramatically falling (which is not due to a higher death rate) as they are converting to Islam, so even if you were to exterminate all the muslims in w9, there are always more converting every day..." - requires a rather more serious attempt to provide evidence - particularly in a UK context - than doing a cut and paste job list of 60 odd people.

To quote Hume: "If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning, concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion".

14 July 2006 at 11:15  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Miss Kaila,

I have deleted your last comment, which was offensive. This is my final polite request that you either exercise your brain cell, or run along elsewhere. If you opt for neither, your IP address will be barred from contributing anything to this august blog for the intelligent and erudite.

I trust this is clear. Arabic translations can be arranged.

14 July 2006 at 11:29  
Anonymous person said...

No offence Mr Cranmer, but whatever comment Kaila made... I'm sure it wasn't as offensive as what your buddy phoney had stated. arn't you being a little biased?

14 July 2006 at 12:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's not forget that Brits are the ones who invited us over.

Really ? Name them.

14 July 2006 at 12:56  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Anon 12:56 you make a good point
The people of this country have never been consulted as to whether or not we wished to be invaded by alien cultures and races, I have a sneaky suspicion that given the choice the answer would have been a resounding no.
So dont get so cocky, we are still the majority and Ii have afeeling one day your kind are going to get a little reminder as to what white Christains are capabable of.
On that note you are now ignored , and Cranmer I apologise for posting a profanity on your site.

14 July 2006 at 13:12  
Anonymous Kaila said...

Yes Cranmer it is clear and no I do not need Arabic translation. It is quite funny you think all Muslims speak or require Arabic. Just because English people only speak one language.....that doesn't mean where all the same. Makes us very different......again.

But you are not making a fair ref as you have not deleted phoney's comment. Hardly fair? I didn't require such horrific langauge. What's the matter phoney, did i touch a nerve? or is it a bundle in your case?

Phoney, it would be a pleasure to f-off. You wouldn't reach my standards anyway, good luck at researching OFF.

Who needs marriage and divorce
when you can go around the block a million times. P-rick having first hand experience will do him some good in the future.

Western lawyers make divorce procedures simple as they occur far too often. Is it a wonder why society is deteriorating when there is no family basis at all?

14 July 2006 at 13:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bile.....bile.....bile............kaila said.........bile........bile.......bile

14 July 2006 at 14:01  
Anonymous person said...

AONONYMOUS SAID...Really ? Name them.
well, why don't you go and ask your governmnet whom you've picked as your REPRESENTATIVES, but can't seem to fulfill your needs. why don't you ask them who invited these 'alien cultures and races' in the first place?

14 July 2006 at 14:39  
Anonymous I'M SPARTACUS said...

fone cam foolery:
maybe it's about time you took out a gcse history book and turned to the pages about 'the industrial revolution' then perhaps you'll realise how 'white christians' persuaded people from the west indies and parts of asia to rebuild their country under false pretence that they will live a better life. despite the celts, the british race is made up of the anglo saxons from scandanavia the normans from france and the romans from italy, so intergration of 'alien cultures' is hardly 'alien' to british society. so perhaps you should reconsider your racist remarks.

14 July 2006 at 15:08  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

spartacus
What is your point?
British people are indeed a mix, I myself am part Dutch part celt, I am a white,nominaly Christian Northern European, I have little in common with Africans or Asians and have no desire to live amongst them, they have been foisted upon my country without consent, why does that make me a rascist?
I dont hate them, I just have no desire to be around large numbers of them other than on holiday.

14 July 2006 at 15:57  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Ps
Dont you presume to tell me what to think you clown

14 July 2006 at 15:58  
Blogger Cranmer said...

I see this thread is struggling to reach the higher planes of erudition.

Cranmer feared this may happen the moment he juxtaposed theology with theme parks.

Mr Person,

The comment I deleted contained nothing but a crude and offensive instruction. There was no intelligent content at all. Whilst I did not agree with the manner in which Mr Phone Cam Foolery expressed himself, his point is lucid, and his intellectual capacity appears to be considerably greater than Kaila's. In addition, he is a genial chap (and, incidentally, apologised).

Miss Kaila,

If you have something intelligent to say, please say it. I have yet to see any evidence of cerebral exercise. If this is beyond you, please run along, there's a good little girl.

14 July 2006 at 16:14  
Anonymous Rick said...

gcse history book and turned to the pages about 'the industrial revolution' then perhaps you'll realise how 'white christians' persuaded people from the west indies

That is the funniest indictment of GCSE I have ever heard !!!

The Industrial Revolution began c 1750 and the first wave ended in 1830 - little children worked 16 hour days in the mills - we didn't need foreign labour until 1952 when Parliament stopped women working night-shifts in mills. They should have brought labour from Portugal or Brasil or simply bought more machines from Sulzer.

Anyway, if they teach such gibberish at GCSE no wonder you are confused...............try a 1977 O'Level and stretch yourself to 2006 Degree Standard

14 July 2006 at 16:56  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Phone fool said -
"Kaila if you hate us so much why don't you just fuck off and live with your own kind?"
Cranmer, why is that phone fool gets away with writing this comment, whilst you delete Kaila's response???? You said that there was 'no intelligent content' in Kaila's comment, but I fail to see the intelligent content in Phone fool's comment, yet his comment remains, whilst Kaila's is deleted. Is it thus okay to swear at others when you can think of nothing else to say, and then apologise?

"Accordingly, Miss Kaila and Miss Dot will raise the level of their intellectual input, or run along to pester someone else."

Are you illustrating double standards here Cranmer? Is it one thing for all the males on this blog and another for the females? Or, is it about the difference in religion?
Do you truly think that the comments of Rick and Phone fool have been intelligent? Other than annoying muslims they have done little else.
Do you only threaten to ban the IP addresses of those who do not hold the same views as the majority of people here?

I'm glad you are dead.

14 July 2006 at 17:41  
Anonymous I'M SPARTACUS said...

P-rick, you truly are ancient, fancy dates don't change the fact that people were lured into the uk and are now being rejected

and as for plain phone foolish, maybe if you opened your mind, you would find you have some things in common with the africans/asians, or maybe it is just the colour of their skin?

14 July 2006 at 18:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fancy dates don't change the fact that people were lured into the uk and are now being rejected

Happens to us all sunshine - that's life and they pay you while they want you - after that it's time to pack up and move

14 July 2006 at 18:16  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Lol anon
dot
sparatcus
person
kaila
If you need help with the price of your one way ticket I would be delighted to make a donation, do you have paypal?

14 July 2006 at 18:48  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Anonymous said -
"Happens to us all sunshine - that's life and they pay you while they want you - after that it's time to pack up and move"

Life doesn't work that way though. The government does not have a problem with the ethnic minorities in the UK, Infact they encourage multi-culturalism and race relations, with the Race Equality Unit being set up precisely to highlight that ethnic differences should be allowed to flourish. So, whats your problem??? You don't just use people when you need to rebuild your economy and then tell them to shift when your economically stable.....

14 July 2006 at 19:03  
Anonymous Kaila said...

WOW, there I was thinking this was an intellectual blog wherby you can view your opinion freely. Hardly intellectual if the likes of phoney are involved.

If all we can do is cause an insult to each other and go off the topic then doesn't that make us all the same. WE do not want a one way tickedt epecially if it is from you phoney because it probably involve corruption at this best.

Ethnic minorities have helped the economy of this country greatly. One thing I must exphasise is that we do not like to sit on the dole. It is not our style.

Cranmer-do I have to apolgise in order to gain intellectual capacity? I like to think by myself and do not require the presence of others to 'big me up'.

14 July 2006 at 19:18  
Anonymous Rick said...

You don't just use people when you need to rebuild your economy and then tell them to shift when your economically stable.....

You employ people while you need them and fire them when you don't. That is the way the world works..............or are you so deep in the public sector that you don't know how economies work ?

14 July 2006 at 19:41  
Anonymous Rick said...

Ethnic minorities have helped the economy of this country greatly.

Oh yes........but not quite so much as the Huguenots or the Saxons.........so get in line when the medals are handed out

14 July 2006 at 19:43  
Anonymous Rick said...

when you need to rebuild your economy and then tell them to shift when your economically stable.....

When this country is "economically stable" we'll all be pushing up daisies.....and anyone who believes any of the rubbish this government spouts must really be gullible

14 July 2006 at 19:44  
Anonymous miss dot said...

Rick said -
You employ people when you need them and fire them when you dont

By my earlier comment, i meant that you do not use incentives to draw ethnic minorities into the country to fill up labour shortages, promising them a better life and then reject them because they are better than you will ever be.

17 July 2006 at 09:50  
Anonymous Rick said...

i meant that you do not use incentives to draw ethnic minorities into the country to fill up labour shortages, promising them a better life and then reject them because they are better than you will ever be.

I never have, nor has anyone done so in my name. People came to my country against my wishes to exploit it economically for their own ends.

17 July 2006 at 12:23  
Anonymous Kaila said...

'but not quite so much as the Huguenots or the Saxons.........'

Well obviously, they had a lot more power and were the majority. It is the majority that has the greater impact whereas 'you' think that you cannot survive without the impact the minority makes. Whether you can or not........we will see in the future. Keep on discriminating and you soon will find out.

18 July 2006 at 20:40  
Anonymous Rick said...

Well obviously, they had a lot more power and were the majority.

Your history is very deficient - clearly a product of a Comprehensive Ignorance Factory (CIF) - Huguenots were never a majority in England; nor were Saxons, frankly nor were Normans.

Maybe you should start reading up on the history of this country and correct the defects in your Comprehensive Indoctrination.

19 July 2006 at 07:26  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Figures I've seen suggest that my Huguenot ancestors added maybe 50,000 to the then population of 5 million, while the Saxons, Angles and Jutes only amounted to between 1 in 10 and 1 in 20 of the population circa AD 400.

19 July 2006 at 11:06  
Anonymous Rick said...

Most Saxons however remained in Saxony where they built a highly-developed economy.

19 July 2006 at 12:04  
Anonymous Rick said...

This Spiegel report casts an intersting light on matters

http://tinyurl.com/oqc52

19 July 2006 at 13:08  
Blogger Croydonian said...

Rick, there's a similar tale on the BBC site and elsewhere, for we unfortunates with German O levels older than we were when we sat them.

19 July 2006 at 13:31  
Anonymous Rick said...

I think it is the same story because Spiegel mentions BBC and someone called Thomas

19 July 2006 at 14:00  
Blogger Opinionated Youth said...

this blog is anything but impartial. cranmer hahaha u crack me up man, ur a racist bigot, it seems everyone is afraid of muslims, but i suppose you should be because after all it is the fastest growing religion in the world. Muslims are used to being hated anyway, and as far as i am concerned there are more muslims willing to put their lives on the line for their religion than any other people following a religion (e.g. christians, jews etc.) if the jews were so courageous why didnt they fight back when they were being persecuted? Muslims may fight back through terrorist groups but sometimes this is the only way when no one is willing to listen to you and diplomacy fails. All you kafirs be afraid....be very afraid...

26 July 2006 at 00:59  
Anonymous miss dot said...

"because after all it is the fastest growing religion in the world."

Thank you, that's what I said!!!

26 July 2006 at 11:47  
Blogger Croydonian said...

OY - you might care to read about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising as an example of Jewish resistance.

28 July 2006 at 19:42  
Blogger Cranmer said...

It is confirmed today (2nd August in the Year of our Lord 2006) that the Muslim Day at Alton Towers has been cancelled due to 'lack of interest'.

Alton Towers calls off "Muslim Fun Day"

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's biggest theme park has called off the country's first "National Muslim Fun Day" because of lack of interest, the park said on Wednesday.

Alton Towers in Staffordshire was to open on September 17 for Muslims -- with halal food, a strict dress code and prayer areas.

Music, gambling and alcohol were to be banned for the day and theme park rides such as "Ripsaw", "Corkscrew" and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" all segregated by sex.

But the park said the event's organisers, Islamic Leisure, who rented the park for the day and were marketing the event, had called it off due to "insufficient ticket sales".

"Alton Towers is disappointed that the planned Family Fun Day on Sunday 17th September has had to be cancelled," the park said in a statement. A park spokeswoman said Islamic Leisure would refund those who bought tickets.

Islamic Leisure's phones were not being answered on Wednesday.

Organisers had hoped to fill a niche for Britain's 1.7 million Muslims, some of whom may be uncomfortable with mainstream entertainment.

But the fun day had caused some consternation: a non-Muslim couple scheduled to hold their wedding at the park's hotel complained to newspapers that event organisers told them the bride and female guests would have to cover up.

The park promised the party would be exempt from the rules. A park spokeswoman said the wedding would take place as planned.


This article: http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1122142006

Cranmer will permit a 'Hallelujah!' or a 'Praise the Lord!'

2 August 2006 at 19:36  
Blogger Croydonian said...

It would be very hard not to crack a smile, under the circumstances.

(Priceless verifcation code for this, by the way - 'hjabb'. Yes, really)

4 August 2006 at 00:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Must have been a sign from Allah?

:o)

4 August 2006 at 09:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Opinionated youth:

[[[All you kafirs be afraid....be very afraid...]]]

Thank you! Believe me, I am afraid, very afraid. But converting to your religious cult of hate, I am not.
Thanks, but no thanks. I like my cold beer, my pork sandwiches, our un-burkahed women, and free speech. As long as there is a chance, I want to defend that.

16 August 2006 at 14:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

[[[It is confirmed today (2nd August in the Year of our Lord 2006) that the Muslim Day at Alton Towers has been cancelled due to 'lack of interest'.]]]

I guess "muslim" and "fun" does not go that well together, after all....
:-)

16 August 2006 at 15:51  
Anonymous scrunchled squirrel said...

OY,

Please don't think that you are anything other than a worrysome nonce if you believe that terrorism is Ever justified.

Cranmer,

I would urge you to let yourself be drawn on OY's gauntlet throwdown and justify yourself to the outcasts of this discussion (kaila and miss dot) about your discrimination regarding their contributions and phone cam's.

You suggest that his post while using offensive language was also adding something to the discussion?:

"phone cam foolery said...
Kaila if you hate us so much why don't you just fuck off and live with your own kind?

oops if you did you would be knee deep in sewage and pestilence, rather than benefiting from a north European Christian culture."

Explain to me which part was anything other that a vicious and racist personal attack? Also, just wondering, when is speaking in the 3rd person not pretentious? 'Cause I can't tell you see.

And for the second part of my post, the part that doesn't concern itself with picking over past comments - Hallelujah, the muslim day is cancelled!

Please note that the forthcoming gaydar days at TP and AT are Very unlikely to suffer the same fate - we gays don't impose ridiculous restrictions and we do know how to have fun! I suspect we also play better with others than the muslim community?

4 September 2006 at 01:34  

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