Friday, August 11, 2006

Mohammed – prophet of doom?


As the UK begins to comprehend the scale of the terrorist catastrophe that almost befell it, with (so far) 24 young men arrested, all British born, all Muslim (some converts), it is worth considering the source of their inspiration.

The vast majority of Muslims in the UK are congenial and peaceable. They would quote from the Qur’an passages like Surah 2:190: ‘Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but do not begin hostilities, for God does not love aggressors’. The problem is, there are many others who prefer 'martydom', possibly 1000 in the UK, and Cranmer would like to point out that those who use this surah to insist that Islam means 'peace' are quoting out of context. This passage is from the sixth year of the Hijrah, when the Muslims were a strong and influential community, but not supreme. Mohammed ordered them to defend themselves against Meccan attacks, but not be aggressors because they had a treaty. Many of them were exiles from Mecca, where the Pagans had established an intolerant autocracy, persecuting Muslims. When they tried to assert their rights, the result was bloodshed. This surah was therefore concerned with a specific period of self-preservation; it is not a blanket command regarding all acts of violence. Being bound by context in time and space, there are many who do not consider it to be an eternal injunction.

Mohammed used what today would be termed 'murder', 'aggression', and 'terrorism' in order to propagate his beliefs and spread his ideology. (Quran 8.17; 33.26; 8.67). He raided towns without warning, killed unarmed men who had gone to the fields and markets on their daily business, captured their wives and children, and is said to have distributed the younger women among his soldiers while always keeping the prettiest ones for himself and having sex with them in the same day he murdered their fathers, husbands and loved ones. These are not fables and neither are they the bigoted musings of those who may be termed 'Islamophobe', but it is history as recorded in the Qur’an and the Hadith. This is the biography of the 'prophet’ who sets the example for today’s Muslim youth, for many are taught by unenlightened imams for whom this Mohammed is considered the template for perfect manhood.

Political Islam (or 'Islamism') demands the use of terrorism because it is intrinsic to its ideology. They are fused and inseparable. Islamism is the terrorist; Muslims are the victims. But the assumption that by appeasement the Islamists can be persuaded to accommodate Western values is a delusion. The two systems are antithetical: they cannot co-exist; one must give way to the other.

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Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Final two paragraphs of your lead article, wholly correct. You are right on target Cranmer! Bullseye!

The following is an excerpt from an interview with British MP George Galloway, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on August 8, 2006

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"You know, I don't want to embarrass any particular Arab ruler, but once I spoke to a prince. I told him there were three British newspapers on sale for 100 million pounds - The Daily Express, The Sunday Express, and The Daily Star. Three important newspapers. 'Why don't you buy them,' I said. 'You could make a foothold for a decent point of view on the Arab world, if you were to buy these newspapers.' He could have bought them, but he didn't have the courage to buy them. He'd rather spend the money on other things. You know, in London, there is enough money thrown onto the roulette tables of London's casinos by Arabs, which could buy media in America and Britain, and transform the landscape. But I tell you, the good news is this: In the desert, just a few drops of water can transform the landscape. All we need is a few drops of water, because the American and British people have no faith, no trust, in their leaders. They know that the policy of their leaders is leading them to disaster. We need to intelligently apply the resources that we have, and people can contact me, to my e-mail, through my website, georgegalloway.com. I have many ideas on how we can do this. I just don't have any money."
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Whole interview can be viewed via: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1228

11 August 2006 at 10:21  
Anonymous Rick said...

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,431229,00.html

Cardinal Nasrallah Sfeir fears Christians will leave Lebanon forever with Iran and Syria using Lebanon as a satrapy in a proxy war and Hezbollah effectively taking over the country.

11 August 2006 at 11:30  
Anonymous Rick said...

I invite you to consider General Gordon known as "Chinese" Gordon, a devout Christian. A portrait of him on the steps in Khartoum hangs today in Leeds City Art Gallery...........he was murdered in 1885...........

the reformist movement which began in 1881 around the figure of Muhammad Ahmad, who proclaimed himself Al Mahdi al Muntazar ("the awaited guide in the right path," usually seen as the Mahdi) and led a revolt against the Ottoman rulers in the Sudan. He was sent, he said, to prepare the way for the second coming of the Prophet Isa (Jesus) and the impending end of the world. In anticipation of Judgment Day, it was essential that the people return to a simple, rigorous, and even puritanical Islam.

Most Westerners learn about this revolt as being staged against western Christian rulers, probably because of how British general Charles George Gordon died in Khartoum in 1885 after a year-long siege by the Mahdi's forces. And it is true that the Mahdi moved against western influences; but what most people miss is that his movement was originally aimed against the ostensibly Muslim rulers of Sudan.

Like so many extremist movements in modern Islam, the Mahdi objected that the country's leaders were no longer "real" Muslims, and hence no longer had any right to rule. Thus he proclaimed a jihad against the Ottoman rulers of the time.

The Westerners were drawn into the conflict partly because they were accused of supporting the apostate leaders as part of a deliberate effort to undermine and eventually destroy "real" Islam. This can be seen in how the Mahdi advocated eliminating various "un-Islamic" reforms which had taken hold in Sudan, for example the relative freedom accorded to women.

By 1885, his followers had defeated the ruling powers, captured Khartoum, and established a Muslim state controlling most of present-day Sudan. However, the Mahdi died a short time later, and his successors failed to eliminate the corruption that had plagued the previous regime. British forces were later able to recapture Sudan in 1898.


http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_mahdi.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad

11 August 2006 at 11:45  
Blogger Thomas Fuller said...

What I can't understand is that in 1939 Britain went to war to stop unpleasant foreigners from invading our country and destroying our way of life. In 2006 the government does nothing -- literally, for there are no effective border controls -- to stop them. Indeed, the Muslim vote is courted at every opportunity by New Labour.

Can someone please enlighten me?

11 August 2006 at 11:49  
Anonymous Rick said...

Mr Fuller, Britain went to war in 1939 to preserve Poland and preserve a balance of power in Europe. Invasion was not threatened before 1940 when Belgium surrendered and exposed Antwerp.

Feeling Britain had survived the war the politicians and Civil Service looked for a new challenge. When we decided to get out of India we passed a law in 1947 in which Section I created the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ion the territory of India. There was a disputed area called Kashmir.

When the Working Hours legislation in 1955 (?) stopped women working night-shift, cheap labour was imported from villages in Kashmir o keep the textile mills - Cotton in Lancashire; Worsted in Yorkshire - going.

This was a brilliant move - Portugal, Brasil, Chile could have provided cheap labour - but Kashmir was a place being fought over by Pakistan and India so why not import them

Since British women are unable to reproduce on a significant scale the demographics of many cities in Britain has changed as those without economic prospects have enjoyed large families and are the first group to settle in Britain ever - that had the ability to visit their country of origin regularly.

Thus large parts of village life in British cities are closely integrated with village life in Kashmir in a way wholly invisible to most British people, who are clueless that they have brought Kashmiri politics into England and clan loyalities and obligations.

11 August 2006 at 11:59  
Anonymous grumpydoc said...

Your Grace,

As I have written elsewhere:

"At some point the usual platitiudes will be served up to us by the Left, the BBC and Muslim ‘community leaders’: these people ‘are not true Muslims’ or that ‘Islam is a religion of peace’. To both all one can say is “Rubbish!”

"It will become apparent that these alleged terrorists — if anything — are too religious, probably devout Muslims well-versed in the Koran and respected by their peers. It will be apparent that with increasing Islamic religiosity comes increasing fundamentalism and a propensity to terrorism. These suspects will be found to have considered themselves as devout Muslims and who are we to disagree?

"Islam means submission, not peace, and is the common thread in all major terrorist atrocities of the last few years yet we will see politicians and ‘community leaders’ urging restraint and tolerance upon our indiginous population: it’s not us who need to be tolerant and restrained."

11 August 2006 at 13:12  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Rick
I have had the misfortune to drive around some of those northern textile city hell holes when visiting on business.
Turn down a back street in bradford or Blackburn and you are in a foreign country, golden minarets, people squatting in the streets, english a foreign tongue, and hostile stares for anybody with a white face.
This country has been destroyed, there is no recovery, like gangrene it has crept up on us, and who is responsible?
Why the usual suspects, Marxists.
And now the Australians are fighting the enemy within as they try to establish holding islands for asylum seekers opposed as usual by the left.

11 August 2006 at 13:18  
Anonymous Rick said...

, probably devout Muslims well-versed in the Koran and respected by their peers.

Yes but their devotion consists of learning passages by rote and recitation and chanting thereof.

It is not a cerebral appreciation nor is it theologically bases so much as being a sloganised political dogma

11 August 2006 at 13:18  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Your Grace,
I expect we shall presently have to endure multiple pronouncements by New Labourite politicoes to the effect that Islam is the religion of peace. But as nearly all Muslims would unequivocally agree-Islam is indeed the religion of peace in times of peace... but more importantly the religion of war in times of war. And many of them have decided that now is a time of war. The western world fails to grasp this distinction at its peril.
At times like the present, one can't help asking why the vast majority of (apparently peace-loving) Muslims fail to stand up and engage in a comprehensive and organized effort to fight the jihad ideology??? Where's the sense of outrage against a violent fascistic tendency within their own community? Where are the anti-jihadist marches, demonstrations and so on?? The silence is deafening.

11 August 2006 at 13:28  
Anonymous Amo said...

This is not Islam, and murder is forbidden. Islam means submission, yes, but to the purposes of God and the teachings of the Prophet (pbuh). Context is important Cranmer, but theologians who can expound this sort of critical method are only just emerging in Islam. You have the benefit of centuries, though you yourself were 'martyred' by people who professed Christianity and killed you.

It is right to distinuigish between political Islam and the noble faith which inspires devotion. GC is right that there aren't many Muslims who condemn these acts (or plans), but that's because the evidence isn't always there. All we've heard so far is media reports, and the 'word' and suspicions of the Prime Minister, and we all know what they are worth after his delusions of WMD in Iraq.

I suggest we wait for the proof. With 24 arrests, there should be loads of it. And then we'll see what those who are placed in some authority for Islam say.

11 August 2006 at 14:20  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

thomas fuller ... New Labour is of course a marketing ploy. The party is chock full of unreformed Marxists and Trotskiists (as you may well, or should, already know).

If you want to be enlightened, then read all about Antonio Gramsci. It is his teachings / strategy that are being followed by New Labour apparatchiks when our borders are left open. That is why so many white British women date Blacks ... they are making a Marxist political statement, not just a sexual one. Communist manifesto says: the ends justify the means.

Their ultimate desire is obtain totalitarian control over Britain. The same thing is going on in Brussels; which is as good a reason I know for withdrawing from it.

Unregulated immigration is simply a Gramscian tool used to subvert your, mine, and our culture. This is one reason why the crime of racism (which of course we should have laughed out of court two decades ago) is so high on their hit list.

It's quite simple really. But, millions of people somehow prefer to follow their delusions instead of learning the readily available truth, which would allow them to live free and strong. You can never reason with Muslims, Communists, and Fascists: instead you must destroy them.

I have given up believing the democratic process will clear up the complex mess we are in. If the British people ever wake up from their dreamworld of revelry and hedonism, then there will be a bloodbath in some areas of Britain. A clear out and a strong re-assertion of Anglo-Saxon & Celtic authority is what is needed. In the end, people get what they deserve ... so be it.

11 August 2006 at 15:00  
Blogger Deep Stoat said...

Could not agree more. I have written about this myself.

www.deepstoat.blogspot.com

Islam is a murderous cult. It has no place in our society.

Pity the morons in the mass media are so stupid, so utterly obessed with political correctness and multiculturalism that they no longer report the facts.

11 August 2006 at 15:02  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Amo, you are about the ten thousanth Muslim to cry ... "This is not Islam!" Mmmm ... must be my eyes, ears and grey matter misleading me then, yeah?

But, it is Islam. Of course it is. It always is, from the Philippines to Canada, and all points in between. And it always has been, ever since that charlatan Mohammed creature you worship moved north with his murderous gang out of the Arabian peninsula during the 7th century.

You can't fool us anymore my friend. We know too much about you now, unlike before. We know your history, your rituals, your motives, and your ambitions. The game is up. You will never know peace. You and your Ummah will live in fear until each one of you utterly renounces his membership of this sick cult, or until the day of your demise.

By all means, continue to repeat your mantra like one of those battery operated dolls if you wish, but it won't change the truth. Your faith is a warlike, arrogant, destructive, imperious CULT and it is going to be destroyed. It is going to be destroyed even if one half of the West is destroyed in the process. You are the most hated people on Earth and you are going to get your wish ... an earlier than expected visit to your 72 houris.

11 August 2006 at 15:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not impossible for the tide to turn. The islamic colonists amongst us are primarily here for economic reasons. Squeeze them financially and many would leave.

If after every successful terrorist outrage (and some will succeed) muslim shops etc lost 10% of their customers they would soon start to feel it.

A change in the general publics sympathies and much could be done.

11 August 2006 at 15:26  
Anonymous Amo said...

It's unfortunate that people like Mission Impossible can't engage seriously in this important issue. If Cranmer complains, as he does below, about a Muslim making a programme about Jesus (pbuh), arguning that Muslims cannot possibly understand Christian theology, then the reverse must also be true. Non-Muslims are hindered in their comprehension of a faith alien to their culture.

Islam is not about war, terrorism or murder (though historically it has been), any more than Judaism is about war or murder, even though, historically, it was also concerned with (and practised) these things.

It is time to move on, and talk of an enlightened Islam, which many Muslims would embrace, and this would shame those who perpetrate crimes in the name of the noble faith.

11 August 2006 at 15:48  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Anonymous said...
"...It is not impossible for the tide to turn. The islamic colonists amongst us are primarily here for economic reasons. Squeeze them financially and many would leave"


As my previous remarks will demonstrate, I am a fierce anti-Islamist. I also sympathize with the notion that large tracts of urban Britain seem increasingly alien and unrecognisable to the majority population.
I do, however,take grave exception to talk of boycotting Muslim commercial interests- an approach which has the distinct odour of Nazi Germany about it. It would also be highly counter-productive in it would radicalize still further the extreme Islamist tendency in confirming its worst suspicions about the hypocritical West. However, I would favour increased vigilance on the part of the state towards the Muslim community (a much greater state control over Mosques, an oversight role in the appointment of imams and careful scrutiny of Muslim schools and charities for instance)and pushing mainstream Muslims to confront their own "enemy within" (which has been distinctly lacking as well). Totalitarian solutions are not the response most English would opt for in response to what is, indeed, a real threat. But the state clearly needs to be muchj more pro-active in defending our national security interests.

11 August 2006 at 16:06  
Anonymous Rick said...

You have the benefit of centuries, though you yourself were 'martyred' by people who professed Christianity and killed you.

No we do not as you yourself stated in that sentence. Cranmer having served King Henry proved much more valuable under Edward VI and moved the Church of England away from Henry's National Catholicism to Protestantism with new Prayer Books - unfortunately with the death of Edward VI in 1553 we ended up with "Bloody Mary" who married Philip II of Spain, son of Charles V and Holy Roman Emperor.

Poor Cranmer was removed from office on St Valentine's Day in 1556 and burned at the stake on 21st March, 1556........., "And as for the Pope, I refuse him, as Christ's enemy and Antichrist, with all his false doctrine."

The point was that Protestant England was turned back to Roman Catholicism by the daughter of Catherine of Aragon marrying the son of Catherine's nephew; son of the Holy Roman Emperor who had besieged Rome at the time Henry wanted to divorce Catherine and she had asked her nephew to prevent the Pope granting the annullment.

The complexity is greater than that in Islam which has an introverted history...and these events took place 73 years after Muslims descecrated Byzantium and 127 years before they attacked Vienna.

11 August 2006 at 16:27  
Anonymous Rick said...

I do, however,take grave exception to talk of boycotting Muslim commercial interests- an approach which has the distinct odour of Nazi Germany about it

Not just of Nazi Germany - they did not invent the boycott (it was named after Captain Boycott in Ireland) - but there are many Muslim businesses with excellent service and helpful staff. There is no reason to boycott businesses at all and trading is an essential part of human interaction.

11 August 2006 at 16:29  
Blogger ScurvyOaks said...

Amo, I very strongly hope you're right -- and fair enough to wait for the proof. But when the proof comes in, please do raise your voice appropriately.

Further, I agree that "it is time to move on, and talk of an enlightened Islam." Kindly commence that talking -- now! In light of what the terrorists who declare themselves Muslims are doing, this is no time to tarry.

11 August 2006 at 16:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Muslims in the Middle East and Asia are not seeking to live in peace with Christians, Jews Buddhists whatever but to convert and eliminate those communities.

Europe is on the road to becoming an Islamic caliphate and if even those who do not desire this cannot contemplate relatively mild measures such as boycotts then there is no hope of stopping it.

To do nothing is to betray both your ancestors and your descendents.

11 August 2006 at 17:00  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Scurvyoaks,

You are very welcome to Cranmer's blog. Mr Amo is (easily) the most forward-thinking Mohammedan to grace this forum. Thank you for your courtesy towards him.

Mr Rick,

Please be sensitive in your references to my past. I can still smell the cinders.

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Anonymous,

Please call yourself Sebastian, or some such (Cranmer already has a Colin, of intermittent presence). It is impossible to engage in dialogue with anonymice. Thank you.

11 August 2006 at 17:06  
Blogger Mercian Crusader said...

Yet again we see a small minority willing to committ attrocities in the name of Islam or so the elders and leaders would have you believe.

How many small minorities willing to do this are out there?

What's worse is people actually believe the media who submit to this dogma of it was a bad crowd or a small minority.

The world has to wake up and see there is a problem and start to condemn loudly any and all things wrong with Islam. Women being stoned or hanged in Iran on the say so of one person, suicide bombers daily around the world, Hizbollah & Hamas targetting civilians, Iran & Syria funding terrorist organisations the list goes on and yet we stay quiet. Why?

Anything said against Islam and they go nuts and hold a rally. A programme on Christ by a Muslim registers barely a flicker would anyone dare do a programme on Mohammed in the same dismissive style. Not a chance because of the backlash.

Where are all of the rallies by outraged moderate peace loving muslims condemning all of the attrocities done in the name of their faith?

Muslims will not integrate into society because they see themeslves as part of a worldwide muslim brotherhood and not of the country they were born in. So someone born in England as had his parents would still call himself a muslim first and not English. Look at the abuse Sajid Mahmood got playing for England with English born youths calling him Traitor.

Recognition of the host country and its customs, laws and traditions MUST always come first over anything any other race or faith brings with it. The question to be asked is would any Islamic country allow the freedom to another religion as western nations do to Islam? Until the answer is yes then we have a problem.

11 August 2006 at 17:15  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

enlightened Islam? What could that possibly mean?

amo ... It isn't that I can't engage seriously in this important issue. Rather, I can't engage this issue on your terms. Your excuses and pleadings show your brain cannot grasp any alternative to the brainwashing that dominates its neurons. You don't live in the real world. And I think you know that ... ... Eh? What am I saying? You only know what you have been told to know by your book.

You know, I could have sworn all Muslims were already insistent Islam, in its present form, is the only truly 'enlightened' faith. The final prophet and all that jazz. The "holy" book (that contains the very word of God no less! Amazing!) that renders all before it irrelevant.

You are full of empty promises Amo, and I know there are many 'amos' out there. It isn't going to wash. You occupy the dreamy end of the spectrum. At the very best, your intellectual meanderings will result in the establishment of just another oppressed sect within a still dominant, aggressively expansionist faith controlled by the Sunnah. At worst, you and your kind will simply waste everyone's time (especially ours) with your wishful thinking.

The people you should be talking to are not the British; you should take your one-way ticket and go camp outside the Al-Azhar Mosque in Cairo and argue your case for reform with the Imam there. Don't forget to log-in and let us know how you are getting on.

Oh, and before I forget, I'd be grateful if you'd stop swearing (e.g., pbuh) when writing your posts. Never good to use bad language.

11 August 2006 at 17:27  
Blogger matteus said...

>> That is why so many white British women date Blacks ... they are making a Marxist political statement, not just a sexual one.<<

This is a fascinating new development. Could you share the reference table that that you are using to determine our political motivation when dating various races or possibly give a URL? I'd be curious to see what statements I was making over the last 20 years during various lusts. Does it work with religious beliefs as well or is it just a racial measure?

My family are mixed race and black and white. I'm a Catholic and I've had two muslim girlfirends, one hassidic and one hindu amongst others. You might want to expand your spreadsheet so we can untangle our political motives.

11 August 2006 at 20:00  
Blogger Thomas Fuller said...

Matteus --

Yes, I too thought that was well over the top. Mission Impossible: you really ought to substantiate or withdraw that statement.

And MI, thanks for your earlier comment. It well may be that New Labour is a closet for Marxists. I know that many of them (e.g. Straw, Clarke, Blunkett, Hain, etc., etc.) were much more openly radical in the past. Have they grown up, or merely bought (at our expense) lounge suits?

I am nervous about demonizing a whole swathe of the population. It might be the German way, but doesn't sit too well in Britain. How, though, does one eradicate the enemy within when he has been born and bred here and has as much right to his views (however odious they may be) as anyone else? All one can do is lock him up when those views are translated into illegal activity.

11 August 2006 at 20:16  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Thomas Fuller said...

"I am nervous about demonizing a whole swathe of the population... How, though, does one eradicate the enemy within when he has been born and bred here and has as much right to his views..."

Judging by the quality of debate on this particular thread I suspect some contributors would favour mass shootings as a possible solution.
But you are absolutely right on the need not to demonize a particular section of the population- one which is already especially prone to paranoia, conspiracy theories and self-imposed isolation. That will lead us precisely nowhere. What is required on our part is a spot of sang froid, a realistic understanding of the threat posed by a zealous minority of fascists and how we deal with it while remaining a democratic society ruled by law rather than prejudice. Yes, we do lock up the extremists and (dare I say, deport them to their countries of origin if they weren't born in Blighty)but as I said earlier the State needs to actively monitor and scrutinize what goes on in mosques and Islamic schools and Quran courses a lot better than it has being done....The non-existence of effective immigration control under Zanu Nu Labour does of course massively complicate matters.

11 August 2006 at 21:17  
Blogger matteus said...

Its in the province of the Department of Education. All children studying at UK schools should learn the fundamental beliefs (no pun intended) of the major religions. If they refuse they dont get educated by the state.

Problem solved.

11 August 2006 at 21:24  
Anonymous billy said...

Mission Impossible said...

That is why so many white British women date Blacks ... they are making a Marxist political statement,

An interesting point.
My own experience is that white British women dating Blacks think Marx are what they get at school, and that a statement is what they make to the police.

11 August 2006 at 22:16  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Billy
Now that was funny (+:
You left out the "tramp stamp"
The Marx they get when they get a tatoo just over the crack of their a***

11 August 2006 at 22:34  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Matteus, not difficult to see why you might by upset by such a statement. Won’t promise to convince you in a relatively short posting, but I will give you some clues & pointers.

Thomas fuller … with all due respect, it wasn’t well over the top at all. Controversial yes, but not “over the top.” There will be absolutely no withdrawal of my earlier statement, as it is truer than you will ever know.

I suppose it depends on one’s personal experiences, and to what extent you have been keeping your eyes and ears open since the 1970s. Not many of us have.

I once spent 15 months living and working in Jamaica (when my male hormones were at a peak) so I think I know something about Whites and Blacks. Much of the island has rich Bauxite deposits, the precursor of Aluminium. Whilst there, I “got around,” to say the least. I found the native girls of Jamaica were far more lady-like, demure, and feminine than the rough, narky, insolent, crude, ill-mannered creatures who tended to want to pass for women in Britain. Those British women have grown up now (at least in the physical sense) and many have born children. Today, we can see the results in our schools and town centres, etc.

The Jamaicans who immigrated to Britain back in the 50s and 60s tended to be the riff-raff. The professionals nearly always headed for the USA, spurning Britain. Therefore, most of you do not appreciate how beautiful Jamaican women can be.

Personally, I know what it is like to be discriminated against. I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of racial hatred. We Whites have been brainwashed into thinking it is only us who are capable of doing such things to others. This is patently false.

The western world is being undermined by our tolerance of subversive theories that essentially have given the green light to many other races and cultures, to express enmity towards whites. But that hatred is not directed at white women, who already have the reputation for jumping into early sexual relations with Arabs and Blacks, but against white men. White men (as expressed clearly by Marx and his acolytes) are the real object of their hatred.

Some of you may have heard of Susan Sontag, the highly Influential feminist author. She once said: The white race is the cancer of human history. What she really meant (because she is a feminist) is that White Men are the cancer of human history. The philosophical origins of this hateful sentiment can again be traced right back to Karl Marx himself.

During the 1970s, there were huge enrolments into Social Science degree courses. These were supposed to enlighten and educate; in fact they were little more than indoctrination classes, designed to create Gramscian agitators who would then go out into society and promote Marxism: media, arts, local government, etc. What is also fact is that a disproportionate number of enrolees were young women. Social Science was considered the sexiest subject to study throughout most of the 1970s and 80s. Do any of you recall this, or am I writing to brick walls?

Along with many other subversive theories, the social sciences spread the concept of cultural relativism and the noble savage, etc. Consequently, our women were primed (by political indoctrination) to see as equivalents, white British men who had worked hard and received a good engineering degree, and some black tribesman, who had just stepped off a plane from Kenya, still wearing his grass skirt. In good Gramscian tradition, our media (including women’s magazines) were busily super-imposing black male models and white female models in fashion shoots, and things to do with sex. You have all surely seen numerous TV dramas showing Black Men fraternizing with White Women (not to mention the advertising between programming), but how many times have you seen White Men fraternizing with Black Women (in TV drama)???? I mean, without it being made to look like the Black Girl was being abused, or the white guy’s slave, or some other derogatory relationship?

When I was a teenager, it was common to see White Girls wearing black armbands in nightclubs, etc. This meant they only had sex with Black Men: “White Men Not Wanted” was what it shouted. Later, this was deemed too provocative, so the girls then started to wear Africanized hats, which said the same thing subtley. In St. Pauls district, Bristol, during the 1970s, a white man would dare not enter for fear of his life, after nightfall. The black clubs, for which it was famous, were crammed full of black and white women. The black girls so resented this intrusion, it was put into rap lyrics by several well known singers. Many Black men have admitted that having sex with a white girl gave them a feeling of revenge. Many white girls have been ritually debased as a result, but this cannot be reported because of Gramscian inspired race-relations legislation.

Cultural Marxism has become so pervasive in British culture; you people don’t even recognize it for what it is anymore. You think it is normal, received wisdom, the general consensus. Your senses have been so dulled, you even tolerate a £2-million salary paid by the BBC (out of your pockets) to Jonathan Ross who has the manners and charm of a spiv; and who asks the Leader of the Opposition: did you masturbate when thinking of Margaret Thatcher? You tolerate being humiliated by your own national broadcaster. You have lost your cultural identity and your sense of self preservation. For over 35 years, you have been pushed around by this minority group and another special interest; you can’t even manage to be boss of your own homes. What has gone wrong with you? If you cannot even respect yourselves, and each other, then how will anyone else respect you?

The situation is not hopeless; it can be turned around, but please don’t start crying at people like me, for not using “nice language.” I am only trying to do my little bit to wake you up from your 30 years of delusions! Didn’t your dear Grandma ever tell you? Usually it is only bitter medicine that will cure a chronic problem!

You now have only two choices left: Either swallow the bitter medicine, or be picked off, one by one, until the white race becomes such an abused minority, it will be no more significant than the Sioux Indians.

12 August 2006 at 04:52  
Anonymous Rick said...

I am nervous about demonizing a whole swathe of the population. It might be the German way

That sentence is an oxymoron. Do consider it carefully. The second sentence is wholly untrue and reflects unfamiliarity with Germany, and the first sentence is contradictory, if not hypocritical.

12 August 2006 at 06:44  
Anonymous Rick said...

All children studying at UK schools should learn the fundamental beliefs (no pun intended) of the major religions.

They DO ! That is the problem !

At Laisterdyke High School, Religious Education is based on the Bradford Agreed Syllabus for Religious Education and provides opportunities for children to learn about, and learn from the six faiths which are mainly represented in the Bradford area; i. e. Christianity, Islam, Sikh Dharam, Hindu Dharma, Judaism and Buddhism.

Year 6 RE

In year 6 children have two lessons of RE per week.

In year 6 children learn about and learn from religion through topics such as Places of worship, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, Sacred Writings, Easter, Eid and Wesak, Creation and Pilgrimage. Opportunities are provided for children to visit places of worship to enhance their studies.


Year 7 RE

In year 7 children have two lessons of RE per week.

Children begin to learn about, and learn from religion through systematic studies of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Hindu Dharma. The religions are compared and contrasted.

Children will be involved in research to produce a personal project about a key religious figure. This work helps the children to prepare for upper school and the projects they will produce there.

Visitors from faith communities in Bradford may be invited into school to share their views and values with the children.

In addition the children learn about the faiths recommended for study in the Agreed Syllabus, by studying and responding to the topic Contemporary People of Faith.


Year 8 RE

In year 8, children have two lessons of R E. per week.

The children continue their systematic studies of religion and study Buddhism and Sikh Dharam

In addition the children learn about the six faiths recommended for study in the Agreed Syllabus, by studying and responding to topics such as; Belief in God, Relationships, Friendship and Commitment and Environment, Justice, Caring and Sharing.


This is the problem. Children from homes where their parents are not practising Christians do not get a sound grounding and so feel resentful of being foisted with other faiths as if they are another minority.

http://www.ngfl.ac.uk/edulinks/re.html

http://www.coxhoe.durham.sch.uk/Curriculum/RE.htm

It is Christianity which is NOT taught by Church of England or Schools - it is also NOt taught by mosques. Try asking a Muslim about the Holy Trinity and hear about Jesus, Mary, and God as the Trinity...............they do not accept what schools teach but what the Mosque instills in them by rote and by punishment.

12 August 2006 at 06:51  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

isn't strange how many of those that wish to demonise the white male are jewish.

12 August 2006 at 09:48  
Anonymous vikky said...

phone cam foolery! Aren't l pleased to note you 've modified your language? Is the other one reserved for lain's blog?;-)

12 August 2006 at 10:54  
Anonymous Colin2 said...

phone cam foolery said...
"...isn't strange how many of those that wish to demonise the white male are jewish"

He'll be quoting from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" next. Anyone for a matzo soaked in the blood of a Christian child? Get a grip on reality, sir!!

12 August 2006 at 11:08  
Anonymous Rick said...

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/index.cfm?fuseaction=summary&id=132177

Read this....especially Ofsted Report page 15, 53

especially Paras 172-

12 August 2006 at 11:17  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Now, now ... colin2 ... I think we have all had quite a belly full of you "thought police" types.

So far, we have dealt only with facts. phone cam foolery is correct. Why don't you get off your own posterior and go do the research yourself? Communism, and the Bolshevik Revolution was largely a Jewish enterprise. Between 1917 and early 1920s, millions of native Russians were exterminated by groups under the direction of Jews.

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.

For further reading on this taboo subject go to: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

phone cam foolery's comment is a long, long way from trying to demonize Jews as a group, and you trying to suggest otherwise is disgraceful.

The fact is, whether you like it or not, Jews (male & female) have figured disproportionately in the demonization of the white race generally, and white males in particular, throughout the 20th century.

If there is anyone to blame, it should be ourselves, for allowing a parasitic, minority group to dictate the way we conduct ourselves, our society, and our culture.

Quite simply, you have accused phone cam foolery due to your own prejudices.

As for the Protocols of Elders of Zion, that forgery is a favourite read of Arabs particularly, and Muslims generally. They love conspiracy theories, because that is how they choose to explain away their own failures. The Protocols have been on the Arab world's best sellers list for many years now.

I think if anyone needs to get a grip on reality here, it is clearly -- if I may be so bold to suggest -- you Mr. colin2.

12 August 2006 at 13:30  
Blogger Deep Stoat said...

"Cultural Marxism has become so pervasive in British culture; you people don’t even recognize it for what it is anymore" So writes MI.

In lit crit, it is called defamiliarisation; you don't notice the artifices and conventions. And it is true. There is a sense in which this group of cultural saboteurs has commandeered the language. They have demanded that you have to phrase things in a certain way and as such you can no longer express yourself in terms which contradict their pov. For example, Channel four News discourages the use of the word "terrorist" because they think that it shows bias. Instead, they would use "suicide bombers".

As MI quite rightly points out, we are lapping all of this up, unknowingly, uncritically and ultimately to the point when free speech, in its truest sense, just won't be techically possible.

There has to be a coalition of thinkers and dissenters. Let us hope that blogging can mature, as it has with our immortal host, into a viable counter-culture.

(btw, he is so right about Bristol. St Pauls is still a no-go area for whites at certain times)(But why doesn't he have his own blog?)

12 August 2006 at 13:32  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

deep stoat ... thank you.
In fact, right now I am working on a book (non-fiction). It's very hard work. I come to these pages to break off and vent; experiment with ideas; gauge where my own people are.

Hope to publish sometime early 2007. Will let you know. I am contactable via e-mail (click on my moniker and open profile to find).

If things work out, I will have time to run my own Blog in due course. Whatever, Cranmer will continue to receive my support.

12 August 2006 at 13:55  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Mission Impossible,

His Grace is honoured by the presence of your intelligence and erudition.

12 August 2006 at 14:15  
Anonymous colin2 said...

Your Grace,

Visitations by Muslims to this venerable blog appear to have dried up while the anti-semites and white supremacists are out in force. Should this be viewed as progress?

12 August 2006 at 14:58  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Colin2,

Your knowledge of the frequency of Mohammedan visitations to this blog rather inclines His Grace to surmise that you may have more than one identity by which you contribute.

Neither anti-semites nor white supremacists are particularly welcome, though His Grace struggles to identify any contributor by either of these labels. Free speech is permitted on this blog, provided, as always, that it is intelligent and erudite. Should anyone wish to indulge in a racist rant, of the genre to which you appear to refer, His Grace would direct them to the BNP site (if he knew where it was, but Google would speedily resolve its latency).

12 August 2006 at 15:15  
Anonymous Rick said...

Mission Impossible let me add flesh to the bones of your argument. Judaism has Millennialist Features and the persecution of Jews in Russia - let us not forget the Tsars worked hard to keep control and the country backward. Jews were banned from universities, restricted in their place of residence - eventually The Pale - ie Ukrainian/Polish area of the Russian Empire, and subjected to frequent Pogroms rather as Koreans were the feature of Japanese massacres viz the 1923 Tokyo earthquake.

It seems only natural that the rising Secular Humanist Dogma of Socialism would be attractive to those who sought a better world. Robert Wilton, the Times correspondent wrote a book and listed leading Bolsheviks and the proportion who were Jews. Quite a lot. They were eradicated by Stalin in the main.

If you look at the Polish nationalists wanting to escape the Russian Empire - you had Rosa Luxemburg who was of the Socialist Utopia without national boundaries, and the Josef Pilsudski who favoured national identity as a Pole before Global Socialism.

This strand of national liberation within the guise of Scialism/Communism is what bedevilled the West in isolating liberation movements in Africa and Asia from Marxism-Leninism.

So it would not surprise me to find Socialism as a home for Jews - just as the German SPD, the world's oldest socialist party, was formed by August Bebel, and had a strong Jewish component of Karl Kautsky, Ernst Rathenau et al. The socially-marginalised find a party that promises a better future.

In opposition you get the Party of the Past - the landowners, the industrialists, or the establishment - with that you get the Black Hundreds, Croix de Feu, Falange, Fascists, and whatever the Established Order might be.

It does not surprise me, nor does it surprise me as it does many Jews, that you get anti-Israel Jews, anti-Jewish Jews - even God found Jews querulous and banished them to captivity in Babylon until Cyrus of Persia rescued them.

I am not surprised at all. The whole Civil Rights movement in the USA had Jewish leaders and Black front men.....it is a feature but as one trained in statistics I know what Autocorrelation is and Heteroskedasticity.

When Poles were deported by the NKVD from Eastern Poland (now Belarus) to Siberia they were fingered by Jewish informers working with the Bolsheviks (read "Man is Wolf to Man" by Janusz Bardach, himself Jewish, to see how this occurred).

We deal in Christianity in Individuals, individual accountability before God, individual conscience, and individual redemption. That is why it is worth observing group dynamics but remembering that each individual has a moral obligation, he cannot hide in group justification.

If you want to look further - Robert Ley on the Nazi Labour Front, and SS-Obergruppenfuehrer of the RSHA Reinhard Heydrich, were both of Jewish ancestry.

The point is academic really, because other Jews left Germany and worked on the Manhattan Project, in fact it was Szilard and Einstein who initiated it.

The fact is that a lot of highly-educated people were seduced by Marxism into thinking they had found the key to nirvana rather as Timothy Leary thought LSD was the way. Then we had the Frankfurt School Marxists like Herbert Marcuse peddling incoherence to English graduates who are specialists in "unstructured thinking" and sentimentalist dreaming.

I see no great conspiracy from Jews, there is a tendency to get carried away with idealistic fantasies, but that is why it pays to argue the case and prevent 'ghettoes of the mind'.

12 August 2006 at 16:22  
Anonymous Rick said...

http://mailstar.net/wilton.html

12 August 2006 at 16:28  
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12 August 2006 at 17:26  
Blogger Joe Otten said...

Cranmer, of course there are passages in the Quran that argue for murder and terrorism, as there are in the Bible.

But we honour the name of Gideon by putting his name on bibles in hotel rooms.

We credit Moses with bringing us the ten commandments, the basis for moral behaviour.

I hope ignorance of the bible is not so great in this blog that I need to provide quotes.

We have, it seems (I sincerely hope) a theology that is utterly divorced from the despicable acts of these people.

The occasional murderer or terrorist is deemed by nearly all other christians as not a true christian. (Sound familiar?)

If we were to judge Christianity by the standard you are judging Islam, we would come to much the same conclusion.

12 August 2006 at 17:27  
Blogger Thomas Fuller said...

Rick --

I said: I am nervous about demonizing a whole swathe of the population. It might be the German way

You said at 6:44 AM: That sentence is an oxymoron. Do consider it carefully. The second sentence is wholly untrue and reflects unfamiliarity with Germany, and the first sentence is contradictory, if not hypocritical.

I am familiar with Germany, and with northern Germany in particular. It gives me the willies; though I know what you're saying about modern Germany. I should have said the "Nazi" way, and would have done if that word hadn't been so overused.

As to the first sentence, I have considered it and cannot see an oxymoron. Please explain, so that I can mend my ways if necessary!

12 August 2006 at 17:34  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Rick, I am about to close down my PC for the night. But managed to read your 4:22PM piece prior. Totally superb contribution if I may say so. I will treasure that one! Me thinks you will need to start attaching copyright marks to some of your posts! :-)

Yes, I accept the thesis of your 4:22PM post. One certainly cannot discuss the Jews as a uniform mass with a common ideology, as the Nazi's eventually came to view them. Even less demonise them. They are also the West's front line in the battle against Islamic Fascism. But, it is fascinating to see how Jews have featured so strongly in the great Marxist / Communist project. A stateless people with a strong tribal identity -- some of its members were always bound to create something that would do more than just create ripples. Storm force waves rather.

By the way, did you know it was Armand Hammer (also a Jew, and later founder of Occidental Oil Company) who founded the Communist Party of America. Friend of Stalin also, apparently.

Bad ideas are like deadly viruses. We need more antidotes.

12 August 2006 at 18:03  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Rick some excellent points as always, I have really enjoyed reading this thread.
Ask yourself this, why is it that Jews are at the forefront of promoting multicuturalism and demonising the old order until it comes to their own values or one of them "marrying out"?
The very basis of their faith is that they are Gods chosen ones , and therefore every other race is subject to their will.

12 August 2006 at 18:19  
Anonymous Rick said...

Friend of Stalin also, apparently.

Lenin actually. In fact one of Armand Hammer's proteges was Al Gore's father, in fact Armand Hammer made Al Gore's father rich.

You might ask about the files that are time-sealed in the USA. About wealthy men - including some in Cincinnati Ohio who are rumoured to have provided funds for "progressive forces" to replace the Czar. The funding from New York banks like Kuhn Loeb and Schiff is also fascinating.

One interesting aside is that Robin Bruce-Lockhart is now an English peer - his ancestor was involved with Sidney Reilly in trying to topple Lenin; it was Lockhart who smuggled Kerensky out - he moved to the US (Hoover Institution is where his Cabinet papers are) and his son was at Oxford.

Thomas Fuller - I do you an injustice. It was not your first sentence that was an oxymoron but the first two - you did not want to demonise a swathe...........but proceeded to demonise a people.

Phone Cam Foolery - I see your point. It is just as the ACLU which attacksreligion in the USA is largely staffed at the top by Jewish activists. I might add they are rarely at ease with themselves and querulous - it is our job to resist outrageous demands from any quarter by setting boundaries and saying "No".

I find we do that too little as a society

12 August 2006 at 19:01  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

It is strange that jewish bankers funded Bolshevism, equally strange that most Russian Oligarchs just happen to be Jewish, It rased a smile to my face when Khodorkovsky was first arrested and had his assets frozen and up popped a Rothschild to say that they were in fact his assets held in the name of Khodorkovsky and could he please have them back ,
We all know the answer he received. (+:

12 August 2006 at 19:10  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Rick,
You are undoubtedly right to note the likely Jewish ancestry of Reinhard Heydrich. In The Face Of The Third Reich Joachim C Fest OBSERVED that “…Heydrich was besmirched by an indelible stain and in a melancholy state of 'mortal sin'; he had Jewish ancestors. He tried to destroy all the evidence…but he was unable to prevent enemies and rivals, to whom such knowledge meant real power, from getting hold of documentary evidence of his racially impure parentage.
However, I have absolutely never seen any evidence suggesting that Dr. Robert Ley was of Jewish ancestry. Are you sure about that assertion?

12 August 2006 at 21:35  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

thomas fuller, allow me to disentangle. Actually, Rick probably meant to write "statement," where he instead used the word "sentence." Thus ...

You wrote this statement: I am nervous about demonizing a whole swathe of the population. It might be the German way, but doesn't sit too well in Britain.

What Rick meant to say was: That [delete: 'sentence'] statement is an oxymoron. Do consider it carefully. The second sentence is wholly untrue and reflects unfamiliarity with Germany, and the first sentence is contradictory, if not hypocritical.

Thus he was pointing out correctly, that you claim you are nervous about "demonizing a whole swathe of the [a] population" yet that is precisely what you proceed to do in your very next sentence, vis-a-vis the German people!

No wonder otherwise intelligent people can get trapped by nonsensical arguments peddled by Leftists, Liberals, and assorted totalitarians. Clear thinking requires regular practise and the jettisoning of slogans masquerading as reasoned arguments. Especially necessary when they are presented to us from Sheffield.

Blog posting is writing "on the hoof." Werds are theirfour sumtimes spealt or yewsed straingely.

13 August 2006 at 05:20  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

In a bold and shocking move, Islamic leaders in Great Britain wrote to the British Prime Minister (via The Telegraph) blaming the the Blair government for putting British lives at increased risk.

Says the Pravda-BBC, the letter urges Blair to change foreign policy to show the UK values the lives of civilians.

For intelligent comments on this letter click here

[[ Note: to avoid closing your Cranmer Blog window, right click on these URL links then select "Open in New Window." ]]

Shahid Malik is the Labour Member of Parliament for Dewsbury. He is also a Member of the "Foreign Affairs Committee." He complains:

Where you forget about right and wrong, where you think two wrongs equals a right ... those events are diminishing my ability to put forward arguments against extremism.

Here is our "Parliamentarian" Shahid Malik as seen during race rioting in Burnley in 2001.

To read the opinion of Professor Ole Hasselbalch, Doctor of Laws in Denmark (NB: this is a Danish Blog in English) then go here. It is important for you all to understand the Islamic incursion into Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch, Belgian, and French societies is as bad, if not worse than Britain's.

We read & write to learn, and we learn to ready ourselves for decisive action.

13 August 2006 at 07:03  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Photo Fraud rampant in Western News Media reports

Further to the link I provided you all, about one week ago, on the topic of Palestinian manipulation of the western news media.

Here is a short movie demonstrating the ways in which well-known Western News Agencies are conspiring to paint Israel in a negative or bad light, and thus induce your sympathy for the Iranian Islamic Fascist organization, Hezbollah.

The short movie is truly a must see. It is not propaganda.

13 August 2006 at 08:07  
Anonymous Rick said...

http://www.eureferendum.blogspot.com/

Go to this Website and see it all

13 August 2006 at 10:28  
Anonymous Rick said...

Mission Impossible thanks for your clear exposition of my words.........exactly so ....Thomas Fuller apologies for any confusion............but Mission Impossible want right on the money with his explanation

13 August 2006 at 10:35  
Anonymous Rick said...

Sorry "was" not "want"

13 August 2006 at 10:36  
Blogger Thomas Fuller said...

Rick, MI --

You are right: I see the error of my ways. I myself demonized the whole German nation.

Maybe that just goes to show how easy it is to demonize. It always ends in tears. Like it or not, the past actions of politicians have bequeathed us a serious problem. Many people born and bred here are antipathetic to "traditional" British ideas; some would even like to establish Sharia Law.

I have no idea how it can be solved.

13 August 2006 at 10:48  
Anonymous Rick said...

However, I have absolutely never seen any evidence suggesting that Dr. Robert Ley was of Jewish ancestry. Are you sure about that assertion?

Yes I am.......sure that I have read it as such not sure that is is true.


On my searches I found this though -
Kersten's description of Himmler as a "narrow-chested, weak-chinned man . . . with a high-pitched shrill voice, an ingratiating smile and eyes owlishly innocent," a copy of the Koran always at hand, a man who believed himself to be the reincarnation of Henry the Fowler and Genghis Khan

http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2003_10/fox-himmler.html

13 August 2006 at 11:04  
Anonymous Rick said...

that most Russian Oligarchs just happen to be Jewish ethnically so rather than devoutly so.

You might like to read Amy Chua "World On Fire" where she examines how cliques have grown very rich from globalisation from Chinese in Indonesia and Thailand, to Jewish oligarchs who buttered up Yeltsin and his daughter and had the assistance of Western advisers keen to bring Capitalism before Democracy to Russia..........ie it is not just the oligarchs but the privatisers and their Western "advisers" and bankers

13 August 2006 at 11:08  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Mr. Mission impossible,

The Ole Hasselbalch report to which you referred is illuminating in many respects although he is incorrect in stating that Albania is currently an EU member state. Prof. Hasselbalch also asserts "... that Allah is mobilising the muslim Turkey and adds that to the European Union. That is an addition of 50 million more muslims..."
Wrong again I am afraid. Turkey's current population is, in fact, close to 74 million and is projected to be at least 101 million by 2050. There is also a powerful Islamic revival underway. It is critically important that the British rally to opposition of Turkish accession. Strangely, New Labour and the Conservatives are united in their support for Turkey's EU membership. Make of that what you will...

13 August 2006 at 11:22  
Anonymous Rick said...

gc what they don't tell you is the changing voting system within the EU Commissioner - under that proposal the UK will have 1 Commissioner every 12 years - in the interim Europe's most populous state (possibly Turkey) could be legislating for an unrepresented United Kingdom.

Europe has embarked on its third Suicide Run in the space of a century.........this time in place of explosion we will get Implosion

13 August 2006 at 11:54  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Latest News ... New BBC Logo just announced.

BBC ... Bent Backward and Corrupt

NEW BBC LOGO

13 August 2006 at 12:15  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Exactly,Rick. Again the mainstream media is also singing from the hymn sheet as our so-called political "elite". Naturally, you will never hear a slither of opposition to Turkey's potential EU accession from any quarter of the conventional media.

For those who choose to deal with facts, you may be interested to learn that in ten of the fifteen pre-enlargement member states there is a majority against Turkey, with opposition running as high as 80 per cent. The naccession negotiations with Turkey must absolutely be adjourned. Turkey does not meet any of the criteria necessary to enter into the EU — neither economic, social nor political

At the risk of causing His Grace to experience apoplexy, I think Ratzinger got it right back in 2004:
"...Turkey has always represented another continent, in permanent contrast with Europe. There were the [old Ottoman Empire] wars against the Byzantine Empire, the fall of Constantinople, the Balkan wars, and the threat against Vienna and Austria. It would be an error to equate the two continents...Turkey is founded upon Islam...Thus the entry of Turkey into the EU would be anti-historical" See also : http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17772

13 August 2006 at 12:18  
Anonymous Rick said...

Cardinal Ratzinger in the form of Pope Benedikt XVI is being interviewed in a 40-minute programme on ARD today at 19.20 CET

13 August 2006 at 12:59  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Mission Impossible,

His Grace may well be making use of the new BBC logo after he has watched Part II of Mr Rageh Omaar's documentary on Jesus, this evening.

He awaits to see if there are further Islamifications.

13 August 2006 at 13:17  
Anonymous billy said...

"Thomas Fuller said...
Many people born and bred here are antipathetic to "traditional" British ideas; some would even like to establish Sharia Law.
I have no idea how it can be solved.
10:48 AM"


I found it interesting that the father of some of the suspects has lived here 30 years but needed an interpreter to communicate. His wife, apparently, has no English at all. I wonder how much integration he has encouraged in his family.

If I may compare that with a Sikh neighbour of mine who has very limited English (we are just about able to converse about beer and vegetables) but whose wife has conversational English, but his son is a professional and his grandchildren might well be as English as my children. They attend their Gurdwara but don't appear to harbour any resentment or require me to be a Sikh. They are good, neighbourly folk who look different, dress different, and worship differently to me, but share the same the same overall mores and values.
My understanding is that the majority of Muslims are like my Sikh neighbours and want to live life quietly and normally.
A certain number of Muslims want to impose their religion/culture on all of us. If those that teach them that is a good thing were removed from circulation couldn't that be a start to solving the problem? Don't the laws to do that already exist? Perhaps the problem is that many Labour (New or Old) MP's rely on the Muslim vote to keep their seats and consequently they will not take any vigorous action to effect a change?
We have UK Muslim 'leaders' justifying terrorist actions because their young people do not like the governments foreign policy. Shouldn't they be busy teaching their young people just what is acceptable action in an estabilished democracy if you don't like the way things are?

13 August 2006 at 14:02  
Anonymous Rick said...

I found it interesting that the father of some of the suspects has lived here 30 years but needed an interpreter to communicate. His wife, apparently, has no English at all

Well if your City Hall was signed in Urdu and Gujerati, your hospital, and all publications from your Metropolitan Council, you too might decide the effort wasn't necessary.

If you look at how many asylum seekers have "found work" as translators in courts, welfare and social agencies. you would have a catatonic fit

13 August 2006 at 14:08  
Blogger Professor D.C. Warmington said...

Dear Mr Rick

You say "you would have a catatonic fit"; do you mean "apoplectic"?

Just checking.

I am, sir,

Yours pedantically

A. de T.

13 August 2006 at 14:43  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Dear billy ... I can only conclude you have a totally pollyannaish view of life in "multicultural" Britain.

If only, I wish, etc.

A certain number of Muslims want to impose their religion/culture on all of us.

What do you mean by "certain number". 10%, 20%, 40%, 70%? And percent of what, the old, the young, or all? Are you going to believe a Muslim if he says, nah, don't worry, its just a minority? Go and listen to a few Friday prayer meetings up & down the country, and check your unwarranted assumptions against reality. Do you know how many Scandinavian women have been raped by Muslim immigrants during the past year? You clueless about that, eh?

Please don't equate Sikhs with Muslims. It is an insult to the Sikhs. I have the utmost admiration for Sikhs. Sikhs have fought several wars for survival against Muslims.

Those Sikhs who are already in Britain, are more than welcome as far as I am concerned. They are an absolute outstanding asset to us, and have been since the early 19th century. For one thing, without the Sikhs, we would never have kept India.

And please, would you at least make an effort to familiarize yourself with the history of Islam before posting any more worthless palliatives about Muslims and Islam. I just don't know why so many of you cannot see the bleedin' obvious!

Islam is mind-control. It is a mind-altering addiction whose only cure is apostasy.

13 August 2006 at 14:51  
Anonymous Rick said...

A. de T.

I chose "catatonic" with purpose but I think your suggestion of "apoplectic" whilst not conveying my meaning exactly might be a more apt term though I do consider it to be more voluntary than the catatonic state

13 August 2006 at 15:41  
Anonymous Rick said...

A certain number of Muslims want to impose their religion/culture on all of us.

I believe that Membership of the CPSU - which ran the USSR for some 70+ years was 300.000. Yet it was able to control a domain of 240 million

13 August 2006 at 15:43  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

This morning I had the pleasure of learning that 45,000 Polish folk resident in this country are claiming child benefit for children resident in Poland, God help us when all those Romanian/Bulgarian Gypsies on their way here get the opportunity to do so.

13 August 2006 at 16:41  
Anonymous Rick said...

Well my friend what your government did not tell you is that after one year in this Sceptred Isle all these immigrants from Central Europe qualify for UK benefits including Housing Benefit.

Unlimited immigration is only compatible with abolition of the welfare state

13 August 2006 at 18:02  
Anonymous billy said...

Mission Impossible said...
Dear billy ... I can only conclude you have a totally pollyannaish view of life in "multicultural" Britain.

Yes, I am optimistic although not about multiculturalism, but I do have hope that we will learn to live together.

What do you mean by "certain number".

What I said. I have no real idea how many but I believe that it is a minority. I expect you know different.

Do you know how many Scandinavian women have been raped by Muslim immigrants during the past year? You clueless about that, eh?

Totally clueless, and not a little disinterested.

Please don't equate Sikhs with Muslims. It is an insult to the Sikhs. I have the utmost admiration for Sikhs. Sikhs have fought several wars for survival against Muslims.

I hope that the Sikhs are suitably grateful for your admiration. I didn't intend to equate Sikhs to Muslims but to compare those that I have contact with. I do know that a certain number of Sikhs signed up with the Japanese and became particularly brutal prison guards. I wouldn't, however, paint them all the same because of that.

And please, would you at least make an effort to familiarize yourself with the history of Islam before posting any more worthless palliatives about Muslims and Islam. I just don't know why so many of you cannot see the bleedin' obvious!

I don't think that I will. I've read your version. Would you have me look for something more balanced?
I do not believe that all Muslims are evil just for being Muslim. I lost friends to Irish terrorists; should I assume that all the Irish want to murder?

13 August 2006 at 20:56  
Blogger phone cam foolery said...

Billy,
let me guess, you are a Mohammedan who has been here before in a different guise?
I can tell due to the fact that I almost fell asleep after reading the first 5 words of your r......
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13 August 2006 at 21:21  
Anonymous billy said...

phone cam foolery said...
Billy,
let me guess, you are a Mohammedan who has been here before in a different guise?
I can tell due to the fact that I almost fell asleep after reading the first 5 words of your r......
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

9:21 PM

Wrong on both counts pcf.

Your Grace,
if pcf is so wrong on these things that I have personal knowledge of should I believe that his other writings, from which I seek to learn, are erudite?
Your opinion would be most welcome.

13 August 2006 at 21:42  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Billy,

Mr Phone Can Foolery is rarely, by his own admission, erudite, yet he possesses a certain passion which His Grace occasionally finds engaging.

Suspicions about your identity would be dispelled if you acquired a blogging account. 'Billy' has probably been spoken for, but do decalre youself by your former name if you decide to heed this advice.

13 August 2006 at 22:17  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Dear Billy ... there are more than enough Silly Billy's in this world. You are all about to be steam-rollered over by events you don't and never will understand.

Silly Billy's are part of the problem, and not the solution.

14 August 2006 at 05:36  
Anonymous Rick said...

I lost friends to Irish terrorists; should I assume that all the Irish want to murder?

I lost some at Lockerbie, what conclusion should I draw ?

14 August 2006 at 06:41  
Anonymous billy said...

Rick said...
I lost some at Lockerbie, what conclusion should I draw ?

I can only tell you of the conclusion that I draw. There are murderous fools in the world and they represent but a small part of whichever group they claim to represent. History tells us that it has always been so.

Your Grace,
Thank you for your recent opinion.
As you know from my previous identity I have only been engaging in the world of blogs for a few weeks. It seems that most are vain diaries and hardly worth reading. Others, like your own, attract a wide range of opinion some of which is passionate. Regrettably, passion often precludes reasoned debate.
As a practising Christian I pray for harmony and understanding. As a former soldier I know that our British army is too overstretched to do anything positive about problems emanating from the Middle East. Even my local postman, a territorial, has done two tours of Iraq and one of Bosnia. Instead of spreading democracy abroad we would do better to teach it at home.

14 August 2006 at 09:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ISLAM EXPOSED!
www.AnsweringProphetOfDoom.net

26 November 2007 at 17:17  

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