Saturday, July 07, 2007

The ethnicity of immigration control

Cranmer takes no pleasure in reproducing this letter to The Daily Telegraph from Geoffrey Van Orden MEP, Conservative Defence and Security Spokesman. It was brought to his attention by a regular communicant, and is really quite alarming:

Sir - There are certainly very serious questions to be asked about the manning, mission and effectiveness of the Border and Immigration Agency of the Home Office, previously the Immigration and Nationality Directorate (Letters, July 5). It says its role is "securing our borders, enforcing our immigration laws and managing migration to the benefit of the UK". Its catastrophic failure to perform these functions correctly is plain for all to see.

When I said to a previous Home Secretary that the controls at our ports of entry were "beacons of political correctness", he replied that I had made a demeaning remark. I therefore asked the Home Office what proportion of its staff in the various immigration, identity and passport services were from ethnic minorities.

Given that ethnic minorities are estimated to form about 6.7 per cent of our total population of working age, I was alarmed to receive the reply that, of those staff whose ethnicity was recorded, 29 per cent of the Immigration and Nationality Directorate, 30 per cent of the Immigration Service and 14 per cent of the Identity and Passport Service were from ethnic minorities.

While it is only right and proper that all law-abiding bona fide citizens, regardless of ethnicity, should have equal opportunities, the manning of our front-line immigration services is curiously disproportionate. It does not promote confidence in the agencies responsible for the control of our borders and therefore the security and integrity of our nation.


It is significant that these figures represent ‘those staff whose ethnicity was recorded’. How many are unrecorded? Why is the figure so disproportionate? Is there an agenda? Is it racist to enquire? Is it a thought-crime to believe there might be?

Perhaps only when Parliament is so disproportionately stocked with ethnic minority MPs, and the Qur’an, the Guru Granth Sahib, and the Laws of Manu are placed in the dispatch box to supplant the Bible, will questions be asked…


Anonymous dafydd said...


Van Orden isn't a very British-sounding name ....

7 July 2007 at 09:09  
Anonymous Voyager said...


I offer the above as an additional thought for the day !

Van Orden isn't a very British-sounding name ....

Dafydd isn't a very English-sounding name, but the MEP was born in Waterlooville, Hampshire and served as a Brigadier in the British I think we might just accept his bona fides don't you Dafydd ?

No ? Well let's look at his CV a little...

Curriculum vitae
BA (Political Science), Sussex University (1969); psc, Indian Defence Services Staff College (1977). British Army operational duties worldwide (1964-1985); instructor, German Armed Forces Staff College, Hamburg (1985-1988); Chief of Staff and Assistant Chief G2, British Sector, Berlin (1988-1990); JIC Assessment Staff, Cabinet Office, London (1990). Senior official in the European Commission dealing with foreign and security policy issues (1995-1999).
Member of the European Parliament (since 1999). Vice-Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Human Rights, Common Security and Defence Policy (since 2002); Conservative co-spokesman on Foreign Affairs, Defence, Human Rights (since 1999); European Parliament Rapporteur for Bulgaria (since 1999); Member of Delegation to the EU-Turkey Joint Parliamentary Committee (since 1999).
Brigadier (Brigadier-General), NATO Headquarters, Brussels (1991-1994); Executive Secretary, International Military Staff, NATO Headquarters, Brussels (1991-1994).
Writer on foreign policy and security issues. Freeman of the City of London; Freeman of the Worshipful Company of Painter-Stainers. MBE.

7 July 2007 at 10:47  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Well, the name was here in the 1841 census. It originates from Noorden, Holland.

But We know don't we that that isn't what the fear is here. This comment was made yesterday on the Up Pompwii pages:

" DP111 wrote:
Coming back from the US last month, I was shocked to see that three out of of the five passport officers on the control desks, were fully hijabed Muslimas. "

This is what's troubling, isn't it.

Then, of course, there's the Daily Mail story of the eight Police officers who are :

" Up to eight police officers and civilian staff are suspected of links to extremist groups including Al Qaeda.

Some are even believed to have attended terror training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Their names feature on a secret list of alleged radicals said to be working in the Metropolitan and other forces. "

This is what this is about isn't it - not the origins of a former Brigadier in the British Army whose country of family origin is not renowned for the production of suicide bombers.

And let's all be honest with ourselves: it's Muslims we're concerned about isn't it. Rightly so, I believe.

No, Islam is not a Race.

7 July 2007 at 10:57  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

This Daily Mail story

7 July 2007 at 11:02  
Anonymous Observer said...

Sir is a site you might wish to visit

7 July 2007 at 11:22  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Sir HM - Well I think that YOU are certainly concerned with Muslims. Dafydd however seems more concerned with the origin of names. And I believe His Grace is worried that the disproportion of ethnic minorities working in the Home Office may signify that there is a certain agenda, namely one which is more concerned with political correctness than with protecting the British people.

Wikipedia gives the following definition of political correctness:

'Political correctness (often abbreviated to PC) is a term used to describe language or behavior that is intended, or said to be intended, to provide a minimum of offense, particularly to racial, cultural, or other identity groups.'

And I am not sure Your Grace that this disproportion is about PC. While I do understand and even share your concern (in particular when reading Voyager's very disturbing Daily Mail article), one must not underestimate the incompetence of the Home Office in a vast number of areas. They are totally disorganised and the staff at the top are a joke.

I simply don't think they are subtle or clever enough to even take on board the notions of PC. I think they fumble about trying to do a 'patch-up' job on most things, trying to survive the day.

It would be interesting to know how many ethnic minorities apply for jobs at the Home Office in comparison to others and whether they are hired in proportion to these figures.

There are of course many careers where ethnic minorities are over-represented. Sport, music and even the computing industry (in the lower ranks). But it is interesting that over-representation in these fields do not evoke the same sense of fear. And this, no doubt, is because as you have said Sir HM, the fear isn't really about ethnic minorities. It is about extreme Muslims being in positions of power which might aid them in their attempts to kill us all, themselves included.

7 July 2007 at 11:30  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Thank you Observer. Yes, very interested. Learn something new every day.

7 July 2007 at 11:37  
Blogger Caroline Hunt said...

Hmmmm - do we think the ethnic make up of most workplaces are based on the national average? Surely it has to do with (for starters) the ethnic make up of the location the workplace is based.

I think it's seems a bit odd to scream conspiracy. Without any further evidence. Just basing a view on a statistic that has little bearing on the subject seems over reaching.

7 July 2007 at 12:31  
Anonymous Observer said...

I simply don't think they are subtle or clever enough to even take on board the notions of PC.

You must recall one John "Jack" Straw who as Home Secretary made it compulsory for all public bodies to recruit ethnic minorities to the point where some police forces were talking of recruiting policemen directly from Pakistan to meet quotas.

Home Secretary Jack Straw has set new targets for the recruitment of ethnic minority staff across among organisations controlled by his department. Around 7% of immigration staff and nearly 9% of probation staff are already drawn from ethnic minorities.And the Metropolitan Police, which covers an area where 20% of people are from ethnic minorities, has been ordered to ensure that the racial mix of its officers reflects that.

Wednesday, July 28, 1999,,206285,00.html

Straw sets new ethnic minority recruitment targets for police

The Met must recruit more than 5000 new officers from ethnic communities

From the Press Association
Wednesday April 14, 1999


LONDON, FEB. 23. The British Government has unveiled legally enforceable proposals to promote racial equality in State-run institutions such as hospitals, schools and the police even as it was accused this week of trying to suppress a report indicating ``widespread bias'' against ethnic minorities in the civil service.

7 July 2007 at 13:02  
Anonymous Voyager said...

do we think the ethnic make up of most workplaces are based on the national average?

If you would only focus on the issue at hand you would not be distracted by issues such as most workplaces and focus entirely on the issue of taxpayer-funded employment.

Public servants should not disproportionately represent the ethnic basis of society which is why the NHS is disproprtionate in its employment practices, as is the Passport & ID Agency, the Border Security and the Office at Croydon.....I think it outrageous that an asylum-seeker could actually have their application handled by someone associated with those whom they are fleeing.

I also believe that persons with access to the Police National Computer should be 100% security cleared to the extent that his superiors would accept being fired without pension should they be wrong.

I wonder if Caroline Hunt ever really takes time to understand the issues she comments on so glibly, but I appreciate she is a Conservative and might not realise there is a deeper analysis than superficial.

7 July 2007 at 13:07  
Anonymous Dr Mabuse said...


7 July 2007 at 13:27  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Am I the only person who remembers this

Voyager - haven't got the hang of Tinyurl yet. I did try. Will keep doing so. :)

7 July 2007 at 13:36  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

How about your local sewage treatment works. Are ethnic minorities over-represented there? How many Muslim binmen have you seen?

Prison service, police, immigration ...

Is there an agenda here? It's a valid question that deserves investigation.

7 July 2007 at 13:41  
Anonymous Sir HM said...


Feedback so you know you weren't wasting your time:

Same page as I linked to above.

Thank you.

7 July 2007 at 14:01  
Anonymous Voyager said...

NHS Doctors

There are 227,000 doctors on the General Medical Council register, and out of these 128,000 have been trained abroad. The BBC reports that 1,985 on the register are from Iraq and 184 are from Jordan

The Department of Health’s 2004 Code of Practice for the Recruitment of Health Care Professionals states that the 157 developing countries on the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development list of aid recipients should not be targeted for recruitment in the UK health sector. The countries include Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan.

Indeed, as terrorism expert Marc Sageman has shown, most of al-Qaeda’s leaders and operatives are well-educated, well-off, cosmopolitan and professional


Home Office figures show that 44,443 medical professionals moved to the UK to take up posts in hospitals and GP surgeries last year.

The influx of workers in 2003 could fill every seat in Chelsea's Stamford Bridge stadium and is 27 times the figure 10 years ago.

The figures show just 1,623 work permits were issued to foreign health workers in 1995, but by 1999

that had risen to 10,736. The numbers have climbed steeply every year since, reaching 44,443 last year.

While a small proportion of the new arrivals will have gone into the private sector, the vast majority do NHS jobs - mostly in nursing, which took about 27,000 of the recruits.

7 July 2007 at 15:20  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Meanwhile, many of our own expensively trained people cannot find suitable employment and so are moving to, for example, Australia; and for example my youngest brother - a Doctor expensively trained here, and now utilised by Australia. This is nothing less than population replacement.

This is a long read, and not intellectually trivial, but please, do make the effort:

It's about time we started looking after our own first. Not nice, I suppose, but necessary in the law-of-the-jungle world we are increasingly becoming. We should at a minimum seal our borders to incomers - which might entail ensuring our borders are guarded by only our own indigenous people.

Surely everyone has already seen this? If not, spend ten or so minutes watching it. He's talking about America, but proportionally, it's worse here:

That's two counts - civil conflict and environmental degradation that point at strict controls. How many counts do we need?

7 July 2007 at 15:39  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

I know it is psychologically comforting to tell yourself you're a nice person, and helpful to the less fortunate in the third world - but it's time to harden our hearts. Sorry, there you have it.

When there is a famine somewhere, that is nature's way of telling you that there are too many people on that little patch of land. Let them die. Yes, hard - but pragmatic. In 1984 (?) there was a famine in Ethiopia. We raised money, we sent aid, we kept many alive. What has Ethiopia done in the 20+ years since? It has increased its population by 25 million people - and now there a rumblings of yet another famine. Will we ever learn?

And we cannot forever keep taking in the surplus populations of countries that will not bring their breeding under control. The only way they will ever do that is if they are forced to face the consequences of such over-breeding.

We in Europe once over-bred - what did we do? We took over huge swathes of the rest of the world - Australia, All of North America, South America, N. Zealand - overwhelming and replacing the pre-existing indigenous populations.

We're British for goodness sake - if ANYONE can see the consequences of allowing untrammelled immigration by people who will not control their breeding than it should be us. Down here at the bottom of the social heap, we do see it. And its consequences. We are being replaced.

And then you people further up the social heap, who have not (yet!) been hit by the consequences of this immigration dare call us racists. "There are none so blind ..."

Charity begins at home.

7 July 2007 at 15:55  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Sir hm - the first article is excellent and valid...the video-link I think is most informative is this one


There is no doubt the high cost of housing and heavy taxation since 1960 on ordinary incomes has made children a very expensive post-tax consumer fact if the averagefamily noted how much it was paying in taxation in total it could see how many other families it is making salaried employees on its tax bill

The cost of supporting the state in its entirety has spread increasingly down the income scale until those on the crossover point between benefits and taxation are caught in a tax regime of extraordinarily high marginal wonder only the very poor and the very rich can afford large families with the two-earner couple in between constrained by mortgage and education costs

7 July 2007 at 16:36  
Anonymous Sir HM said...


Exactly. I'm caught in the marginal rates trap myself. With the added complication that I have health problems restricting what I can do.

I see it. Those that have not experienced it find it unimaginable and so refuse to believe it.

The taxation and social security regime is appalling. Mind you: what isn't?

7 July 2007 at 16:41  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The taxation and social security regime is appalling. Mind you: what isn't?

It has developed a rigidity which is ossification and serves the interests of bureaucracy...I recommended books by Christopher Lasch who reflects on the therapeutic era dating from early last century which has basically reduced adults to the position of children - provided they act recklessly they are rewarded; if they act prudently they are chastised

7 July 2007 at 17:48  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Observer, I didn't mean to suggest that there have not been quotas which the police must meet. I am well aware of these and I am glad that they exist. We have all heard at infinitum stories of the police being racist, both institutionally and otherwise, and I believe it is a good thing that they are trying to recruit ethnic minorities if only because it makes them (as a whole) do a better job of policing.

I had assumed that the problematic issue for His Grace and his communicants was that if and when one is given such quotas, one might then be forced to recruit 'anyone', either people who are not qualified, or from Pakistan as you say, or indeed people who want the position only to gain a position of power which will enable them to infiltrate the system for wrongdoing.

If I was right to assume this, then what is at issue is that restrictions do not exist on how these quotas should be met. When I wrote about incompetence - this is what I meant. Silly decisions are made and never reviewed. Are the decisions made because of political correctness? Perhaps so. Are they not reviewed because of it? No. And this is the essence of the problem. There is no need to throw away the baby with the bath water.

Or perhaps I am wrong, and in fact His Grace is simply upset that so many ethnic minorities should hold positions at the Home Office per se. But not only does that just seem petty and I cannot imagine His Grace to be such, but why then does it not bother him that so many Polish people should clean our houses and so many Koreans should manicure our nails? I assume he is not bothered in these cases because always having one's house cleaned by a Polish woman does not invoke a sense of danger.

7 July 2007 at 18:06  
Blogger Ed said...

29%! It's time for some positive discrimination I think.

7 July 2007 at 18:08  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Voyager - When you distinguish tax-payer funded institutions from others, you make a good point. But you do not knock down the point that Caroline Hunt is making.

She is saying that there is no conspiracy - or at least there is no reason to believe that there is. She is assuming that the Home Office is simply hiring people as they come along, and if there happen to be more ethnic minorities applying who are qualified (because they happen to live nearby), then the Home Office, without thinking about it, hires them.

You are saying they SHOULD think about it because they are tax-payer funded. Fine. Perhaps they should. But Caroline Hunt's point still stands and works well to support my own: which is that the Home Office is filled with incompetent staff who give no thought to anything and are certainly not involved in any conspiracy!

7 July 2007 at 18:17  
Anonymous Observer said...

We have all heard at infinitum stories of the police being racist, both institutionally and otherwise

Funny, my main complaint is that they are inefficient, incompetent, and inordinately expensive for what little they do in a country with some of the worst crime statistics in Europe

She is assuming that the Home Office is simply hiring people as they come along,

but she is completely wrong, and what is more I can find no excuse for her error. There is something seriously wrong if in areas of extreme sensitivity - take for instance the Croydon Centre which is a joint Foreign Office/Home Office facility processing visas.....just why are we employing Zimbabweans in there, and people who have been illegals themselves ?

Why do we allow them to shakedown applicants for sex in return for visa stamps ?

Why is the Head of the Immigration Service one Lin Homer, Labour Party former Chief Executive of Birmingham City Council and Returning Officer when carrier bags of votes were changing hands in car parks; or when Council staff embezzled £3 million ?

Why is the Head of a Government Department a political party member when Civil Servants are not allowed affiliations ?

If there are quotas to make public sector employees recruit ethnic minorities to reflect their presence in the population at large, there should be caps to prevent that ratio being exceeded or else the weighting is disproprtionate and discriminatory to any other group in society.

Taxpayers do not take kindly to having their taxes used in arbitrary and wasteful ways...obviously the size of the state budget must shrink drastically before impoverishment becomes the norm to feed The Moloch

7 July 2007 at 18:57  
Anonymous Observer said...

Lin Homer

Birmingham was treated to the surreal sight of the deputy council leader and the chief executive on different sides of a court room. The election commissioner, Richard Mawrey QC, cleared Mrs Homer, the returning officer, of the most serious allegations but did find fault with the way the election was run.

Ferrying completed postal votes to the count in plastic bags, contrary to election law, was "an act of the direst folly" and Mrs Homer allowed too many corners to be cut, Mr Mawrey declared.



Lin Homer has been appointed the new Director General of the Immigration and Nationality Directorate (IND), Home Office Permanent Secretary John Gieve announced today.

Lin Homer said:

"Making immigration and border controls work effectively is important to the whole country and to the people who use those services. I am looking forward to building on the significant improvements that have already been made and ensuring that we take the service forward efficiently and confidently."

Notes to Editors

1. A qualified solicitor Lin Homer has been Chief Executive of Birmingham City Council since October 2002 and was previously Chief Executive of Suffolk County Council (1997-2002) and Deputy Chief Executive at Hertfordshire County Council during her last three years with them.


Published: 21 May 2006

A chief immigration officer has been suspended by the Home Office following allegations that he offered to help a rape victim with her asylum application in return for sex.

James Dawute, who works at Lunar House in Croydon, south London, picked the 18-year-old Zimbabwean girl out of a queue of asylum seekers and asked for her telephone number. It is alleged in a report in The Observer that the 53-year-old made it clear in text messages and mobile phone calls that he was attracted to her and asked for her bank details so he could put money into her account.

The new case is the second time this year that staff at Lunar House have been at the centre of sleaze allegations. In January, ministers had to order an investigation into revelations published in The Sun that some officials were propositioning female visa applicants and allowing them to jump the queue.

Only two months ago, an official report into the behaviour of staff at Lunar House called for an overhaul of practices to prevent similar abuses occurring again. The inquiry found that, since 1997, at least four cases had been investigated in which visa applicants claimed they had been asked for sex.

Croydon 2

Remember The Observer's recent investigation into a senior immigration official accused of seeking sex from an 18-year-old Zimbabwean rape victim in exchange for helping her win her asylum claim. Look at Lunar House in Croydon, the immigration service's headquarters, where the vulnerable arrive in hope and linger in despair. Read the allegations of corrupt officers offering papers for £2,000 or so a case.

Mary Riddell
Sunday October 1, 2006
The Observer

7 July 2007 at 19:21  
Blogger Cranmer said...

...but I appreciate she is a Conservative and might not realise there is a deeper analysis than superficial.

Mr Voyager,

Please remember that it was a Conservative group which awarded His Grace his one and only award, ergo some of them must be capable of 'deeper analysis', or at least of appreciating it.

7 July 2007 at 19:46  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Well said Your Grace! I did mean to say something to Voyager regarding this comment. I am also confused because I had assumed that Voyager was a Conservative himself. What are you then, Voyager?

Observer, I don't disagree with anything you've said. You do a very good job of proving the point that the Home Office is riddled with incompetence. What you don't do is make an argument for the conspiracy. Just what are you saying exactly, that the Home Office deliberately hired James Dawute precisely because they knew he would ask for sex favours and this would therefore benefit

7 July 2007 at 20:02  
Anonymous VOyager said...

I am also confused because I had assumed that Voyager was a Conservative himself.

Assumptions are the fast-track to error

7 July 2007 at 20:52  
Anonymous CCTV said...

Just what are you saying exactly, that the Home Office deliberately hired James Dawute precisely because they knew he would ask for sex favours and this would therefore benefit

Surely you can see the point Observer makes,,,that inappropriate persons are being hired because of quotas that must be met and that some of these people are not of a fit standard to represent the nation in critical functions.....I should have thought that was obvious. Why do you refuse to see this ?

7 July 2007 at 20:55  
Anonymous CCTV said...


Nice article

7 July 2007 at 21:09  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

cctv - But I'm not refusing to see this. I said exactly this some time earlier in the conversation. In fact, I said it many times over. Read back, and you'll see.

Observer and His Grace seemed to be suggesting something more than this - that there was some kind of agenda going on. And that is the point I am refuting - or at least I am claiming that no one has yet built an argument sufficiently robust to prove it.

Voyager - You're keeping me in suspense here...

7 July 2007 at 22:06  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Voyager - You're keeping me in suspense here...

Cold shower will bring you much relief.

8 July 2007 at 08:07  

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