Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Margaret Thatcher

Cranmer simply wanted readers and communicants to bask in a little reflected glory today, and meditate upon this subject and her bronze sculpture which was unveiled at Conservative Central Headquarters yesterday.

For those who think this a little idolatrous, Cranmer says poppycock.

She is magnificent, simply quite magnificent.


Blogger Miss Jelly bean said...

Last I remember Cranmer, it was you who agreed with the notion of 'a litte idolotry'. Hmmmm... well I suppose worshiping humans is quite common in the Christian faith. You have Jesus, Thatcher...

19 February 2008 at 10:37  
Anonymous oiznop said...

Miss Jelly Bean what religion are you? Hindus worship human/animal hybrids, Buddhists have Buddha, Sikhs worship a book as a man, and Muslims have Mohammed - they weren't called Mohammedans for nothing.

I agree, Cranmer, she is magnificent because she radiates leadership. We haven't had that in the Conservative Party since her departure.

19 February 2008 at 11:52  
Anonymous red despot spotter said...

your grace
i appreciate its lent but i cannot comply with the request to give up either christ or margret thatcher, of course we knew what we were getting with mrs thatcher , and plenty complained but most thanked her and we would have turned into cuba or somthing.

i am reminded of the quote she gave when she enterd downing street for the first time , i think it was a a poem by st francis of assisi

"where there is darkness let there be light, where there is misery let there be hope etc etc .

you look at gordon brown and you miss the quality of her , i bet she would be upset at the none answer and dysfunctional parliment we have today.

hated perhaps by some , but she did exactly what it said on the tin, where as today we havent got a clue what nu labour stand for and what they do stand for seems to function badly or be corrupt.

thankyou for the contrast your grace .

19 February 2008 at 13:15  
Anonymous Jonathan Woss said...

Yeah but do you wank over her?

19 February 2008 at 15:15  
Blogger Johnny Norfolk said...

The greatest peace time PM.

It would never have been like it is now is she was PM.

I salute her.

19 February 2008 at 15:15  
Blogger Wrinkled Weasel said...

I was not always a great Thatcher fan, but history has been kind to her. Like Churchill, she was dumped. Like Churchill, she was a patriot. She displayed a strength of character and will under fire. She refused to "wobble". She ended the tyranny of the unions and protected us from the excesses of the EU.

Compare her to her riff raff succesors - they are an embarrasment to the office of Prime Minister. One has taken us to a disastrous war that we did not need and the other has taxed us to breaking point.Both have betrayed us on Europe.

She is one of the great Prime Ministers of our time. I met her once. She button-holed me and spent some time asking questions. She did not need to because I was nobody. Her flunkies were hopping from one foot to another, waiting to get her to the next thing, but she was oblivious - it was me and her. Somehow, I cannot imagine Blair or Brown doing that or being able to do that. Swoon.

19 February 2008 at 16:24  
Blogger The Bovina Bloviator said...

Due apologies to all those offended but to this Yank there was pretty much nobody between her and Churchill.

19 February 2008 at 17:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'The greatest peace time PM.'
Possibly. (Falklands War notwithstanding) but I imagine she would also have been magnificent in 1940

19 February 2008 at 17:26  
Blogger Wrinkled Weasel said...

By the way, Your Grace, thanks for linking to "To Miss with Love". She is very special.

19 February 2008 at 18:00  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Wrinkle Weasel
Thank you. You are kind.

Your Grace
And her success as a mother...?

19 February 2008 at 18:14  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Ms Snuffy,

And your success with your qualification for headship?

His Grace never said she was perfect; indeed, as any humble Methodist might, she acknowledged her sin and shortcomings many times, and in particular her failings as a mother.

Perhaps you might be more content for your evident ability in the classroom to be judged by the failings you may have had with any particular student, or member of staff, or your principal.

Being magnificent in government does not necessitate excellence in parenting, though experience of the latter may manifestly inform the former, even from the perspectives of regret and shortcoming.

19 February 2008 at 18:25  
Blogger mongoose said...

I too lurk over at Snuffles. Though I speak not for fear that my ignorance of secondary education may shine too fiercely. (Psst! The mongosling No1 starts at "Big School" next Sept. We sit quaking but not yet tearful.) Oops, digressing again...

Regret and shortcoming! Exactly. You might be surprised at the antiquity of my poor wizened bones as my first born heads off toward the abyss. Because we are relatively ancient, Mrs mongoose and I have more miles under our belts than the other shiny, pretties picking up their kids at the school-gate. I am sure that these miles - along with their regrets, their knowledge of shortcoming and the other scar tissue picked up along the way - give us a bit of mental room in which to manoeuvre when the brats come to the boil. Perhaps a bit of what I have learned to call (through gritted teeth) "maturity" helps in the raising of kids. Even if I can't swing a cricket ball any more.

19 February 2008 at 20:21  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Your Grace
Perhaps. But to have failed so spectacularly at something which you think holds a very high value (I believe) ... Well, it surprises me that she is not just respected by you, but adored...

Consistency Your Grace, consistency.

19 February 2008 at 23:54  
Blogger mongoose said...

Failure is not a sin, Snuffles.

20 February 2008 at 00:40  
Blogger AethelBald, King of Wessex said...

It is a mark of the increasingly ant-like society that we live in that, in my opinion, Margaret Thatcher cannot be fairly judged as a mother. Was Churchill a good father? Was Einstein? Is it possible to who work 60+ hours a week away from your children and be a good parent?

20 February 2008 at 08:22  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Please do feel free to comment on my blog in the future. And yes, of course failure isn't a sin! I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in His Grace's thinking. Having said that, perhaps he believes Thatcher to have been so outstanding in other respects, that he is able to forgive her failure at something he would normally consider so very important and vital to living a worthy life.

20 February 2008 at 17:45  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Ms Snuffy,

His Grace is pleased that you have identified what you believe to be inconsistencies in his thinking, though you have exposed his manifest ignorance also since he is oblivious to what these inconsistencies may be.

When he has attained your intellectual heights, spiritual enlightenment and cerebral consistency, it shall rejoice him much. The Lord knows, it is a long time in coming.

20 February 2008 at 17:58  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Your Grace
You make me laugh! Well, I moved from your post talking about fatherhood where you spoke of the arrogance of women who thought they had the right to children, whether or not their circumstances were right for it, to reading about your love for Thatcher which you yourself said was a little idolatrous.

So I pointed out that she was one of these women. She may not have been single, but she was certainly not someone who should have had children, given that she was not able to dedicate the time and emotion necessary for the job.

Yet you adore her. It is an inconsistency. But this inconsistency is consistent with your excentricity, and in that sense, perhaps makes sense.

Adoration of course is more to do with feeling, and is often irrational. I, for instance, am drawn to your blog - always - even though sometimes you can bother me with the things that you say. I like you, as you like her, irrationally, or not, as the case may be.

20 February 2008 at 21:37  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

With such an extraordinary parent the family was bound to need some re-balancing. But the children did have two parents, and various compensating advantages. Altogether was the family such a disaster? Close inspection of a great many "ordinary" unknown families would reveal all kinds of dysfunction, yet children are mostly resilient and survive, and it has always been so. Thank heavens for the deficiencies of Margaret Thatcher, from which this country benefited so enormously!

21 February 2008 at 11:18  
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