Monday, May 19, 2008

Abortion – do we need 24 weeks? 22 weeks? 20 weeks? 16 weeks?

O, reason the need! Our unborn children
Are in the poorest thing superfluous.
Allow not nature more than nature needs,
Man’s life is cheap as beast’s.

With a slight adaptation to the words of King Lear, this is one of the principal issues upon which our elected representatives shall occupy themselves over the next few days; the others being animal/human hybrids, ‘saviour siblings’, and the necessity of a father, all conveniently packaged in the utterly monstrous and profoundly immoral Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill.

The media persists in persecuting 'Catholics’ for their opposition to this Bill, with no mention at all of the Anglicans or those of other faiths, or those of no faith, or even of those 75 eminent scientists who have profound reservations about the Government’s motives and claims.

They might even consider the words of a current practising abortionist, Dr Vincent Argent, who is a consultant gynaecologist and a former acting medical director of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service.

Dr Argent is not remotely content with Nadine Dorries’ 20-week amendment. In The Daily Telegraph he argues for 16, yet even this is considerably more than other European nations, where the limits are:

France 12, Germany 12, Italy 12, Belgium 12, Bulgaria 12, Denmark 12, Czech Republic 12, Greece 12, Hungary 12, Luxembourg 12, the Netherlands 13, Poland 12, Slovakia 12 and Sweden, the most ‘liberal’, 18.

Yet the UK persists with child sacrifice up to 24 weeks.

Dr Argent was brought up a Roman Catholic, but says: ‘any religious beliefs I ever had have left me’. His opinion on late abortions is not formed by ‘religious bigotry’, but by ‘more than 30 years' experience in abortion services for the NHS and private clinics’ during which time he saw what was involved, and the ‘flimsy grounds on which some women sought them’, and thereafter he ‘could not stomach the idea of providing such a "service".’

The doctor notes that people do not realise just how distressing late abortions can be: ‘The procedure remains the last taboo. While heart and brain surgery are regularly shown on television, the reality of a late abortion has never been seen on British screens’.

Cranmer shall offer his blog to any such distressing footage if anyone wishes to send it to him. And he shall change platform if blogspot decide to censor it. If any doctors or nurses have an example of an aborted baby gasping for air as it is left to die on the side of a sink, or of a baby being sliced and carved in the mother’s womb so that it may be extracted limb by limb, or of a ‘partial birth’ abortion in which the baby’s head is crushed before it can take its first breath, please email Cranmer at the address above.

And for all those MPs who read Cranmer every Monday (the day on which the server logs on around 50 times), before you cast your votes today please just take a few minutes to read this harrowing account from The Spectator’s Coffee House:

Every so often a letter arrives in a columnist's mailbag that throws a hand grenade right into the middle of a long-held view. That happened to me last week following my article in which I urged caution before lowering the time limit on abortion from 24 to 20 weeks. The letter came from a Registered General Nurse who works on a gynaecological ward that regularly deals with late terminations. She apologised for the "unpleasant and upsetting aspects" of her letter but felt her points needed to be said. I agree, and felt it also warranted a wider audience.

Apparently, at 20 weeks, tablets can be given to kill the foetus prior to expulsion. But at 24 weeks it is sufficiently strong to survive the treatment and many are born with signs of life. "It is all too easy for people to picture a clump of cells or mush. People don't want to picture perfectly-formed miniature babies and I don't blame them, I was once the same," says Kay. "But having cut the umbilical cord on one who survived, then had to watch him gasp for breath for ten minutes on the side of a sink before he died, that sight will haunt me for ever."

The reason given for that particular termination was that the mother's current boyfriend had a toddler son who might get jealous of a new baby. It took them 21 weeks to come to that conclusion. Kay adds: "I know of two nurses who went off work with stress as a result of their experience with late terminations. I suffered horrendous nightmares and guilt for months. The guilt comes from the fact that you as a nurse cut the umbilical cord and, as dramatic as it sounds, we felt like murderers."

Kay doesn't believe in hounding or criminalising women who have to make this extremely tough decision owing to severe disability. Her misgivings are reserved solely for those who use termination as a form of contraception. Women who, up until last week, I hoped were few and far between. But, according to Kay, these terminations far outstrip those carried out because of fetal abnormality or genuine emotional distress. She says: "There are girls who come back five or six times demanding terminations and they get them. How can someone coming for their fifth termination be allowed to keep saying it is due to emotional distress? I should imagine in ten years' time the emotional distress of being allowed to have five terminations is going to take its toll. What is going on?"

Members of Parliament, in the name of Christ, take heed of such testimonies and stop this slaughter. If you have no time for religious opinion, then listen to scientific reason and the democratic majority, and call a halt to this evil infanticide.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the issue of women choosing to use abortion as a form of contraception may I , as a Child Protection lawyer, confirm that I have dealt with just such a case of a drug addicted mother who "could not get on" with the pill and so chose a series of such abortions. She, and the professionals who connived with this , seemed sanguine enough with this although the three children she chose to keep ( she has since had a 4th)lived through the emotion of wondering whether their sibling "en ventre sa mere" was going to live or die. What effect that will have on them and what the public cost of that might be can only be speculated about.

19 May 2008 at 09:30  
Anonymous The recusant said...

Amen, Amen and again Amen

19 May 2008 at 09:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a regular communicant, I was very interested to read Cranmer's views on this matter. However, while in no way wishing to censor his speech, I would suggest that he might consider providing a warning about the picture for this post.

Just as with the recent article about the woman in Zimbabwe, this image is indeed necessary, but may also cause distress. I have recently undergone a miscarriage and was most upset to see this unexpectedly.

19 May 2008 at 10:25  
Blogger Cranmer said...

His Grace does not usually respond to anonymice, but on this occasion is content to do so.

The Zimbabwe photographs were indeed appalling. And this aborted baby is no less so.

But on this matter Cranmer joins with the hundreds of doctors and nurses who see the barbarism that goes goes on every day and are appalled that the wider public do not. The media perpetuate the myth that abortion is simply a matter of terminating 'a bunch of unformed cells'.

Cranmer apologises for causing you distress after your own tragedy, but with abortion the largest cause of death in the EU, the issue is indeed distressing. And as with the Zimbabwe pictures, images cause people to sit up and take notice.

19 May 2008 at 10:42  
Anonymous Daniel said...

More half-truths about abortion limits.

Most of the limits you describe are only the "on demand" thresholds - which puts paid to the idea we have the most "liberal" abortion laws in Europe. See here for a thorough demolition of this argument and an explanation of the true limits of our EU neighbours.

19 May 2008 at 10:44  
Anonymous vincent mckenzie said...

It's difficult to believe that we do this. What has happened to us? Is it some kind of woman revenge power over man thing? Sick people who do this and justify it in their own minds.

19 May 2008 at 10:46  
Anonymous Silas Marner said...


Words are more powerful than photographs. Please, take down the desensitizing image.

--Yours in faith,
Silas Marner

19 May 2008 at 10:47  
Blogger Cranmer said...

His Grace shall not.

And rather wishes those who are now turning their wrath upon him for simply displaying the reality would instead turn their righteous anger upon our parliamentarians who have it within their power to do something about it.

19 May 2008 at 11:01  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace
Those in power know exactly what they are doing and choose to turn a blind eye. They get quite vindictive if the obvious is pointed out to them.


A 75-year-old man has been denied hip treatment after health officials warned him about sending hospital staff pictures of aborted foetuses.
Anti-abortion supporter Edward Atkinson has been jailed for 28 days for sending offensive photos to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital, King's Lynn, Norfolk.

The hospital said Atkinson had been banned from treatment for anything other than life-threatening conditions.

19 May 2008 at 11:23  
Anonymous John said...

Abortion might be considered a medical necessity to some, to others it could be considered a cultural imperative, but to many people abortion is an abomination akin to murder.

I remember my mother telling the family that she remembered a child with down's syndrome, she said "a family could wish for no greater love and affection that given by this little girl".

Today this child might be aborted because she would not match the apartment décor or parental lifestyle; does not abortion reflect the progress, or lack of, made by humanity.

19 May 2008 at 13:15  
Anonymous Terry said...

Abortion has the support it enjoys because its true nature is hidden. While it is hidden we simply have a nice debate with abstract concepts such as rights, choice etc...

But once you see the pictures, you are without excuse - we tend to think we are all failry nice and reasoanable, but once you have seen the horror of what aborted babies really look like, you cannot pretend anymore - we wonde at how ordinary people got behind the Nazis, and this gives some idea...

to everyone who supports abortion, google "pictures of unborn babies"...

19 May 2008 at 13:31  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

your grace
i can quite easily understand how an abortion may have a humane angle , particulary if a woman has been raped .

but i think what is being argued here is the time limit , in more moral world of course one would have to take up the responsibilities of parenthood and so end the practice as you have termed it as infanticide.

i agree to 16 weeks a woman can know if she is pregnant and the abortion has less physical side effects although the emotional ones often cause problems.

i appreciate i may being a bit morally weak but my arrival to gods house was a little late in life , so my youth expenses do not give me the right to hold too high a ground.

but i do think personal responsibility in these areas needs addressing , but let us not forget that having children also entitles the poor to benefits , and that for some "victims" of unexpected pregnency it may be a way out for them.

i think the sad situation is those who have repeated abortions what is going on there are they young girls or older women ??

19 May 2008 at 13:41  
Anonymous oiznop said...


Don't remove the photo, and don't take any notice of your critics.

Your blog is doing a great deal of good and providing an invaluable service. If this mesage of the abortion holocaust reaches just a few thousand more, including a few MP's or those who write to MP's, you can expect opposition but you should be used to that.

19 May 2008 at 13:43  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

There is a variety of person, a person who may identify themselves as "feminist", for whom the of the holy well of grace was made bottomless. For indeed, those who have murdered their humanity, murdered their children, murdered their souls; the well of grace must necessarily be infinite for them.

"Myself, I'd as soon weep over my taken tonsils or my absent appendix as snivel over those abortions. I had a choice, and I chose life - mine."

19 May 2008 at 13:46  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

Sorry for a second post on your blog today, but may I draw to your attention some late pro abortion amendments that have been tabled by Evan Harris (Liberal Democrat, Abingdon), Ms. Chris McCafferty (Labour, Calder Valley), John Bercow (Conservative, Buckingham) and Katy Clark MP (Labour, North Ayrshire and Arran).


If passed, these will make abortions in Britain more easily available throughout pregnancy.

The amendments set out new circumstances under which only one doctor approves an abortion, both before and after the upper limit for most abortions. Also, medical practitioners will no longer have to form their opinion 'in good faith' which applies all situations under the current abortion law.

There are other changes proposed by the MPs which reduce accountability on the part of doctors. These amendments will send the message to doctors: 'when you decide a woman should have an abortion, you don't need to justify your decision or worry about what other doctors will think'.

If MPs vote for such amendments they will show they care as little for health and welfare of women as they do for unborn children.

Could you urge your communicants to contact their MPs to ask them to vote against these and any other pro-abortion amendments tomorrow, Tuesday, 20th May. MPs can be contacted by calling the parliamentary switchboard 020 7219 3000 or through

19 May 2008 at 14:10  
Blogger Tomrat said...

"Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD." Leviticus 18:21

Pretty self-explanatory. I wont weep over those children murdered though - only for the souls of their parents unwittingly caught up in demon worship.

19 May 2008 at 15:03  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Tomrat,

His Grace thanks you for this quotation, which he has deployed above.

19 May 2008 at 15:17  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

Exodus 22:18 : You shall not suffer a witch to live

19 May 2008 at 15:23  
Blogger Tomrat said...

"Myself, I'd as soon weep over my taken tonsils or my absent appendix as snivel over those abortions. I had a choice, and I chose life - mine"

"For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."
Matthew 16:25 NASB

19 May 2008 at 15:42  
Anonymous billy said...

I've said it here before but nearly 40 years ago I saw a miscarried baby of about 20 weeks in a bucket.
It was perfectly formed in every way.
These children are murdered by medics.

19 May 2008 at 17:14  
Blogger Man in a Shed said...

The underlying problem is that the late abortionists and their media supporters don't fear the judgement of God.

Imagine their horror when they find out they were wrong.

19 May 2008 at 20:06  
Anonymous Martin said...

In a recent (30 April 2008) article for "The Independent" David Steel congratulates himself for introducing the Abortion Act and praises the CofE for inspiring him:

"...what helped me at the time was the report that the Church of England had produced in 1965 called Abortion: An Ethical Discussion, which I still maintain to this day is the best argued document from a Christian standpoint in favour of having a positive law on abortion. And it counteracted better than I could the arguments of the Roman Catholic Church. I had no difficulty reconciling my Christianity with abortion law reform. That remains true today."

6.7 million abortions later, David Steel can reassure himself that he did the right thing: "People sometimes say that there are too many abortions. But the response is not to make the abortion law more restrictive, it is to have much better sex and relationships education, and much better provision of birth control services." He didn't seem to see the irony in that statement.

Pity the established church played such a key part in inspiring the Abortion Act.

20 May 2008 at 02:16  
Blogger J said...

If abortion is murder, then you must argue not to reduce the time limit but instead for a total ban.

20 May 2008 at 05:16  
Blogger Tomrat said...


More so do I believe that the church and state have too long been in the pockets of politicians.

Regarding better sex and relationship education this is something I happen to agree with, but doubt wholeheartedly that I would see eye to eye on what the authorities are teaching...

The burden for this lies with the parents here.


A full ban isn't on the table for offer; my concern isn't for the children murdered (I cannot imagine my Saviour condemning these children to eternity without a chance to begin with - they are a blessing that he will just pass on to others more deserving), but for the parents and medics engaging in their murder - as I pointed out to his grace this is little more than state approved Molech worship and these people are unwittingly (in most cases I would hope) engaging in old world demon worship, pure and simple.

20 May 2008 at 08:28  
Blogger Tomrat said...

Your grace,

Incidentally I have just tried putting the same quotation from Leviticus, sans my original comment here, through the HYS Section on the BBC website. Can you guess which way it went through moderation?

20 May 2008 at 12:08  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

"relationships education"

Oh okay children. Here's how to find true love and have mind blowing sex every day.

20 May 2008 at 23:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Tomrat has identified an important area of concern/ investigation about the BBC and its censorship of legitimate debate. Is this not something we need to look at in greater detail?

22 May 2008 at 09:35  
Blogger Tomrat said...

Anon 09:35,

There is little point - the BBC have stapled their leftist censuring credentials to the wall on many of the important matters of the day; ommission of my comment just goes to prove it when they can allow blasphemy on their TV channels.

There bed is made and the Lords justice follows swiftly.

As for the abortion issue we should be more concerned with the smoke and mirrors campaign on many other, and as important issues - such as the fact that the Lords ruling on the EU Lisbon Treaty was passed with minimal (if any; I didn't see it) mention by the MSM at the same time as the Abortion/Fertility law changes; less power and more straw men sitting in Whitehall fiddling with the metaphorical deck chairs of whats left of governance of this country; a judgement on this land for its Godlessness that it be ruled by foreigners.

22 May 2008 at 09:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Out of sight out of mind, these pictures need a wider audience if we are to reverse the genocidal policies of our Establishment Elite.

They are now proposing to sterilise British Schoolgirls, No douby EU Voting races will be spared this on Religious grounds.

22 May 2008 at 13:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well done ladies, leaving it to 24 Weeks, what are you thinking.

There is simply no need.

Come on Ladies please get your act together this is an abhorrant practice.

6 Million to date.

22 May 2008 at 14:09  

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