Tuesday, February 17, 2009

Archbishop of Canterbury: ‘Society is coming round to my views on sharia’

According to The Sunday Telegraph, the Archbishop of Canterbury has defended his controversial comments about the introduction of Islamic law to Britain and claimed that ‘public opinion is now behind him’.

If this were true, he should stand for election. And Cranmer would be happy to stand against him.

Except that Dr Williams said no such thing.

This is shoddy and amateur reporting, and only serves as fuel to other reactionary Telegraph journalists who make a living out of prejudicially railing against the Church of England and unjustly impugning the character of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

What the Archbishop actually said was that ‘a number of fairly senior people’ now share his view that the incorporation into UK law of some aspects of Shari’a ‘seems inevitable’. There was no assertion that ‘public opinion is now behind him’, for ‘a number of fairly senior people’ hardly constitutes ‘public opinion’. Instead, he talks of a ‘drift of understanding’ towards what he was saying.

And that there certainly is.

And on this ‘drift of understanding’, he added in a self-deprecating manner, ‘...perhaps I like to think so’. There is no suggestion that this ‘drift of understanding’ constitutes positive affirmation; indeed, there is an expression of humility. It might have assisted if he Archbishop had talked of the limits of Shari’a or the identities of these ‘fairly senior people’. For they are unnamed, unless one be former Lord Chief Justice the Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers.

Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, is quite wrong to lay the blame at the feet of Dr Williams for the Shari’a phenomenon. He said the Archbishop ‘has started a process which is deeply dangerous, damaging to Britain and to Muslim women in Britain. It was a wicked move because it undermines the progressives and gives succour to the extremists’.

Except that Dr Williams did not start this process: he does not possess the authority to permit Shari’a courts in the UK. That was a decision taken by the Government, and they seem content to have these courts arbitrating on matters concerning the family and finance. But it suits the pathologically anti-Anglican journalists at The Telegraph to lay the blame upon the shoulders of the Archbishop, for he looks a little odd, and his pronouncements are usually inaccessible to their GCSE-level of comprehension.

One wonders why they have not blamed the Archbishop for:

Shari’a school dinners
Shari’a banking
Shari’a pizza
Shari'a criminal justice
Shari’a religious tolerance
Shari’a education (Warning: upsetting and graphic imagery)
Shari’a sex equality
Shari’a homophilia
Shari’a freedom of speech

If the Church of England were responsible for all this, the Church of Rome must be responsible for all the social upheavals and ills that have inflicted Europe since AD312.


Anonymous Shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

Nevertheless, Rowan Williams has long experience as a left-wing surrender-monkey (or should that be 'surrender-primate'?)

"Whilst chaplain of Clare College, Cambridge, Williams took part in anti-nuclear demonstrations at United States bases. In 1985, he was arrested for singing psalms as part of a protest organized by the Committee for Nuclear Disarmament at Lakenheath, an American air base in Suffolk; his fine was paid by his college.

...In reference to Al Qaeda, he claimed that terrorists "can have serious moral goals" and that "Bombast about evil individuals doesn't help in understanding anything."


17 February 2009 at 09:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"for he looks a little odd, and his pronouncements are usually inaccessible to their GCSE-level of comprehension."

I have 2 degrees but I find the archbishop incomprehensible at all times. And his wild and woolly appearance is not merely odd, it is genuinely frightening.

17 February 2009 at 10:58  
Blogger Catholic Observer said...

The Archbishop's woolly appearance matches his woolly modus operandi.

17 February 2009 at 11:05  
Anonymous Gnostic said...

Perhaps the Archbishop would be better understood if he actually stated his opinion in plain English instead of couching it in a woolly vagueness that leaves it open to headline grabbing misinterpretation.

17 February 2009 at 11:05  
Blogger The Heresiarch said...

Is this not remarkably like Peter Mandelson's comments that "the people who matter" support British membership of the Euro?

17 February 2009 at 11:16  
Blogger Indigo said...

You can't charm deadly serpents for ever, unless of course you happen to be one your self.

Its a strange game that's being played: Do nothing and you lose, play the game with your best hand, and the casino loves you. But those of us with nothing to lose, have everything to gain Mr Williams. History laughs already.

17 February 2009 at 11:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always maintain that in a situation where most people do not know where they are going, the few who do will have their way for better or worse. The problem is not Sharia, the problem is us. Rather than whinge about what Muslims want, who clearly do know their own minds, we should be articulating our own philosophy. That's the crux of the problem. The Muslim religion is not about to change, we need to do the changing. But please don't think I'm pitching for the BNP - God forbid!

17 February 2009 at 11:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am perhaps more critical of Williams than others, but I have always thought he is just a fool.

Perhaps he should be made Archbishop of Riyadh, and sent immediately to begin building his congregation, as part of his outreach effort to the MUzzies.

17 February 2009 at 11:46  
Blogger Roy said...

Does that "number of fairly senior people" that his Archbishship says agrees with him include his pal Lord Ahmed or perhaps he's been talking to Gert Wilders.

17 February 2009 at 11:52  
Blogger Dave H said...

One shouldn't find such things amusing, but a man who founded a TV channel dedicated to improving the public image of Islam has just be charged with, er, beheading his wife.

17 February 2009 at 12:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your reverence for your misunderstood superior is touching. He is, however, muddled. A call for adherence to the THE law of England and Wales would have been more in order.

What does it take for the UK to realise that the Asiatic horde you have imported has brought a seige engine with it instead of a passport? Unless you fight you will be vanquished. The Archbishop has a unique and privileged position. With that position goes the responsibility of leadership. His dithering statements make him complicit with the feeble minds that issue the daily decrees that the siege engine crew have a right to go about their business.

What has taken more than a millenium to establish and is anchored on the new and old testament is about to be buried by the theology of an immoral Arab.
Dr Williams may not have started this process but he is definitely in a position to influence the fray. It will not get him liked, but he is well down the path of being disliked, disrespected, and irrelevant now.

I pray the man finds courage and sense.


17 February 2009 at 12:19  
Blogger Indigo said...

The Universe shall be your judge

I set out on a longest road
to seek answers from death itself
I set out to the black sacred stream
to seek out and shoot a white swan

Embraced by gloomy mists I was
on those desolate and stony paths
I descended from a mountain to a vale
from day to night I went

I reached the shore and I bent down
to hide among the shadows
and there I saw it come toward
to float into my view, the swan

I took the arrow and raised my bow
I aimed below the graceful neck
under the white of its’ breast
inside the red of its’ heart

The calm surface of black river
reflected the sky and a pale moon
and there I caught a glimpse of myself
before the vision shattered

An arrow hit me from the water
a serpent ripped apart my mind
the pain my sense destroyed
the slash went through my heart

Now I fall into the black river
into the jaws of death
I dissolve into this stream
and vanish in gory mire

My last sight a white swan
behind the swan a starless sky
under the sky a coal black river
in river reflected a bone white moon

Someone slipped from a shadow to another
someone crawled from a hideout to another
someone disappeared on the road invisible
someone ended into the endless

17 February 2009 at 12:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bring back the juggler!

You're rubbish.

Get help indigo

17 February 2009 at 12:47  
Blogger Si Hollett said...

Your Grace, you must not forget that the Archbishop's comments on Sharia were completely and utterly misunderstood by the press, due to the academic nature of the talk and the anti-academic nature of the press.

Would your Grace really want to stand against freedom of conscience on issues like gay adoption and abortion, which was what the ABC in that talk wanted to protect? He was arguing against an 'atheocracy' (my term - a Government that forces people to act like there is no God), while equally arguing against a theocracy.

From what I gather from what you write, you support the sentiment of the talk where they got the Sharia soundbite (and completely the wrong meaning), your Grace.

17 February 2009 at 13:07  
Blogger Indigo said...

In his own eyes, however, Boethius was not primarily a theologian, but a scholar of ancient philosophy. Platonism is at the heart of his thinking, but it is the key to more that just his intellectual outlook. It had the ironic double effect of abbreviating his earthly life while assuring his literary immortality.

His commitment to Platonism launched him on the political career that proved to be his downfall. Politics degenerates unless good men do their part, Plato said, so Boethius overcame his reluctance to hold office and served Rome with great distinction for more than two decades. He rose to be Consul of Rome in 510 and then in 522 was appointed to Rome’s highest civil service position, that of chief administrative officer, or Magister Officiorum, of the Western Empire. In that position he was next in power only to the ruler, Theodoric.

17 February 2009 at 13:14  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Si Hollett,

If you read the link to His Grace's original article on the matter, you will see that he accords with all that you infer from his writings.

17 February 2009 at 13:16  
Blogger Indigo said...

Anonymous 12:47

I have not been rat hunting for many years, or so I thought. One frustrating element to rat hunting is sometimes not knowing if one's shooting is hitting the mark, due their wretched skill at skulking concealment. However, occasionally one is granted the satisfaction of stumbling across a wounded specimen squirming and hissing in pain, it has an enormously restorative effect on one's sense of mission.

17 February 2009 at 14:00  
Blogger Jabba the Cat said...

The idiotic fruitbat should have been drowned in a vat of communion wine years ago.

17 February 2009 at 14:02  
Blogger Indigo said...

I'm done with seeking help anyway.

17 February 2009 at 15:32  
Blogger Indigo said...

Speaking of help. As far as I am concerned you have to be insane to be a Muslim and actually believe all that pap, so imagine my shock-horror when I go to see the doctor only to discover that he is .....! Gasp, I pinch myself, and think to myself, what a wonderful world....

17 February 2009 at 17:00  
Blogger ZZMike said...

"What the Archbishop actually said was that ‘a number of fairly senior people’ now share his view that the incorporation into UK law of some aspects of Shari’a ‘seems inevitable’."

Unless, of course, you do someting abou it.

I definitely urge you all to do something about it. Perhaps Your Worship's "winning team" might be a step in the right direction.

Anonymous George: "... a seige engine with it instead of a passport?"

That is the most apt metaphor I've seen yet. The barbarians are not at the gates, they're inside the walls.

17 February 2009 at 18:13  
Anonymous len said...

Revelation 3 :15, `I know your deeds,that you are neither cold nor hot,I wish that you were cold or hot`.
The lukewarm church coasting into oblivion.
Can these bones live?
Only by the power of the Holy Spirit.


17 February 2009 at 18:31  
Blogger Indigo said...

I remember way back when I was about five or six, and I heard the Nonah's Ark story for the first time, and it was like "uh oh, its going to be a long day"!

17 February 2009 at 18:35  

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