Sunday, April 19, 2009

Geert Wilders – On Liberty (and the sequel to ‘Fitna’)

This speech is worth listening to. It was made during Geert Wilders’ recent visit to the United States of America (which Mr Wilders was permitted to enter, unlike the UK, to the Prime Minister's great shame). Mr Wilders was speaking in Beverly Hills, California, at the behest of the David Horowitz Freedom Centre.

Rumour has it that Mr Wilders has secured ‘Hollywood backing’ for a sequel to Fitna. Cranmer is unsure of the meaning of ‘Hollywood backing’, but anything which might improve on the quality (cinematography, script, score, direction, production, distribution – the lot) of Fitna is to be welcomed.

The new film is to focus on the threat to free speech of mass Muslim immigration and the ‘Islamisation' of Europe and the United States. It is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2010.

Geert Wilders leads the Freedom Party PVV in the Dutch Parliament, and is presently awaiting trial for his ‘anti-Islamic’ views. Significantly, recent opinion polls show that if an election were to be held in the Netherlands now, the PVV would become the largest party, ahead of coalition government parties the Christian Democrat CDA and Labour PvdA.

This might have interesting effects on the forthcoming elections to the ‘European Parliament’ in June.

For those who prefer to read rather than listen, here is the text of the speech:

Ladies and gentlemen.

It is really great to be here in California. It is very kind of you to give me the opportunity to escape from the wind, cold and rain in my own beautiful country, the Netherlands. I thank the David Horowitz Freedom Center for inviting me.

Ladies and gentlemen, free speech is no longer a given in Europe. What we once considered a natural element of our existence, our birth right, is now something we once again have to battle for. To exercise free speech has become a dangerous activity.

As you may know, I will be prosecuted in the Netherlands, because of my short documentary Fitna and my view concerning what some call ‘a religion of peace’. On top of that, also France and Jordan are considering to prosecute me for my view on Islam and the United Kingdom government did not allow me to enter their country. And the President of Indonesia declared that I will never be allowed to enter Indonesia as long as I live.

So a special thanks to the United States border police for letting me enter this country. It feels good to be allowed entering a country once in a while.

But ladies and gentlemen, before I talk about freedom of speech, I will say a few things about Islam and Sharia law first.

Allow me to give you a brief introduction to Islam, an Islam 101. The first thing everyone needs to know about Islam is the importance of the Koran. As you probably know the Koran calls for submission, hatred, violence, murder, terrorism and war. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill non-Muslims. The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs. The biggest problem is that the Koran is to be considered as Allah’s personal word, with orders that need to be fulfilled regardless of place or time. That’s the reason why the Koran is not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims, but a moderate Islam does not exist. As the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan once said: “There is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam”. For once I have to agree with this islamist Turkish Prime Minister.

And let it be clear to anyone: I have no problem with Muslims, my fight is not against any person or group of persons. However, I have enormous problems with the dangerous and violent Islamic ideology.

The second thing everyone needs to know about Islam is the importance of the prophet Muhammad. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Well let me tell you the truth about this so called prophet anyway. Muhammad was a warlord, a conqueror, a pedophile and a mass murderer. Islamic tradition tells us how he married and consumed the young girl Aisha long before she was ten years of age and how he fought in battles, how he murdered his enemies, how he slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. For millions of Muslims the Koran and the life of Muhammad are not ancient history but an inspiration. And if you critisize either the Koran or the Prophet or Islam as such, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You will receive death threats from all over the world and will be taken to court all over the world. Your national flag will be burned and your embassies might be set on fire, your country could face economical boycotts and the political leaders of your own home country will not support you but appease Muslims and Muslim governments, join them in their political correct outrage and label you as a radical or xenophobe. When criticism becomes unpleasant freedom of speech has to take another lane.

About Islam. Let no one fool you about Islam being just a religion. Sure, it has its God – Allah – a holy book - the Koran -, temples - mosques - and even a here-after. If you murder enough Jews you might even get 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology and a totalitarian ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every man and woman. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life and society and prohibits individual, political and religious rights and freedoms. Islam is not compatible with our Western civilization or democracy, nor will it ever be, because Islam doesn’t want to coexist, it wants to submit and set the entire agenda. Islam means submission from muslims over non-Muslims - kafirs - like you and me, so there cannot be any mistake about its goal. Islam’s end goal, for all time, is to dominate, to dominate and once again dominate and establish a world ruled by Islam.

That, ladies and gentlemen, that is why Winston Churchill compared the Koran to Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf as the famous Italian writer Orianna Fallaci did and why the brave Californian psychiatrist Dr. Wafa Sultan rightfully said about the clash between the West and Islam that it is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between rationality and barbarity.

As you know, the current Islamization of Europe is not an invasion like those we have seen in the past. This time it is not a military invasion with swords, this time we have to deal with a stealth invasion. Nowadays, the armies are replaced by cultural relativism and mass-immigration. It is this dangerous cocktail that is the main cause of the Islamization and is responsible for the introduction of Sharia law in Europe.

As you know, Sharia is Islamic law, effective in barbaric countries such as Saudi-Arabia and Iran. Beheadings, hangings, chopping off hands and feet, stoning to death, lashings, it all happens because Sharia law prescribes it. Now, radical Muslims want to implement Sharia law into our Western societies. And they are very successful in doing so, helped by the Western cultural relativists – the ‘useful idiots’, as former Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin described the unknowingly who helped his cause. In my favorite country Britain, Sharia courts are now officially part of the legal system. Very few people over here are aware of that. They have been empowered to adjudicate on financial disputes, divorces and domestic violence. And there are much more examples of the rising of Sharia in Europe: Halal food is served in many schools and universities, more women every day are forces to wear the burqa or niqaab, Islamic banks are mushrooming and polygamy, female genital mutilation, honor killings and Muslim men who refuse to shake women hands are all part of 2009-Europe.

A few weeks ago a British Muslim leader told of his vision of Britain under Sharia law. According to the British Evening Standard Anjem Choudary wants a pure Islamic state with Sharia law in Britain, ‘the flag of Allah’ flying over Downing Street. Ladies and gentlemen, this would mean the end of our precious liberties even though with Gordon Brown in office one might not easily see the difference.

Sharia means the end of our hard won freedom, for Sharia law denies the equality of men and women and Muslims and non-Muslims, it does not allow Muslims to leave Islam, renegades, apostates must be killed according to Islam as you know. Sharia advocates slavery and does not recognize democracy. As a matter of fact sharia is exactly the opposite of democracy.

Unfortunately, among European Muslims the support for this creeping Sharia law is substantial. Last year the British Center for Social Cohesion released a survey held under British Muslim students. Some outcomes were horrifying: 32 percent said killing in the name of religion can be justified and 40 percent supported the introduction of Sharia law into British law.

But please be aware, also the USA is in the process of Islamization. There are numerous examples. For instance: Muslim cab drivers who refuse to transport passengers possessing alcohol or guide dogs. Muslim students demanding separate housing on campus, and separate hours for Muslim women in gyms and swimming pools. USA journalist who self-censor themselves afraid of being sewed and taken to court.
As I said, these Muslims are aided by present-day ‘useful idiots’. A classic example is the former Dutch Attorney General, Mr. Donner. After Dutch film maker and Islam criticaster Theo van Gogh was murdered by a Jihadist in the streets of Amsterdam, he was of the opinion that blasphemy should no longer be a dead letter, and a few years later he even said the Netherlands should introduce Sharia law if a two third majority would support it.

Fortunately some politicians are not giving in. Former Republican US Congressman Tom Tancredo is one of those heroes. Last year he introduced his counter-Sharia ‘Jihad Prevention Act’. This bill would bar the entry of people who advocate Sharia law. This is exactly what the West needs: Brave leaders who have the courage to do something against the growing Islamization.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have to stop the Islamization of the West. Because if we don’t, we will roll back centuries, it will mean the end of our civilization. If we don’t act now, we will betray our Western values, we will lose our culture, we will lose our democracy and we will lose the dearest of our many liberties: the right to speak our mind.

The biggest disease of Europe today is cultural relativism. The fault concept of political correct liberals that all cultures are equal. Well let me tell you: they are not. Our Western culture based on Christianity, Judaism and humanism is far better than the barbaric Islamic culture.

Let me also tell you that Israel is one of us. The jihad against Israel is a jihad against the entire West. Its not a territorial dispute and the Islamic jihad will not stop after territorial concessions. We all should support Israel, the only democracy in the entire Middle East.

Unfortunately, as I stated in the beginning of my short lecture, free speech already is no longer a given in Europe.

Last February, I tried to visit Britain, a fellow EU country. I was invited to give a speech in the House of Lords. However, upon arrival at Heathrow airport, I was refused entry into the UK, and sent back to the Netherlands. I would have liked to be able to remind the audience of a great man who once spoke in the British House of Commons. In 1982 President Ronald Reagan – former Governor of this great state, California – gave a speech that very few Europeans appreciated. Reagan called upon the West to reject communism and defend freedom. He introduced a new phrase: ‘evil empire’. Reagan’s speech stands out as a clarion call to preserve our liberties. I quote: “If history teaches anything, it teaches self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly”. What Reagan meant is that you cannot run away from history, you cannot escape the dangers of ideologies that are out to destroy you. Denial is not an option.

Just like the British ban, the decision of the Amsterdam Court of Appeals to prosecute me for Fitna and my views on Islam, is a major blow dealt to freedom of speech in Europe. They are full-fledged attacks on freedom of speech in order to appease Muslims. Both are major victories for Islam and for all who hate freedom of speech.

Whether or not I end up in jail is not the most important issue. I gave up my freedom more than 4 years ago. I am under full-time police protection ever since, because of death threats from Muslims and terrorist groups linked to Al Qaeda. In the last few years, I lived in different safe houses, army barracks and yes, even in prison cells in order to be safe. But it’s not about me, it is not about Geert Wilders. The real question is: Will free speech be put behind bars?

We have to defend freedom of speech. I propose the withdrawal of all hate speech legislation in Europe. I propose a European First Amendment. In Europe we should defend freedom of speech like you Americans do. Recently I showed Fitna in the heart of your great democracy, in the US Senate at the invitation of Senator Kyle, while the European Parliament banned my film twice both in Strasbourg and Brussels. Europe should take America as a model. In Europe, freedom of speech should be extended, instead of restricted.

Besides a European First Amendment, I propose a boycott of the UN Human Rights Council. And not just because the worst violaters of human rights are member of this council. Recently this terrifying Council – even Saudi-Arabia has a seat – adopted a resolution that attempts to kill free speech and the concept of human rights. The resolution on ‘Combating defamation of religions’ does not protect individuals, but shields Islam from criticism. It calls upon UN member states to provide legal protection against defamation of religions. Of course this resolution initiated by the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) is about islam. The true goal of this resolution is to silence people who criticize Islam. Let there be no mistake about it: The UN Human Rights Council is a threat to free speech in the Western world.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is a few minutes to 12. In 2009-Europe, Islam is calling for our destruction and free speech is already on trial. If we go on like this, we are heading for the end of European civilization.

Fortunately, many people think like you and me about freedom and liberty. Millions know that liberty is the most precious of gifts. Freedom loving people have not yet forgotten to whom we owe our liberties. These were not offered to us on a silver platter, but were bitterly fought for. American soldiers fought, bled and died for the freedom of Europe. We owe something to these men and women. Their legacy cannot be squandered and given away. American soldiers did not die for an Islamized Europe. They died for a free Europe.

Ladies and gentlemen, if we want to defend our freedom, if we truly want to withstand the evil forces of Islam, if we want to survive, we need less cowards and more heroes. We need to prevail and therefore we have to elect new leaders, brave leaders. Leaders who will protect our values, our culture, leaders who will defend our freedom, leaders who will stop cultural relativism and mass immigration from Islamic countries, leaders who will defy Islam. Leaders who are fighters like Churchill, Thatcher or Reagan instead of appeasers like Chamberlain and Gordon Brown. We have too many Chamberlains and Browns in world politics today. To many politicians who are giving in and giving up and bargaining our freedom away for political or economical benefit.

But let me end with some good news. The good news is that normal people in Europe like in my own country The Netherlands are increasingly fed up with politicians ignoring our fight for freedom. A growing amount of people want to stop the islamization of our societies. A growing amount of people want to fight for the freedom of speech and want to preserve our precious free societies, rule of law and democracy for our children and their children. The old political elite is losing support. New political parties who fight for freedom are gaining strength in many European countries. Like my own party - the Freedom Party - we started as a new party and took part in the national Dutch elections for the first time two and a half years ago. Then we became the fifth party in our ten party parliament with 9 seats out of the 150-seats our parliament has. But in the polls today we are the number 1 party of the Netherlands with not 9 but 32 parliamentary seats. An enormous increase of support. Many politicians of the old ruling parties in my country almost get a nervous breakdown by the idea that I might be the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

There is panic indeed in and between the old ruling political parties who thought they would never be challenged. Who thought that they would always be in power.
Well let me tell you they should be in panic. Because it will only get worse for them. Because we will not stop anymore. Not today, not tomorrow, old times are gone. The public want new politics and new vision and what they will get.

And we will never stop fighting for freedom. As a matter of fact, the more they threaten us with death threats, fatwas or their legal jihad, the more determined we become to continue.

My message to those who oppose our fight for freedom is as follows.
We will never compromise on freedom.
We will never compromise on liberty.
We will never appease to Islam.
We will never give in, never give up, never submit to totalitarianism again.

Ladies and gentleman we should all make a difference.

Because every individual has a responsibility to make a difference when our freedom is at stake.

And we can make a difference, we have the privilege to live in a democracy, and we should never take that for granted. We are responsible to preserve our freedom and we have to take that responsibility at whatever price it may cost.

For losing our freedom in no alternative.

Freedom is the most precious gift we can and must give to generations to come.
Ladies and gentleman thank you so much for kind attention.

It was a privilege for me to speak to you.
Thank you so much.


Blogger Demetrius said...

Quis custodiet ipsos custodies?

19 April 2009 at 11:33  
Anonymous Brian said...

Is there any British politician who has the guts to stand up to Islam like Geert Wilders?

Judging by the performance of the PVV, such policies would bring electoral success, though maybe at the risk of a few fatwas.

19 April 2009 at 12:05  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

Standing up and applauding (you can't see me but it is happening).


19 April 2009 at 12:25  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

This is a terrible situation.Religious freedom should not extend to barbarism such as fatwas,amputation and the like.Who would want to be part of a religion like this anyway?Are there dire penalties if you decide to leave?Maybe that's why Muslims don't speak out.Anyway you can't go on like this... so Brits what are you going to do about it?Cranmer with his important connections must have a few ideas.

19 April 2009 at 12:33  
Anonymous Joshua said...

Gooday Sydney!

No mate, this is the whole point of freedom of speech, it will mean that we can speak out and stop such things, as opposed to being gagged and tied up while the appeasers ram it down our throats.

19 April 2009 at 12:45  
Blogger Christian-Jedi-Alliance said...

I think what Geert is saying is that we need leaders of true grit and courage.

Put the kettle on Harrold

19 April 2009 at 13:01  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

I have seen no mention of this on the MSM and that is disturbing. I would have thought that highlighting the differences in freedoms between the USA and the UK would be newsworthy. It seems that our MSM is there for the purposes of Government propaganda only.

19 April 2009 at 13:20  
OpenID britologywatch said...

Clearly, this so-called advocate of freedom and freedom of speech does not believe the same freedoms should be extended to Muslims. In the 'vision' statement of his party's website, he calls for "prohibiting foreign imams from giving sermons and enforcing the use of Dutch in mosques" (like forcing Latin-rite Catholics to use modern languages, but more so). [Original text: "Preekverbod buitenlandse imams, verplichting tot spreken van Nederlandse taal in gebedshuizen".]

So much for the freedom of individuals with controversial (even fascistic) political views to propagate those views in other countries: one standard for Wilders, and one for Muslims.

In addition, he believes in promoting "voluntary repatriation" of immigrants (well, we know what that means) and he adovcates "administrative detention for terrorism" (hmm, sounds like New Labour's control orders).

And what's with all this 'cultural relativism' stuff? Isn't that the freedom to believe and advocate what you want? And what are the 'cultural absolutes' with which Wilders would like to replace relativism? Are these Christian or liberal-secular? He deliberately avoids answering this question with his vague notion of some sort of homogeneous 'Christian-Judaic-humanist' Western culture. But one thing that is clear is that he would impose his cultural norms on the Netherlands: his party programme calls for a "New article 1 of the Constitution: Christian / Jewish / humanist culture must remain dominant in the Netherlands" ["Nieuw artikel 1 van de Grondwet: christelijk/joods/humanistische cultuur moet in Nederland dominant blijven"].

Yes, we must remain firm in the stand against the enemies of freedom: Geert Wilders being one of the biggest of them.

19 April 2009 at 13:32  
Anonymous len said...

Islam unmasked, not a pretty sight!

19 April 2009 at 13:34  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Joshua, freedom of speech is only effective if there are no serious consequences in doing so . Who protected Salman Rushdie when he had to go into hiding for 10 years because of speaking out?Incidentally can anyone name a country that offers its citizens protection from the tentacles of a fatwa?

19 April 2009 at 13:42  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

All we are saying is give free speech a chance. He has had his say. Now put the kettle on Harrold an get the pigs ready for a one eyed feast.

19 April 2009 at 13:56  
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19 April 2009 at 15:59  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

Britology, you don't know what the rules of the game are. The liberal freedom you espouse is also what makes the Netherlands, and rest of the west, vulnerable to Islamization with all that entails. The ethical prerogotives of modern Liberalism are self-defeating because of this, and as we know, and as you have implied by calling Wilders an "enemy", we must be illiberal to enemies of liberalism.

"But one thing that is clear is that he would impose his cultural norms on the Netherlands: his party programme calls for a "New article 1 of the Constitution: Christian / Jewish / humanist culture must remain dominant in the Netherlands" ["Nieuw artikel 1 van de Grondwet: christelijk/joods/humanistische cultuur moet in Nederland dominant blijven"]. "Liberals and Muslims have both persecuted Geert Wilders, with spurious legal action and with death threats respectively, so don't complain the wrongness of imposing an ethical norm on someone. That's what political order is--the deployment of violence against those who break the ethical code. Geert Wilders seeks to defend the Netherlands and by extension the West in general from the pernicious and destructive forces of Islam and immigration.

19 April 2009 at 16:00  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

I'm with Len in his argument against Britology....

Britology - can't call you Brit - you aren't are you?
Britology, under Islamic rule we wouldn't have the freedom to speak as you do against our hosts, would we? And islam is trying to take away our rights to defend ourselves, isn't it?

Wilders is a Dutchman. The islamic bozos are invading his country and removing his rights. That's what they're doing here, and in the US - as he says.

He's a brave man. He's right. I admire him - just as I do Daniel Hannan. Let's have more of the same.

Thank you Cranmer.

19 April 2009 at 16:48  
Blogger Microcosm said...

Wilders failed to notice the Tea Parties taking place across the USA.

What a refreshing perspective from britologywatch, more brit more!

Liberty should mean the freedom for Imams to say what they like and the freedom for the rest of us to offend them if we do not care for what we hear.

19 April 2009 at 17:26  
Blogger 13th Spitfire said...

By God, that was a good post.

19 April 2009 at 17:34  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

'Liberty should mean the freedom for Imams to say what they like and the freedom for the rest of us to offend them if we do not care for what we hear.'

Ideally yes, but in practise It would never work. Imams already say what they like but if the rest of us were allowed to offend them back, we would be subjected to threats and violence and THAT is the difference. This is why,here, our Christian values of freedom and democracy should be dominant and Islamic ideals should not. Naturally in Historically Islamic countries, Islam should dominate.

19 April 2009 at 17:55  
Anonymous not a machine said...

as i watched and listened to this video , i became aware just how much of a travisty it was to stop Wilders enetring this country.

he makes some good points and i am thinking we have been bound and gaged to bring about multiculture .

i can see how some see him as racist , but surely freedom is about culture and if all cultures are not the same how can there be a universal freedom???

19 April 2009 at 17:59  
Anonymous Bo said...

Like Fitna, his fault is a slightly Dutch over-statement - there are no "official" sharia courts in the UK - and quoting one bearded nutter is hardly representative.

However, he has plenty that is valid to say and is basically right - the grandchildren of Britology will be still be trying to reason with the mullahs as they shroud them in hijabs. Cretin.

The reason why there is no Geert in the UK is because only the BNP have the balls, and sadly being racists they hijack serious debate. Shame.

19 April 2009 at 18:57  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

"Liberty should mean the freedom for Imams to say what they like and the freedom for the rest of us to offend them if we do not care for what we hear."This unrealistic ad self-defeating perspective is to be expected from an anti-semite and self avowed hindu Aryan. He thinks the crazy Muslims have only been riled up by the real enemy, the Jews.

19 April 2009 at 18:59  
Anonymous Nelaon said...

Islam is not just another religion, it is a religio political power that exists to conquer, and its adenda is world domination at any cost. Yes there are people who are muslim by birth who do not agree with the aims of the ruling junta, but they have been silenced by fear a long time ago, and our leaders are weak, spineless men who are cowed by the same terror. They are a disgrace to our country, our history and the men who sacrificed themselves to retain our freedoms, I am ashamed of them, not that they care, they are empty oasis, self serving liars, pitiful grovelling drones. They haven't even got the courage to let this film be shown in closed session to Parliament in case it upsets the preachers of hate that they fear so much that you can smell it.
But the people know the games they play and it will backfire on them badly, I don't know the outcome but I do know that their craven cowardice is plain to see "A coward dies a thousand times, a brave man only once".

19 April 2009 at 19:05  
OpenID britologywatch said...

Homophobic Horse said: "The ethical prerogotives of modern Liberalism are self-defeating because of [the West's vulnerability to Islamisation], and as we know, and as you have implied by calling Wilders an "enemy", we must be illiberal to enemies of liberalism".

If you're illiberal to those who oppose liberalism, haven't they won? And once illiberal laws have been enacted to target those hostile to our society, they in fact infringe and diminish all our liberties. This sounds like a defence for the most unlibertarian government in modern British history.

"Liberals and Muslims have both persecuted Geert Wilders, with spurious legal action and with death threats respectively, so don't complain the wrongness of imposing an ethical norm on someone. That's what political order is--the deployment of violence against those who break the ethical code."

The difference between our democratic values and jihadist Islam, surely, is that, under our system, one is innocent until proven guilty. Wilders hasn't been tried, and therefore hasn't been condemned, yet; so 'liberal society' - which is after all what Wilders claims he is defending - hasn't yet condemned him, whereas his Islamic enemies have. And no, the political order isn't the deployment of violence against those who break the ethical code (that's what the Islamic jihadists would do); it's the deployment of the rule of law against those who are violent and spread the hatred that fuels violence: both Wilders and the Islamic hardliners.

churchmouse said: "Britology - can't call you Brit - you aren't are you?
Britology, under Islamic rule we wouldn't have the freedom to speak as you do against our hosts, would we? And islam is trying to take away our rights to defend ourselves, isn't it?"

I consider myself to be English and Christian, first and foremost; and British, yes, by virtue of being English. Not much Christian or English about Wilders' hate-filled prejudices. Personally, I'm glad he was thrown back on a plane at Heathrow: good riddance to bad Dutch rubbish. (Sentiment getting the better of the libertarian there.)

Bo said: "the grandchildren of Britology will be still be trying to reason with the mullahs as they shroud them in hijabs. Cretin.

The reason why there is no Geert in the UK is because only the BNP have the balls, and sadly being racists they hijack serious debate".

Well, Bo, perhaps you'd better go to Wilders' Netherlands, where he'd ban women from wearing the niqab in public (which is the point, really; in their own homes, they don't believe they need to) and even wearing hijabs in public buildings. Not very 'free', is it? The racist BNP being the only ones with the balls to peddle this sort of tripe: funny, that.

19 April 2009 at 20:42  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

Excellent post Your Grace. Keep up the good work!

Sad that the MSM haven't picked up on this though...

19 April 2009 at 21:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not the small amount of things that divide two of the worlds largest religions, that should concern us too much.

What should concern us, is what the Roman Catholic Church and other forces of Fascism have very much in common. Including of course, Islamofascism and many others including The New Labour Party, for just one relatively small example.

Which apart from other things, like bringing world dictatorship back BIG TIME, is murdering as many Jews as they can possibly get their hands on, ZIONISM, and generally promoting genocides when ever possible. While making piles of blood soaked cash for themselves and notable others.

It has long been of my understanding, that Islam has been under the control of The Roman Catholic Church for the last 1300 years. Some have written well researched books, claiming that in truth, Jesuits working for The Roman Catholic Church actually INVENTED Islam.

After all, ask yourselves this question when considering who in reality instigates armed conflict.

Who were the ultimate beneficiaries, of any particular conflict, in the short, medium, and long term?

Do not bother to waste time reading what authorized history books have to say on the subject. History books are stuffed full of establishment crap.

Simply remember this,

Whatever ones history books may or may not indicate on the matter. The people who actually conspired to start a war, are the ones that almost always end up winning it. There are exceptions, but so few that they do in fact, prove the rule.

THEREFORE, logically.

The people who actually end up winning a war, were in almost all cases, the people who actually conspired to start it.


For the early Jesuits who were secretly or otherwise running the 8th Century Roman Catholic Church, to have basically set up The Religion of Mohamed, to act is opposition to itself, makes perfect commercial and political sense at the time.

Doing so made The Roman Catholic Church even more rich and powerful then it already was. It concentrated vast private and public funds in the hands of The Roman Catholic Church, and soon resulted in the Papal powers created the first international banking system. Which along with their other Zionist chums, they have more or less owned ever since.

At the same time the Western Roman Empire, namely the Roman Catholic Church impoverished the area. This concentrated Muslim power and wealth into the hands of a very few Muslim Leaders. Which made it far easier for the Papal authorities to corrupt and therefore secretly RULE the area, EVER SINCE.

Atlas shrugged

19 April 2009 at 22:11  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

You're not going to win with more Liberalism Britology, it is Liberalism that has brought us to this in the first place. Now that we are in a state of tumult we will have to play a dangerous game to restore balance in the West.

19 April 2009 at 22:15  
Anonymous Brian said...

'Jesuits invented Islam' - well that's a new one on me!

Still, it does show how damned clever these Jesuits are. Islam was founded in 700-and-something A.D., whereas the Jesuits were founded in 1534. So the Society of Jesus must have invented a time machine!

19 April 2009 at 22:33  
Anonymous len said...

Atlas shrugged,
Amazing post,
Checkout Adam Weishaupt( a Jesuit trained professor of Canon)His stated objective was the destruction of all existing governments and religions replacing them with one all powerful government run by and for the elite ruling class under the banner of lucifer.

19 April 2009 at 22:39  
Anonymous Brian said...

I see the Netherlands, along with the US, Israel, Italy and Canada is boycotting the pedo-worshippers' Yid-bashing convention.

Naturally our own dhimmi government is still participating.

19 April 2009 at 22:47  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

Liberty should mean the freedom for Imans to say and believe what they want......

Yes but it seems to only work one way, Christian adoption agencies are forced to adopt out to Gay couples, christians are persecuted for saying they do not support Gay marriage, yet Immans can call for homosexuals to be pushed off mountains and women to be beaten,

they hav ejust set up a Muslim state by granting Kosovo independance and very soon they will allow Turkey into the EU.
It appears to me that Our elites have decided Europe is to become Islamic.

Islam in the Heart of Europe

19 April 2009 at 23:17  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

I did not know his Grace was a film buff and has tastes that were unimpressed by Fitnas production values. Your Grace must know that you are insulting Mohammedans with such an attitude. The entire little silk purse was sown together from 100% Muslim sows ears. No word, sound or image was a creation of Wilders. It was a cut and paste from the vibrant world of Islam. That is why he will win his lawsuit, Fitna is 100% Muslim.

20 April 2009 at 00:13  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Britology !! very clever , turning it into an intellectual subject for a globalised world.

i draw from somthing more relational than reletivism.

I am not scared of the brave new world clinging to my christian faith as i am too much of a dullard to comprehend , eden made manifest in new political order.

i am scared that nutters pedalling a sort of social structure that behaves like the internet is a future i must agree to without much chance or choice to discuss or vote on it.

interprating life as being just a collection of moral interactions that can be controlled and monitored is missing a great deal and also brings into question what we mean about personal growth and wether it is better god loving/fearing people or a program are the ultimate end.

Islam does not have any inbuilt mechanism to question itself or reform , that is why even in this so called modern age , it throws up zealots who have few quarms about destroying there own followers let alone infidels.

as far as i can tell , they do not consider the christian belief to be in any way superior , i have never heard them say christianity is a pack of lies and to burn a bible would be to burn themselves .

for a number of centuries many middle east and mediterrean contries had a mosque and church that were not in conflict , but then islam reached a point where it could not tolerate its elder as a religion and set about its ensuring of power via the sword and chrisendom having to reciprocate.

they do not regret this , which makes me wonder if tony blairs attempts are niave , pehaps he sees one god and only slight differences , i still dont think that gives him the right to act on my behalf about the faith that has brought us so much , and barter it away on my behalf for pottage and call it a success.

faith will descend into legal arguments , and i very much doubt jesus will be found in those

20 April 2009 at 02:27  
Anonymous Bo said...

How funny - Britology embodies the self-consuming contradiction of the liberal-left: defending the "right" for a woman to shroud herself in cloth "in the privacy of her own home", blind to the submissive meaning of this act, the literal blotting out of womanhood. Geert may be extreme, but he is far more of a feminist and libertarian that Britology, whose multi-culti relativism is shorthand for racist sexism. Still a cretin, and plainly always will be. How ironic that it is left to Dutch men to defend the rights of women, while the Guardinstas splutter into their muesli.

20 April 2009 at 08:02  
OpenID britologywatch said...

I suppose the voice that needs to be heard on that question, Bo, is that of Muslim women; and I suspect you'd get a range of views and feelings. But I don't suppose taking the opinions of actual Muslim women into account ranks high on your priority list - nor that of Wilders.

20 April 2009 at 08:57  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Geert makes a stand for our freedom of speech. Anyone trying to take him down is against that freedom.

It's not hard to pick a side in this argument.

Well done Geert!

20 April 2009 at 10:11  
Anonymous Preacher said...

britologywatch. there's not much chance of hearing muslim womens voices on that, according to Islam they are not allowed to speak out, they belong to the men, fathers or husbands, some educated women who remained in Islamic countries and tried to practice free speech are how can I put it? no longer with us.

20 April 2009 at 11:08  
Anonymous Penny said...

Britology - I think I understand your underlying concerns because until a few months ago, I shared them. However, over recent times I have come to realise that we are in danger of assuming that our Western values, logic and mindset are both meaningful and applicable all around the world; this is just not the case.

I've read quite widely on this issue of Islamism (including books written by former terrorists/Islamists) and what we have is a vehicle which is both religion and political ideology. In the West where there is a marked division between the two, we struggle to find a way of dealing with Islamists.

We may not criticise Islam because it is a religion - which in itself is illiberal in British terms. And yet it is a political animal and so should be as open to criticism as any other political ideology.

We are free to criticise Labour, Tory, LibDem, Green, BNP....this is how it must be. We allowed Mosely to march - and again, this is true to our values. The difference with Islam is that it allows no such criticisms; indeed, to speak against it can bring about threats to both personal and national security. If Durban II has its way, criticising Islam in any way will be deemed against human rights.

This is what we must tackle. This duel-headed animal which makes no separation between state and religion. I don't know how because it has become a veritable Pandora's Box that over time, the government have stuffed and are now having to sit on to prevent it bursting.

I would suggest looking at this issue not only from a Western point of view, but through the eyes of people who have been in associations such as Hizb ut-Tahrir. Let those who know tell you what the aspirations of Islamism are rather than assume all those who speak against it are potentially illiberal or racists.

I would suggest Ed Husein and Nonie Darwish as reasonable start points.

20 April 2009 at 12:29  
Anonymous Bo said...

"I suppose the voice that needs to be heard on that question, Bo, is that of Muslim women"

I suppose if you spoke to the average Edwardian housewife you would have heard little support for the suffragettes, but thank you for confirming my expectations - that you are a self-doubting relativist, embodying in your assumptions the poison that is rotting the West from the inside out.

Ok, I'm sorry to press you, but sometimes standing on the fence is not an option. If I see a man beating his wife and step in and the wife stops me, saying she deserves it, am I wrong, or is the wife? Because you see you have to stand for something, or you fall for everything.

Instead you seek to smear me (and Geert) with racism - go on, say what you mean! - because your unthinking conformism to the party line outweighs any moral courage. As it happens, although i do not admire Islam, I AM principally motivated by its treatment of women and minorities, its autocracy and intolerance. Although there is something I admire very much however - it knows where it stands. What you fail to understand is that even in your bet-hedging you stand for something to the Islamists - a useful idiot.

20 April 2009 at 13:59  
Blogger Microcosm said...

I applaud anyone who believes in free speech and is willing to stand up for it, what I would not applaud is a sheeple mentality.

Your spokesman today can be your tyrant tommorrow and as a people what we should never allow is the Bushite mentality, that dictates you are with us or with the terrorists.

Bush managed to destroy Americas Constitution and handed dictatorial powers over to a Communist.

The west has stripped us of our Liberties not Islam and its been purposely done.

I would say return Englands Liberty and we shall show Islam where the door is, Geert Wilders would say give me a Police State and I will show my critics where the door is.

We already have a Police State, deal with the traitors in parlaiment first and Islam second.

The trouble with Islam is that it Abrogates its texts, thus supposing milder stuff is superceded by later bad shit.

Where as if it went back to the begining, it would recognise that its all bullshit superceded by bullshit. Probably with a shamanic context if truth be known.

The trouble with Judeo Christians is they think Christ is a Jew in heaven and not the word eternal, that was with God and was God. From the begining, unsullied by fallen mans concepts.

Just because there is a barking dog in the field, does not mean you have to run into the pen.

Its time we found out who the farmer is and tore up his fence.

20 April 2009 at 15:43  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Isn't that what Wilders is doing? Tearing up the fence that prevents him from voicing his opinion? It seems he understand all too well who the Dutch farmer is.

No great shakes identifying ours either...

20 April 2009 at 16:19  
Blogger moorlandhunter said...

The man speaks a lot of sense. I was ashamed that in London Muslims were able to call for us in the UK to be, bombed, decapitated, maimed and killed all because of a Danish cartoon. Of all the people on this demo who called for us to be slaughtered I think only three were taken to court. The rest of the Muslims who walked away without being arrested are out there in our country, dangerous and active holding the views that they do and goodness knows if they carry out their threats? I fear for our country.

20 April 2009 at 16:53  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

It's crying wolf to call the contemporary political paradigm a police state, we're not their yet. They introduce all this repressive legislation to deal with, and keep the lid on all the social pressures caused by Islam and the universal democracy crusade.

20 April 2009 at 17:15  
Blogger Microcosm said...

Well roll on our European First Amendment rights, well done Geert. The States are seceding because its no longer worth the paper its written.

Accept one lie after another though, who knows eventually we may get a lie we can all believe in.

20 April 2009 at 17:28  
OpenID britologywatch said...

Bo said: "If I see a man beating his wife and step in and the wife stops me, saying she deserves it, am I wrong, or is the wife?"

So if Geert's thugs step in and forcibly remove a Muslim woman's burka or hijab, despite her protests, who is right? This is typical of Western presumption and patronising attitudes, projecting our values and cultural assumptions onto Islam, and appointing ourselves as civilisers of the barbaric Islamic Orient. Presumably, you thought the Iraq War was a good idea for the same reason; and the needless destruction of thousands of innocent lives in Afghanistan, including those of our brave soldiers sent on a fool's errand.

Does anybody here make any sort of distinction between Islam and 'islamism'? The vast majority of Muslims would repudiate the views of the jihadists and terrorists just as much as we do. But peace between the West and Islam will never come if we continue to remain mired in centuries-old prejudice and clichéd generalisations of the sort that Wilders peddles.

So, what are we saying? There never can be peace between the West and Islam, or between Israel and the Muslim Middle East, which is the root of the present terrorist threat? So what do we do, just try to destroy Islam and deny Muslims the expression of their faith in our midst - or deny them the right to be in our midst altogether? That's hardly likely to reduce the threat level, is it?

I believe we have a duty to work for peace: real peace based on mutual understanding, co-existence and love, of the Christian kind. Not relativism, but faith. And yes, this includes loving one's enemies - even to the point of doing whatever's necessary to stop them (really stop them, not incite them further) from destroying themselves along with us. But you can only begin to achieve this through mutual dialogue, not by shouting each other down.

If your brother hates you, do you hate him back and try to destroy him; or do you love him, seek to repair each other's wrongs towards one another, and extend the hand of reconciliation - even at the risk of failure?

21 April 2009 at 11:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

br-ology: some of us suggest that islam confine itself to islamic states.

A mosk on every street corner in Britain destroys the scenery. So do foreigners striding across the landscape in their garish sheets etc. Make the place untidy, at best.

I say the Dutch have a right to their own country as well - after all, they're the ones who re-claimed it from the sea. You see, they make their country into a fertile land... not desert.

21 April 2009 at 18:07  
Anonymous len said...

Jesus Christ said,
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me,
To preach good tidings to the poor,
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, (Isaiah 61)

Who are the captives?
Those bound by the law of sin and death, those bound by religion,these people are bound as securely as they are in chains.
Religion, all religion attempts to put a stranglehold on those in its power,
That is why all religion ( Islam included , must be resisted , and the freedom that is in Christ Jesus proclaimed!

21 April 2009 at 19:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs." -

Shouldn't the koran be banned?

And shouldn't any muslim who quotes it be imprisoned for incitement to racial hatred?

21 April 2009 at 20:26  
Blogger Yossman said...

Cranmer, as a Dutchman I ask you: 'What's your take on Wilders?'

22 April 2009 at 11:46  

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