Sunday, June 28, 2009

Michael Jackson’s funeral – which religion will prevail?

Was Michael Jackson a Muslim?

Allah knows.

And we are about to find out.

In his will, Michael Jackson expressed a wish for his body to be cremated and sprinkled over the surface of the moon. But cremation is forbidden in Islam, and the parlous state of the singer’s finances now rather precludes the possibility of lunar sprinkling. Star trekking across the universe is the domain of those for whom it is difficult to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

The arrangements for what will undoubtedly be the biggest funeral spectacular since the death of Diana Princess of Wales are actually a political decision of not inconsiderable global importance. While millions of Muslims try to claim Michael Jackson for the greater glory of Allah, the witnesses of Jehovah are having none of it. And music is haraam in any case. The demons which plagued Michael Jackson during his life are as nothing to those which are doing battle over his soul, and this present turmoil in the heavenlies is mirrored on earth in the conflict over the singer’s estate and the custody battle over his children.

The speculation over the religion of the former King of Pop (to whom does that title now pass?) is natural, and competing sides are attempting to claim him as their own. For Michael Jackson, of course, the question is now of absolutely no consequence: he is either with God in heaven, in purgatory, in hell, or his atman has surrendered to the karmic samsara and he lives on as a cockroach.

Or, of course, he has simply ceased to be.

It is a matter of historical record that Michael Jackson was born to parents who were devout Jehovah’s Witnesses, and he was raised strictly in accordance with the tenets of that faith: always canvassing and never Christmas. But this was too puritanical for his showbiz spirit, and he quite obviously outgrew its confines, both theological and sociological.

It is rumoured that he converted to Islam last year and changed his name to Mikaeel – the name of one of Allah’s angels.

This being the case, he should have been buried intact within two sunsets as Muslims believe that demons ravage and torture the body if this is not adhered to. But the necessary post mortem examination took precedence, and toxicology tests had to be conclusive in order to dispel (or confirm) rumours of foul play. After all, we are talking about the King of Pop, and something as mundane as vicodin can no more claim his life than a simple car crash could end that of the Princess of Wales. Even now, the Jackson family has ordered a second autopsy, thereby fanning the flames of conspiracy.

Since Michael Jackson had a sudden heart attack, he did not have time to say ‘La Ilaha Illa Allah’, and so has not gone straight to paradise. Unluckily for him, according to the Hadith of Abu Hurairah, ‘a believer's soul will remain in suspense until all his debts are paid off’.

Since these are estimated to be $500,000,000, that is an awfully long time in limbo.

Perhaps the Jackson ummah (for at least Jermaine is a professing Muslim) will auction the TV rights to the funeral, or sell them to anyone and everyone in order to maximise the prophet profit. Demand for a mass public service is going to be high, and hordes of fans will make pilgrimage from the four corners of the earth to kiss his shrine. It is even possible that the funeral could eclipse that of Diana as billions tune in to cyber-mourn.

There is something of a tension between the sparse simplicity of a Jehovah’s Witness funeral and that of a prominent Muslim. While both eschew weeping and wailing (and alcoholic toasts), they are both fond of gnashing teeth: their funerals are a time to focus on God, his greatness and the proclamation of salvation.

If Michael Jackson died a Muslim, expect to hear of the proclamation of the Salat al-Janazah and news that he will be buried with his head pointing towards Mecca. These are imperatives for all Muslims and the only guard against Shaytaan.

Cranmer has only one thought on Michael Jackson’s spirituality: he was consistent. He simply exchanged one religion which offers absolutely no assurance of salvation for another. Both Jehovah’s Witnesses and Muslims have to earn their places in paradise: salvation is by works; the spirit is redeemed by the obedience of the flesh and the burden of submission to law.

Cranmer thanks God that he justified by faith through grace, and that God provided the ransom for us - the most precious body and blood of his own most dear and best beloved Son Jesus Christ. Justification is free to us, but not to God. Faith, of course, does not stand in isolation: It ‘doth not exclude repentance, hope, love, dread, and the fear of God’. After all, faith which does not produce good works ‘is not a right, pure and lively faith, but a dead, devilish counterfeit, and feigned faith'. The justified are bound to serve God in doing good deeds, but these works are imperfect and not able to deserve our justification, which comes freely by the mercy of God. Authentic faith is ‘a pure trust and confidence in God’s merciful promises’.

And this is the only source of peace, not as the world gives.


Anonymous Believer said...

There is another possibility - Resurrection.

We all know that Elvis is not dead, but has been seen in numerous locations across the planet.

Likewise, I await the first reports that Michael Jackson has not shuffled off his mortal coil, but is alive and well and was recently seen eating a bacon butty in a cafe in Westhoughton.

28 June 2009 at 10:41  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Your Grace seems to have returned from yesterday's busy pursuits in a resolute frame of mind. It's good. It was wild and speculative in here, and yet calm and sensible, which was good too. Everything is tickedy boo and I am going to breakfast myself.

28 June 2009 at 10:50  
Blogger monomakh said...

a half-hearted amen to that. I wonder what Hooker or Whitgift would have made of such a silly business. There where Ecclesiastical Polity should not intrude...

28 June 2009 at 10:55  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Who cares who gets to do the honours at the Jackson funeral? This is just another hysterical media frenzy. I refuse to take any part in it because, at the end of the day, it is completely irrelevant. A famous bloke has a heart attack. Oh dear, the world is going to end. I don't think so.

While this circus is going on no one has noticed that the US has taken one step closer to financial oblivion and social control as Congress passes, by the slimmest majority, the Cap and Trade bill - the greatest and most damaging hoax poised to be played on the American public. The EU has already pulled the same trick on us with Carbon Credits and our bloody stupid politicians sleepwalked us right into it without raising any objections, without examining the junk science behind it. They were probably too busy claiming for bath plugs and the like.

Let's hope that the Senate can put the brakes on this insanity otherwise we are all screwed.

28 June 2009 at 11:24  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Gnostic,

The Lord himself was a guest at a wedding in Cana in Galilee.

If one is not at the circus maximus where the people are, to whom does one preach?

28 June 2009 at 11:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why worry? It doesn't matter where MJ will be buried. Allah (God) knows better and let Him be the Judge. Furthermore we're not given the license to judge whether he'll end in Hell or Heaven. We don't even know our own plight when we die one day. Don't you think it's a waste of time?

So cheers.

28 June 2009 at 11:40  
Anonymous Lily Allen is an out of control slut said...

I think it is just sooo sad that these mega stars nearly all end up in the dustbin of life. I think it's because the fans expect it. They project they very worse of expectations onto these people. They start out as mere humans, and get elevated outside of the safety barriers their own psyches.

His other Grace would have remembered the previous conversation about Gnostic's gender.

28 June 2009 at 11:41  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Welcome back, Your Grace. Deo Gratias - the voice of sanity prevails once more.

Sanity is clearly in abeyance elsewhere!!! I could understand the reaction and shock over HRH, indeed I felt some of it; - but the Jacko-bean stuff beats me.

Still - I'd like to share what happened when I picked up my sick little dog from the Vet's the other week. They brought her out: all sad and weak and feeble-hardly able to stand up. She just didn't know what to do with herself. So I said her name. As the relief set in, she was too weak to run to me, but started this funny floating walk. And, all amazed, they called it moon-walking. Silly me thought it was something to do with astronauts - but this week I heard it was a Jackson trademark.

I pray that he too has returned to a loving home. It's a pity though, that in his case we must be patient while the publicity mongers continue to exploit their cash cow - from here to eternity, it seems.

[And, for crying out loud - if he was that big and successful, then how come his finances are so messed up?]

28 June 2009 at 11:54  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, not everyone likes blood sports - which is what this media hype is. The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Your words are non sequitur. The Circus Maximus was not big enough to hold all of Rome's citizens. There would be plenty of people to preach to outside its walls.

28 June 2009 at 12:02  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Miss/Mrs/Ms Gnostic,

But the greater witness was within.

28 June 2009 at 12:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I usually find your comments interesting ... but this has just left me thinking 'what a load of old tosh' the beliefs of the various religions are.

Jackson was a great pop artist; he was also a deeply damaged man as the result of having a completely dysfunctional childhood. His early death could hardly be considered unexpected in view of his lifestyle and his incredibly frail appearance .... we should mourn the loss of a great talent, but in reality that talent died a long time ago. Arguing and debating now about his religious beliefs (or none) is just more media exploitation 'feeding' on the corpse of his fame.

It's a shame you have joined in.

28 June 2009 at 12:13  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Watching the faithful being fed to the lions without intervening is not my idea of "greater", Your Grace.

Testing people to destruction is not a creed I support.

28 June 2009 at 12:20  
Anonymous Hereward said...

They held chariot races in the Circus Maximus. You're thinking of somewhere else.

28 June 2009 at 12:37  
Blogger McKenzie said...

"Joining in" is a strange beast. If it includes 'posting' on one's blog, how much less does it include 'commenting'?

Life is a 'joining in' dilemma really.

I have been thinking about this Funeral situation today, and have come to no firm conclusion. I have thought about the strange terminology with regards to camels and needles. It must mean to explain the dilemma of soul. I suppose a rich man would say only a fool would dream up such a statement.

I have also decided that a creed is probably a good thing for a church to have, it provides a base camp to return to when you are regretting some of your old words in the light of new revelation.

28 June 2009 at 13:12  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Yes they held chariot races, their main reason for exisiting. They also had warm-up and intermission acts to entertain the mob. Not all of them involved comedians, jugglers or a singsong while chewing on free bread. Quite often they mixed business with pleasure and made a spectacle of public executions. The Romans always were efficient.

28 June 2009 at 13:19  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The big difference here is that Roman lions didn't try to lionise (sic) their victims after they'd picked the gristle from between their teeth.

But then the media are less like lions and more akin to vultures. Pretty useless ones at that. They keep fighting over the wrong bones.

28 June 2009 at 13:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that 99.9% of reporters and commentators state or imply that Michael Jackson's connection with the WatchTower Cult ended when he was disfellowshipped in the 1980s.

Katherine and Rebbie's family are all active JWs. Anyone who knows anything about JWs knows how this would play on MJ, who was at onetime an extremely devout JW.

In fact, circa 2004-5, a southern California newspaper published photos and an article showing MJ and his children attending their local Kingdom Hall. Does anyone really believe that someone with MJ's ego would not only attend a "meetings" at his Kingdom Hall, but also take his children with him, if he were being shunned as disfellowshipped persons are at a JW Kingdom Hall. I suspect that MJ had been "reinstated" as an active JW sometime prior to 2004. Let's see some reporter dig into that one. Don't expect the WatchTower Society or local JWs admit such without presentation of overwhelming evidence given present citcumstances.

The negative influence of the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses on Michael and his family have been either downplayed or totally ignored for as long as the Jackson Family has received public attention. For those readers who really want to know what life is like to be reared in the WatchTower Cult, nothing beats real world scenarios, and of real world scenarios, nothing beats actual civil and criminal court cases.

The following website summarizes 900 court cases and lawsuits involving children of Jehovah's Witness Parents. The summaries demonstrate how JW Families rear their children and live life day-to-day. Also included are nearly 400 CRIMINAL cases -- most involving MURDERS:


28 June 2009 at 14:39  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Does anyone think that maybe we need to rethink the reverence and piety thing?

I can stand on top of a high mountain on a clear day and be overwhelmed with a sense of reverence looking out across the vista of creation, and yet there is not a brass ornament, a candle or a man is a white frock to be seen anywhere. And all that can be heard is sheep, wind and distant sounds of fighter jets training for death and destruction.

28 June 2009 at 15:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I visited that JW website, and I don't like the tone of it. There is a dark and malignant spirit in the nature of it. I feel the sparks of hatred flying off the grinding wheel of the axe sharpener. It is wholly unchristian in its own nature.

28 June 2009 at 15:25  
Anonymous Give Blood said...

Mind - Body and Spirit is a physical and tangible symbiotic relationship. The body can be enhanced by looking after it in a respectful way, which will in turn enhance the mind. The spirit, in my own experience, does seem to be more alive if the body and mind are healthy. But having said this, even during times of severe physical deprivation and mental turmoil, the soul can come into its own. But generally speaking I would recommend balance in all things.
Sharing blood can be something that makes us cringe. I don't give blood, but I have no words to justify my behaviour, I am an Ostrich when it comes to donating blood. I will say that the thought of receiving blood from some reprobate scumbag does not appeal very much to me either. But if someone close to me gets run over by a number 7 bus, and the life blood is draining from their veins, Then sharing blood is of no concern.

We share our souls every day. We had to share more than mere blood in the womb. There is a hypocrisy though in a system which rips out the life from a womb, and then legislates for the saving of life through the sharing of blood.

28 June 2009 at 16:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Holy Quran and Hadeeth (prophetic sayings) both stress the importance of following Islam. God states:

“...The only religion in the sight of God is Islam...” (Quran 3:19)

In another verse of the Holy Quran, God states:

“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (their selves in the Hellfire).” (Quran 3:85)

In another saying, Muhammad, the Prophet of God, said:

“Whoever testifies that there in none worthy of being worshipped but God, Who has no partner, and that Muhammad is His slave and Prophet, and that Jesus is the Slave of God, His Prophet, and His word[1] which He bestowed in Mary and a spirit created from Him; and that Paradise (Heaven) is true, and that the Hellfire is true, God will eventually admit him into Paradise, according to his deeds.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The Prophet of God, may God praise him, also reported:

“Indeed God has forbidden to reside eternally in Hell the person who says: “I testify that none has the right to worship except Allah (God),’ seeking thereby the Face of God.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

28 June 2009 at 17:31  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Cranmer's blog is really degenerating into a pit of foolishness when this is the most significant topic of the day. What a disappointment!

28 June 2009 at 17:52  
Blogger McKenzie said...

I think you will find that 'the pit of foolishness' is the intended topic.

28 June 2009 at 18:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With eager delight in how to lie and distort the truth, Jehovah's Witnesses are not noajidim need guaradar Act, as this was repealed in Christ. In no way believe that their salvation depends on earning points through the works, that alone was born of your prejudice.

The concept of salvation for Jehovah's Witnesses is "declared righteous (justified) by faith through the unmerited kindness (grace) that God gives through the ransom for us, which is death to replace his most beloved and dear Son Jesus Christ. Justification is free for us, but God, who paid the high price of giving your child's life. "

"Faith without works is dead," said Jacob in his letter, there is no contradiction that salvation is free, but they simply between faith and devotion there is no difference, because she loves to obey God's will.

I call your hookers lying about sects, since they can not stop the Jehovah's Witnesses do not hesitate to distort their doctrines to close the hearts, ears and doors for others, all based on outright fabrications Witnesses did not have written their doctrines from 170 years ago? Will not be able to at least ask the witness about his faith? How then can distort the truth while having access to so many sources?

I simply assume that creating the right to learn more about what we think and feel ourselves, and that is the height of arrogance. Is it a justification for the work to deliver a monthly report of preaching, or is simply a useful data for statistical purposes? Is the sermon an act of love for God and neighbor, or an effort to win points for salvation? Is a way to gather salvaged by the media, or a sign of appreciation for Christ as if some were sitting at his feet to hear? Is it compulsory for me to use tie, and that's my Thai brothers who do not use them? Would I use a beard is a sin and like Christ and Moses? Of all these questions and others like you to believe the worst, and never asks us, no, but prefer to listen to those who were expelled for immorality among you to cause scandal

Of course, if they had a bad heart to worship God, but it was a personal flaw in them DOCTRINE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL FOR MORE THAN SEVEN MILLION TO YES WE SERVE GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST.

And as for usteds: No matter how PROTESTANT TO KEEP PORFI AFFIRMING THAT WE BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY WORKS, IT WILL NOT RETURN REAL.Ustedes evade reality: 1) We are not "puritans" but it still taught in the Gospels, and that you neglected. 2) if we have our salvation by faith alone that you are irritated that we believe Jesus Christ is not God.

28 June 2009 at 18:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See how the enemy invades @17.31!!!

It's like the way they stride through the hills and dales of Britain - they don't belong; every line of their jib shows they know they don't belong. And yet they insist, they force themselves on the very landscape. And to what end? I don't see what they get out of making themselves so uncomfortable.


28 June 2009 at 18:21  
Anonymous Mystic Twat said...

Anonymous 18:21

I am not making this up OK, but I have now read through your paragraphs three times and I still have no clear idea of what it is you are saying, excepting that you seem to be unhappy.

I am guessing here that you yourself are a JW. I personally hold no immediate prejudice, I don't really know much of what it is you believe, but if you all talk like that then I am confident that I am not alone. I am sorry to say that what you wrote comes over as incoherent gibberish, and you are not doing any justice to whatever cause it is that you may or may not have. Paul did a fantastic job of turning the entire Roman empire around eventually, but JW's seem to be isolating themselves and sending us all to hell.

28 June 2009 at 19:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh dear Cranmer, you were quite foolish to start a debate on your blog about something as sad and sensitive as what would happen to Michael Jackson after his death.
This is a crass thing to do, using someone else's death to preach, whilst being inappropriately satirical. You want to have it both ways, make fun of the death of Michael Jackson whilst seriously preaching religion at the same time. Shame on you for being so manipulative and self-serving.

28 June 2009 at 20:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Using someone else's death in order to preach religion. ?Has a familiar ring to it.

28 June 2009 at 20:23  
Anonymous chris r said...

28 June 2009 20:16

I can't think of a more appropriate kind of occasion for commenting on the afterlife. No preaching here, just sound explanation.

Thank you, your Grace, for presenting the gospel so clearly!

28 June 2009 at 21:16  
Blogger Catosays said...

As far as I'm concerned his body should be hauled outside the city walls and left for the dogs.
After all, he won't care and to be frank, neither do I.

28 June 2009 at 21:28  
Anonymous artbyrami said...

It does not matter if Michael Jackson is burried the muslim way, or not, if indeed he is a muslim, what matters to him, is not what peoiple do after his death, rather what happens to his soul after death, if he died as a muslim, then it is up to Allah to shower him with his blessings, as Allah (God) has the suppreme last say, is the most merciful and the most compassionit. Once a persome becomes muslim, that person is free from all the prior sins.

28 June 2009 at 22:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mystic -- @ 1941: I agree. Again, I suspect that Anonymous of being foreign. In this case, perhaps English is not even the native language: either the person is hispanic or is strongly influenced by illiterate origins in that culture.


wv= calizest! Puts me in mind of Colombia - or perhaps the 'oriental' or subcontinental origins for the 17:31 poster. DP

28 June 2009 at 23:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't agree more with you artbyrami. As a Muslim myself, I always believe Allah The Most Merciful and The Most Forgiving loves all His Creations regardless of their religions, race, skin color. He won't simply dump them in Hell for no specific reasons. We all make mistakes unless we're programmed like robots and angels. God knows better. We try our best to be good human beings in the name of humanity despite of our imperfectness.

So cheers!

28 June 2009 at 23:11  
Anonymous len said...

the koran says about hell,
Lo, Those who disbelieve our revelations, We shall expose them to the fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment( 4 :56)
Need I go on.?There are endless more threats for those who reject Islam

28 June 2009 at 23:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



29 June 2009 at 00:01  
Anonymous So where's Geoffrey's Eagle - when we need him? said...

Apparently the family require a 'private inquest.' - whatever that means to them. My computer news service also reports that the super-whatever's doctor is cooperating with investigators.

Perhaps I'm beginning to understand Your Grace's parallel to the situation of Princess Diana. Methinks that, where reactions to her were natural and justified by her genuinely royal status - in contrast, the whole construct of this case is artificial - manufactured. The scenario itself is a delusion of grandeur, so like those delusions suffered by the object in the spotlights!!!

Perhaps the media are using these devices to drum up interest in the post-mortem concerts: yes, the 'news' tells of plans to 'honour the commitments' of the pawn they've queened. Doubtless the entertainments will prove remunerative.

The assault on our credulity shouldn't surprise us, I suppose: we already know the debased nature of our media. In this matter, though, the directors achieve new depths of cynicism by projecting their vulgarity and obscenity onto the rest of us.

I vote that Your Grace's satire is completely justified: it is even in the tradition of Chaucer and the "House of Fame"! Subtle and brilliant (and that's Sublimity); thank you.

29 June 2009 at 00:06  
Anonymous len said...

Jesus Christ said" I am the Way the Truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by me."
Biblical Christianity is the only 'religion 'that has a savior .
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believed on Him should not perish but have everlasting life."(John 3:16.)

The creator God of the Universe(Jahweh)clothed himself in human flesh and came onto this Earth to provide the only means of redemption for his fallen creation.

29 June 2009 at 00:10  
Anonymous truth said...

Michael commited dr assisted sure that his secret petophile lifestyle made it hard for him to look at himself in the mirror.his wealth enabled him to change his face but once his sinfull secret life was made public ,he spent his fortune trying to stay out of prison.he died a contrivertial broken souled drug attic .may god have mercy on his soul.

29 June 2009 at 00:39  
Blogger awana said...

I suppose if MJ were to be buried as a muslim there would be a certain irony in his joining Mohamed in the afterlife considering that they shared certain bestial predilections.

Birds of a feather and all that.

29 June 2009 at 00:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, that's rite Len. The Quran did mention about Hell. But who're we to judge others? Even infidels in the Holy Quran has a broad definition. So people, don't simply interpret if you've little knowledge or not well-versed on the subject. Let God does His Job & has the supreme say on His Creations.

29 June 2009 at 02:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't like this article at all. This guy says music is haraam without giving a clear explanation why. Dumb move. If Michael didn't die a Muslim, would that make him less of a human being than him opposed to being one? Why can't you just except the fact that he was a great human being (muslim or not) who brought so much into the lives of people through his music. He was truly a great human being and I will miss him.

29 June 2009 at 03:17  
Anonymous Sydneysider said...

Michael Jackson wrote a few good songs. That's all.

29 June 2009 at 03:52  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

All this fuss over Michael Jackson is just an indication of an impoverished world where people are so bereft of any connection to anything meaningful, that they feel a need to identify with a celebrity of above average dancing ability(although probably no better than a few other thousand black boys in Harlem)

Germaine Greer's nauseating effusions(while not unexpected) in the "Guardian" lauding
Michael Jackson's superiority over
dancers like Nijinsky and Nureyev
(real dancers)is further evidence of the cerebral poverty lurking in your academic institutions.

But most disappointing of all is His Grace's acknowledgement of this non event. The initial cursory reference would have sufficed.

29 June 2009 at 05:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


29 June 2009 at 05:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No religion will take you to heaven unless you are a clean soul. Every clean soul goes to heaven. Do you think those terrorists for personal benefit use religion to kill people will go to heaven? Humanity is the religion that God seeks in every soul and it was preached only by Jesus "Love you neighbor as yourself", He did not mention love only those who love you or your fellow brothers but every soul. Heaven is belongs to God and only He knows whom to keep and whom not to keep. Repent for your sin

29 June 2009 at 08:23  
Blogger OurSally said...

@ Sydneysider: Hey, he was a pretty cool dancer too.

To all you people called Anonymous - come on, choose another name, else we can't distinguish the trolls from the maenads and satyrs.

Writing posts in capitals is a sign of having lost it. Restrain yourself if you don't want to look ridiculous.

29 June 2009 at 08:43  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

OurSally's right. Steady on Pancho,get a grip!

29 June 2009 at 09:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Learn about islam before you start spouting about it. incidentally, i am christian too.

29 June 2009 at 11:09  
Blogger masa said...

music is not forbidden in Islam, please have some knowledge first, then have some ideas. Cheers

29 June 2009 at 11:22  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Sorry to all the Islamic readers & to the JW's too. Your beliefs have no assurance of salvation, just fearful hope. Only the conqueror of death, the risen Lord Jesus Christ, the living One provides the peace that guaranteed salvation brings. The price He paid for our salvation was beyond measure, but your pride is the one thing that stops you from claiming your inheritance. Michael Jackson's death was as sad as any mans, but that is all he was, just a man, talented maybe but a fallible mortal human being, who as the Bible says was destined to die, but after that the judgement. It reminds me of the epitaph: "Remember me as you pass by, as you are now so once was I, as I am now so you will be, so as you pass remember me". Death can come unexpectedly as with M.J, plans cease, life ends. don't wait or leave it to chance or religion, neither has the power to save, only Jesus.

29 June 2009 at 11:45  
Blogger Maria said...

All religions including Christianity with “Jesus as Son of God”, Judaism "Jews", idol worshippers of different kinds including those who believe “Angels as Daughters of God” already existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s). This was the reason that God Almighty ( “Allah” in Arabic) revealed the verse of Who He IS. Allah said to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) to Say to People:

“He is Allah, the One and Only. Allah, the Eternal. He does not give birth to anyone nor did anyone give birth to Him. And there is No one equal to Him.”

As to Prophet Jesus (a.s.) being the son of God. Allah (s.w.t) always addresses him in the Qur’an as son of Mary. Prophet Jesus (a.s) is compared to Prophet Adam (a.s.) and Eve who were born without mother and father. For Prophet Jesus (a.s.) who died on the Cross, Allah (s.w.t) said in the Qur’an, He is alive and raised him up to heaven and the one on the Cross was not him but a look-alike of prophet Jesus(a.s.). Can’t Allah do it to save His beloved prophet? Of course, He can. It is easy for Him to do everything He wishes to do. He created the whole universe and everything in it with His Word “BE” and everything is created! But to save His beloved Prophet Jesus (a.s) from crucifixion, He can’t do It? Allah (s.w.t.) is Supreme Being - - whatever He wishes to do, He Can including saving Prophet Jesus from dying on the Cross. But of course, as a created Being like all Humans, prophet Jesus (a.s.) will come back on earth and die like all humans. Allah (s.w.t) said in the Qur’an, Christians’ confusion about the matter of prophet Jesus (a.s.) will continue until the Day of Judgement.

29 June 2009 at 12:04  
Blogger Maria said...

Allah (s.w.t.) chose only prophets and messengers to guide us, Human Beings. All prophets including prophet Jesus (a.s.), prophet Moses (a.s.) and many others had only one message - - There is no god but Allah” (“Laa Ilaaha IllaAllah” in Arabic) - - but people changed this message when the prophet was gone from them. For example, prophet Jesus did not say that “He is Son of God and Worship him”. It is Paul (or Saul) who made it up so that it was easier for the pagans that time who worshipped Sun, Moon, Stars and Planets to accept Jesus. This is recorded in Acts in the New Testament.

Allah (s.w.t) said also in the Qur’an that He gave Gospel ("Injil" in Arabic) as a Book to guide the people during Prophet Jesus’s time but even this Book is no longer the Gospel that Allah revealed. The Gospel now that Christians follow as Gospels are according to Luke, Matthew, Mark and John. These people are not even disciples of Prophet Jesus (a.s.). Mark was written 60 to 75 A.C. He was the son of St. Barnabas’ sister. Mathew was a tax collector, a minor official who did not travel around Jesus. Luke’s Gospel was written much later, and is in fact drawn from the same source as Mark’s and Mathew’s. Luke was Paul’s physician and like Paul never met Jesus. John’s Gospel was written in about 100 A.C. He should not be confused with John, the Disciple who was another man.

As to Michael Jackson’s being a Muslim, Muslims are happy when a non-muslim accepts Islam because Muslims don’t want a non-muslim live in pain or misery forever. If MJ died as a muslim or not is all a matter on the Hands of Allah (s.w.t). If to us, he was bad but could we see and feel what was in his heart? Only Allah (s.w.t.) can see it, therefore, with the Mercy of Allah (s.w.t), Michael Jackson could be a Muslim when he died. Allah (s.w.t.) can forgive even a murderer or worst person on earth if that person has done a good deed that pleases or makes Allah (s.w.t) happy.

As to Heaven and Hell in Life After Death, the reason this is mentioned in the Qur’an all the time is To Warn Us, Human Beings that our life has an end in this world whether we like it or not. While Life After Death Will Never End, so, for those who follow the Religion of God ("Allah" in Arabic) will stay forever in Paradise. While for those who don’t follow the Religion of Allah will stay forever in hell, a drop of its flame will melt the whole universe. So, imagine if you are in hell for the rest of your life.

29 June 2009 at 12:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As this world comes to an end and the signs of the Bible are clear, it is still a question of are you ready? And regardless if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ or not or the Devil, the direct question is, do you want to find out in the end or now and risk ending up in hell's fire. People live in the now and curse the future, while they shuffle their bottles, garbage into the correct containers. Problem is the earth as God made it is so damaged, as is many souls. Michael Jackson is an example of a household of many of today, where the head of the household did not lead his family in the correct way. And greed of this world was more important than training up a child in the way they should go and they will not depart from it. If they knew Jesus Christ,Michael and his siblings and Mother would of prayed together, read the word of God and lived it from Genesis to Revelations and believed on the promises of God. In John 3:16, God gave his son Jesus Christ and for our sins so we could know we could live a overcoming life. He left his Holy Sprit so we would have a comforter to pray to and aid us in this life. Allah was only a prophet. He did not rise on the 3rd day, he did not do miracles. The bible is the best selling book in the world and many have started reading and then it's very words changed their lives. No other religion can do that and no other religion can say like I know Jesus Christ blood is what covers the true Christian. Jesus Christ died a violent death that he did not have to; but because he loved us so he took our sins. I love the Lord Jesus and I know Michael would of lived, if only.Today,in this Jackson family,we are witnessing a brakedown that our culture sees on the news daily. Without the Lord Jesus one will wonder this earth and never find peace with-in, never. His father will answer to God in Judgement and that's biblical. Teach your family the word of God and pray you are seeking the right way. I am sad for Michael Jackson and we all should feel the sadness, if one is human. Money is not the answer to peace, only to bills. We should pray he received the Lord Jesus before he left this earth. There is no waiting place, the soul leaves instantly upon the breath gone out of the body. As one day it will be with all of us. But the question is, is your soul right with the Lord Jesus, you may not have tomorrow.

29 June 2009 at 12:24  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Maria, is it not taught that guaranteed forgiveness of sins is granted only when a Muslim goes on the Haj, & only then for past sins, or when he/she forfeits their life to promote Islam? other than this it is a question of religous observance to a high degree plus a lot of hope that one has done enough to earn the forgiveness of Allah?.

29 June 2009 at 12:31  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

I'm glad we have the option here to scroll past all that Koran trash. Why they imagine we'll read it, I don't know.

29 June 2009 at 13:00  
Blogger Terry Hamblin said...

It is perhaps appropriate that the good Archbishop should be entirely orthodox in his beliefs. As for the rest of you, you have exposed the horrors of the false religions that you beleve in whether it be Islam, JWism or atheism.

I have studiously avoided the Michael Jackson phenomenon for all of my life and have no idea of his excellence or otherwise in his chosen profession - its not one I'm interested in. But he was a man like any other and unless he had put his trust in Jesus Christ as his only saviour then he is destined for outer darkness like everyone else.

29 June 2009 at 13:07  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

I agree churchmouse.Ill conceived immigration policies have a lot to answer for.

29 June 2009 at 13:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Random web-surfer.

Shocked and displeased with the level of discourse by people who claim to be believers in our lord Jesus Christ.

We have more in common with Islam then we'd like to admit.

We need to reform our discourse:

29 June 2009 at 14:34  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

The level of discourse has certainly degenerated since the Islamic contingent has invaded this site with mindless ravings,
deplorable syntax,bad manners and and a lamentable lack of humour. I would like to think that I have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever with Islam and I hope this situation never alters.

29 June 2009 at 15:09  
Anonymous Got the Guts to wear God said...

A look at quantum physics can help open a mind and plant a new seed...even some of the old Jane Roberts books.

29 June 2009 at 15:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry but you are wrong about Islamic ideas of "earning" your way into Heaven/Paradise. The hadith state that even if you did all good works, it would still not be enough to get into jannah (heaven). The reality is that its the grace and mercy of Allah that gets people into Heaven. You need to check your sources and actually talk to Muslims who are theologians as I have. And yes, I am an Imam.

29 June 2009 at 15:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Michael Jackson was wearing a japa mala around his neck on some photos of the lastest rehearsals, which could make him either Hindi or Buddhist. But than again I don't think they would burn his body publicly ...

Where ever his soul went his music is immortal!

29 June 2009 at 15:29  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I've been keeping score: Since I'm an agnostic I don't have a vested religious interest.

Advantage Christians...

29 June 2009 at 15:34  
Blogger Gnostic said...


29 June 2009 at 15:37  
Anonymous asfar said...

Why worry? It doesn't matter where MJ will be buried. Allah (God) knows better and let Him be the Judge.

Furthermore we're not given the license to judge whether he'll end in Hell or Heaven.

We don't even know our own plight when we die one day. Don't you think it's a waste of time?

29 June 2009 at 16:41  
Anonymous len said...

Christians have an assurance of where they will spend eternity.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes Him who sent me, has eternal life, he does not come into judgment, but he has passed from death unto life"( John 5:24)
In contrast the Muslim has no assurance of anything, unless he dies during Jihad.

29 June 2009 at 19:06  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Bloody Hell, this conversation turned into a fungus pit of infected wart puss.

I am retiring Your Grace. I have closed down my useless blog and I am withdrawing into quiet contemplation. I am going to make a huge concerted effort to get my psychologically damaged personage into a church somewhere. I have neither the strength nor the will to engage in this anymore.

Good luck

29 June 2009 at 20:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how can islam be the right religion when you muslims say that there is nothing wrong in it. how come there is a statement where it stands that the sun sets in murky water. one more thing, the life of jesus is written by people that lived with him and the quran has nothing to do with jesus. in the quran it stands that jesus didn't die in the cross but in the bible it stands that he died on the cross. the bible is written by people who saw him die and resurect. the quran that came 600 years after his death has a whole diffrent story. now tell me, would you belive something that is written in his time by his apostels or somthing that is written by a man (mohammad) that has nothing to do with jesus and lived 600 years after?, the quran is a violent religion and people who are muslims does not even now anything about the quran. people say that they have read it in translate. well the quran is in a difficult arabic grammer so if you really want to now the truth about islam then you have to read it in arabic and learn arabic in a really high level. one more thing. i think that NO girl wants to be a muslim, you have to start treating them like human beings... christianity is the real religion. jesus is the son of god! mohammad was a false prophet!

29 June 2009 at 20:49  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Maria, 29 June at 12:08

I read your comment as far as the first mistake. I didn't have to read very much: there's a serious mistake as early as the second line, where you write: "All prophets including prophet Jesus." Wrong. Jesus was not a prophet.

29 June 2009 at 23:31  
Blogger McKenzie said...

My going away present.

Special Treat For Michael Jackson Fans.

30 June 2009 at 00:16  
Blogger Maria said...


Allah (s.w.t.) created us, mankind and all the things we see & can't see ( I am saying this because there is another being that is completely the same as us but we can't see, in arabic, they are called "Jinns") only TO WORSHIP ALLAH . For example, the trees they worship Allah by standing tall and giving breeze throught their leaves when there is wind. That is how Allah says to them on how to worship Him. They are therefore, muslims as they only do what Allah tells them to do.

Naturally, all religious observances, actions and deeds must be based on the intention to please or make Allah happy since for us human beings and jinns, we worship Allah through His Commandments in the Qur'an and guidance of prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s).

If a muslim goes for Haj or observe other religious observances only to show off that he is religious, that can't attain forgiveness. But if at this moment, while I am sitting with my computer, I ask Allah sincerely with all my heart to forgive me, with the Mercy of Allah (s.w.t.), He can forgive me easily.

Allah (s.w.t) is the Most Forgiving and the Most Merciful. His Mercy extends to all His Creation whether you are muslim or not. That's the reason that when Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, etc.. pray & asks to whatever he calls as God, it is answered because the One who answered that is Allah (s.w.t.). Allah (s.w.t) is Sustainer and Carer of All His Creation whether one believes Him or not.

Forgiveness in Islam is gained in so many ways not only through religious observances. If you have mercy to any of Allah's creation even to a dog, ants, & other tiny animals, Allah (s.w.t.) can easily forgive your sins by just taking care sincerely to them.


30 June 2009 at 01:58  
Blogger Maria said...

Hank Petram,

I was a devoted Catholic Christian before I accepted Islam. I know how you and other people here feel that Christianity is not taught by Jesus (Peace be Upon Him)but taught by Paul who was originally a Jew. You can read about him in Acts in the New Testament how he make Jesus (P.B.U.H.) as son of God. I grew up and raised to believe about trinity & to always pray to Jesus (P.B.U.H.) as Lord and Saviour. This was the reason that it was really hard for me to believe in Islam in the beginning. But what I did when I was studying about Islam, I did not study the Books about Islam. I studied the Bible and how the Bible came into being and all the Gospels in the New Testament. But before reading them, I asked Jesus as during that time I don't pray to Allah but to Jesus, I asked Jesus to give me truth and the light through the Bible. Praise be to Allah (s.w.t.), He answered my prayers. It is not easy to accept the truth but only Allah (s.w.t.) can do that for He is the only one who knows what's in our hearts.

If you are interested I can give you the copy of the History on how the Bible came into existence. I wrote what I have studied.

Just let me know if you are interested.


30 June 2009 at 02:14  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Anon 15.14
You are right in saying that a man cannot earn his way into heaven, but having said that, what good are religous rituals or ceremonies if the requirement for salvation is a sinless sacrifice for mans sin? Only Jesus fulfills the Old testament prophecies of Messiah, but why did He come? to be that sacrifice!. I don't believe that a loving God would toy with His children & hide from them, leaving them in a state of unknowing about their eternal destiny. A prophet is either true or false, if you see Jesus as a true prophet, then listen to His words about Himself & His mission, but He didn't leave us the option to pick & mix His teaching. God made it very simple for all to be assured of salvation, but the choice is ours, we take it or leave it, take it & be certain of salvation, leave it & live in uncertainty, trying to please a capricious God Who might just decide to cast you into eternal fire for some misdemeanor you forgot about. I'll stick with Jesus & trust Him, as a true prophet He does not lie, His love & presence are always near His promise of salvation is sure.
May God bless all true seekers & open the eyes of those that sincerely search for Him.

30 June 2009 at 02:15  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Rock on McKenzie!

30 June 2009 at 02:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

((These are imperatives for all Muslims and the only guard against Shaytaan.))

imperative yes but guard against Shytan or(( devil)) this is strange I asm a muslim and this is the first time I hear this thing from you? because after death you'll be resting until the judgment day. The mission of Shytan or the devil ends with the death of the person.

30 June 2009 at 02:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

firstly Koran is not a religion Islam is the religion..Quran has never and cannot ever be changed Allah swt has an angel huarding every single letter..whereas the Bible already has been changed the old testament then the new testamant..we shudnt argue here pls educated yourselves first by reading the old/new testament the taurah and then the translation of the quran...
do u know that ur book states u cannot eat swine and yet u do..that dirty animal eats his / her own poo how cud u eat the Quran it mentions in Surah Al Anam eat of meats that allahs names been read...the swine just gives diseases to makind..luk now pure example 'swine flu'!!
another point I AM MUSLIM WOMAN and I am happy with it whoever said no woman wants to be u know Islam is the fastest growing religion and so many ppl converting everyday as they find the truth in it...
another thing us women wear 'hijab' (headscarf) do u know that Maryam (Mary) wore it 2 and the dress of a anun is so similar to our abaya/sacrf..and Christians back in the day never entered church or for prayer without 1..problem is in time they became too modern and started changing their religion

30 June 2009 at 02:40  
Anonymous Preacher said...

I am sorry that you exchanged one religion for another. It's not religion that is the answer, but relationship with the living God. It,s not enough to learn about Him, but to Know Him personally. As an ex agnostic I thank God that He revealed Himself to me & through His wonderful son Jesus brought me to salvation in one incredible night. He who is forgiven much loves much, & that's why I will serve & love Him for ever, to actually know The Lord is the most wonderful experience that anyone can have & one I hope that you & others will know Him as I do. I do not seek to win arguments or debate over religous gnats, but simply to introduce the lost to the saviour of all mankind. If they accept Him or reject Him is up to them & you, He will wait & love you, but time is the enemy of man as the unexpected demise of Michael Jackson proved & when it runs out it's too late to change. goodnight, God bless, sleep well.

30 June 2009 at 02:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear Mr cranmer,Is MJ died as Muslim,Allah know best,his relative know better than us so let them decide.But plz STOP wrote something stupid and far way from truth about Islam(unless you have bad intention to Islam)because it show how idiot and retard you let correct your mistake as defination is not haram in islam,what make haram is music that mix with thing us far way from Allah,(ie listen music and while forgot to solat).

2.It is highly recommended that the body be buried immediately, however if their is a reason for the autopsy to be done (ie determine the cause of death in case of foul play) than it should be permissible.Our deeds our based on intention, and I am not aware of anything that would prohibit an autopsy.

3.about Mj debt,so far i know at the end of his life,Mj had tried as he could including had planned a series of comeback concerts and sell some part of Neverland,and that is good Muslim and i belief that his family will took care his debt.

im actually feel sad went there person like you(cranmer) still what to bring thing like his debt,his autopsy,his relligon, just let him R.i.p and let his family took care all the things
- let be Allah be with you MJ always-

30 June 2009 at 02:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God Bless U MJ, what a funny and strange idea the writer wrote about Islam it seems that he know nothing about Islam he is just good is saying words like Quran and Janzzah and so but i must confess that iam muslim but what that man said about islam is first time for me to hear.
If MJ converted to Islam or not that make no diffrence for Allah and to Muslims to go around his grave or tomb or whatever
U know what Islam saying in Quran speak good about died ppl talk always positive about them and u didnt noticed anything about MJ history how he was a great singer and so plz stop giving bad idea about Islam to ppl u show no respect we r all humans by the end
La Ilah Ila Allah
Mohamed Rasol Allah

30 June 2009 at 03:23  
Blogger Maria said...


Don't be sorry for me that I accepted Islam. When Allah (s.w.t) created the soul for each of us, He gathered & collected all our souls and asked Who is your God? All of us said, "You, Allah!", "La Ilaha IllaAllah" - - There is no god but Allah.

Therefore, we are Muslims (arabic for one who submits to the will of Allah) when we are born. But if the one who takes care of us (most often, our parents) becomes a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Jehovah Witness, etc..., naturally, we also become a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc...

When I accepted Islam (arabic for Submission to God in order to live peacefully), I just reverted or went back to my natural religion - -- the religion of Jesus Christ (P.B.U.H.).

Jesus (P.B.U.H.) is himself a true Muslim because he always followed what Allah (s.w.t.) tells him to do.

Praise be to Allah (s.w.t.), He made me muslim again. My duty is only to convey the message to you according to my little knowledge for I am not a muslim scholar. If you can't grasp the message of Islam, just ask Jesus Christ to give you the truth and light for as you said "time is the enemy of man as the unexpected demise of Michael Jackson proved & when it runs out it's too late to change."

30 June 2009 at 03:48  
Blogger redz1 said...

Mr Cranmer,

What's with the statement "Since Michael Jackson had a sudden heart attack, he did not have time to say ‘La Ilaha Illa Allah’, and so has not gone straight to paradise. Unlucky him"??? What's up with that? How can u put a statement like this? How can u be so confident saying the word HAS NOT? Are u a God? Were u there to witness Michael's / Mikaeel's death? Do u know what does ‘La Ilaha Illa Allah’ mean? It means "There Is No God But Allah", I repeat "No God BUT Allah"... Btw, "Unlucky him"? Why? Just because he didnt have d time to say it and so didnt manage to go to paradise?

My friend, if u're a Muslim then u should know the basic about Islam. One of the five pillars of Islam is Syahadaah. This is one of the keys of becoming a Muslim... MJ did it when he converted to Islam. Once he becomes a Muslim, all his sins in the past have been forgiven & starts with a new life as a Muslim.

Plus anything that happened or going to happen, there's still time for us to do what is necessary for us to do or need to do even when we're having a heart attack. The time when people (doesnt matter whatever religion) are in massive pain, excitement, sorrow, etc they'll praise their God. What Im trying to say here is MJ said the Syahadaah, MJ converted to Islam and MJ is a Muslim. And when he was fighting with the pain, he still HAVE THE TIME until his heart completely stops. Who knows maybe MJ manage to say just "Allah" or "Oh God" or "My God", etc. Since he's a Muslim so who is his God? Allah knows better than we do so we cant say that MJ didnt manage to say it & thus didnt go to paradise. That's far beyond our senses & capabilities & that is God's business.

May Allah rest Mikaeel's soul...

30 June 2009 at 05:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there's muslim got accidental death, he doesnt have to say kalimah sahadah, All Indonesians like me knows that. Islam and Quran is not a sky or angel religion, it down to earth, to human with their habbits, so only Allah can judge His men. Islam has beautifulness too like christianity. I Believe Michael Jackson die as good muslim, like malcolm X.

30 June 2009 at 06:18  
Anonymous DDT said...

All these Mozzies swarming round the corpse!! Lord, it's disgusting.

30 June 2009 at 06:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone please stop the ravings of Muslim lunatics here.

30 June 2009 at 06:23  
Anonymous justme said...

All you people are just using this site to put other religions down. just because you don't believe in other religions but your own doesn't mean you are superior to others. That idiot that put something having to do with Jehovah's witnesses having murderers and criminals... what's with that? I suppose YOUR religion only has saints that do not lie, cheat or steal. I would like to see the actual and true statistics of that; not some made up trash info that can be found on websites with false info and gossip magazines that later recant their stories. You people are putting your own interpretation of other religions such as JW's, muslims and islamics without really researching. If you are going to talk trash of others at least get the truth before you open your mouths and leave Michael Jackson alone. Who cares what religion he belonged to? everyone has a right to believe what they want. He beleived what he wanted to believe in and that is that. It's people like you that like to talk trash of others and judge others (like many judged MJ during his trials without having any evidence just to be able to talk and write trash about him like you are doing now about the different religions) that make this world a garbage dump.
May God Bless his family and help them cope with their loss.

30 June 2009 at 06:38  
Anonymous More flit, please... said...

Anon @ 6:23 - I agree. Actually, I suspect it's rather a blessing that they can't write in English.

And hey - if they want the poor thing's wreck of a body, that's up to the family. I just wish they'd take the mess away from my nose.

30 June 2009 at 07:18  
Anonymous More Flit, Puhleaze... said...

Anon @ 6:23 - I agree. Actually, I suspect it's rather a blessing that they can't write in English.

And hey - if they want the poor thing's wreck of a relic, that's up to the family. I just wish they'd take the mess away from my nose.

30 June 2009 at 07:21  
Anonymous More Flit... said...

Sorry for the double posting - the system did it... I hope we haven't caught anything from them.

30 June 2009 at 07:24  
Blogger srizals said...

You sure talk a lot for someone who knows too little about Islam. Were you there when MJ takes his last breath?? Know this, when a man takes his last breath, he is alone, even though there is a lot of people with him at that moment. He is alone with the Angel of death. Yes, Muslims do try to remind his dying fellow Muslim the profession that 'There is no God but Allah' - La illah ha illallah -the basic foundation of the Muslim faith. (I wonder what do Christians should say in his last breath before he meets his Maker.)
And so that u and the rest should know, Allah is so merciful that ones only need to repent from his sins to enter paradise even though his sins is like the bubbles in the whole shores of the seas. Allah's mercy is greater. And Allah doesn't take into account of one sins when he was not a Muslim. Even the Muslim is forgiven 5 times daily everyday when he or she performs the 5 prayers daily starting even when he takes the ablution. Sins are dropping with the drops of water from his or her face. I hope you said it with true conviction when u said that Allah sacrificed his own 'son' for man's salvation. Muslim even believe that when Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son, Ishmael, he followed it to the last, until he could felt the warmth blood oozing on his hands, that when he opened his eyes, to his amazement, he was slaughtering a goat (brought by his angel from paradise to replace his sacrifice) with Ishmael watching what he was doing beside him. This is the mercy of Allah and u claimed that Allah the Almighty God let his 'son' brutally tortured and had to endured humiliation and torment from his creation? Just in order to please or save his weakly creation from damnation? Of Adam's sin? What blasphemy! Muslim believe that it was not Christ who was crucified that day but he was saved by Allah and even the first Christian believed it too.

30 June 2009 at 08:55  
Blogger srizals said...

Go to Jerusalem and ask them to show a place they believed God lift the prophet Christ to the heaven. And for your information, Allah is not the creation, He is the Creator, so how's on earth or logic does he takes his weakling creation's attributes like having a son, or having urges to go to the loo when millions of billions of his creation in the whole universe is depending of Him. God doesn't have his creation's attributes and is not bound to his own laws, He is the Law. He transcend time and space and is not bound to anything except righteousness. Some say that Allah is a pagan God, worshiped by pagans since the beginning of time. Can't they see the logic, it is only the continuity of man's faith even though it became corrupted through the ages of time, that the only God is Allah,(the meaning in arabic itself is God). Some even claimed that Islam is a photocopy of Judaism and Christianity since it came last. Can't u see the continuity? Moses was a man and a prophet, Christ was a man and a prophet and Muhammad was a prophet, the last prophet before doomsday to be precise. A series of prophets, God's messengers to all human kind.
Most of the Jews didn't accept Muhammad even though they knew about him from Torah just because he wasn't a Jew. Talk about anti Semite. And they say that all men are descended from the prophet Adam, the first human.

30 June 2009 at 08:56  
Blogger srizals said...

Read the history of man. Find any mass destruction and major loss of human life because of Islam. You will find that it was the Christians that do most of the mass brutal merciless killings of helpless babies, little children, women and old men in the name of collateral damage. The 6 millions Jews weren't gassed by Muslims, We Muslims sheltered them in our nations, while u persecuted them because u believe that Jews killed Christ. (But u believe it was God's will to sacrifice his 'son' for the sake of his creation. (Don't u think it should be the other way around?)I think it is more logical that we sacrificed our lives for God's sake. This is what the Palestinians are doing, Muslims and Christians, in facing the savagery of the Zionist Israel. Why do u think that even the peaceful Jews are against the inhumane occupation of Palestine. Read the history books. The Philistine are the native of Palestine. The Jews at that time were enslaved by the Pharaoh of Egyptian. It was the prophet Moses who saved them by cutting the red sea with his staff and brought them to Palestine, and when they were asked to face the fierce Phlistinian tribes, they asked Moses to go to war with God for them. Read and u will understand why there weren't so many Jews embraced Islam. It is not because God has forsaken them. It is the other way around. In fact they were the chosen people. Allah favored them among the human race. Read, seek the truth. U will find it. Uncover everything. Try to find the fault of Islam. And u will only fing the fault of its followers. Because we are only human, just like u. But unlike u, we do not worship the human god. It is ungodly. Oh one other thing. Do not quote some solitary so called Islamic views such as we believe that Satan has the power to torture our souls or corpse if we are not buried within some period of time. We believe even though our bodies is blown to bits and not properly buried, or just left to rot, our souls is in God's protection. U see when we died it no longer concerns us what is the fate of our earthly body. It is due to respect that Muslims handle their passed ones in such dignified ways. Oh one more thing, We believe Satan is powerless. He's not going to torture us in his hell. He's going to hell and he's bringing as many as he can, the descendants of Adam with him, to suffer with him, not by him.
When Allah first created Adam, Allah decrees that all of his angel should bow down in humiliation to Adam as a gesture of respect. All obeyed except Azazel, He was proud and disobeyed Allah's decree. And when asked by Allah,why didn't he obey when he was asked by Allah to prostrate, he said he is made from fire while Adam is created from a mere soil. This is where it all began. And when he was cursed by Allah, he asked that he be spared until doomsday to prove to Allah that Adam's descendants is not worthy of Allah's love. Allah granted him but warned that those who damned themselves for not trying to understand or accepting or finding the truth even though he had found it and knew about it deep in his heart will burn in eternity with Satan, (whose power is only to whisper doubts in the human's heart), except those who always tries to purifies him or herself and always trying to find the truth'. No matter how far and hard it is. Understand this. And u will find the truth. And u will find what MJ had found, along with 1.5 billions Muslims worldwide. Yes, we have our own problems and weaknesses just like u, we are only human. But read the Koran and understand the basis of Islam, u will know the secret of creation.

30 June 2009 at 08:57  
Blogger Robert said...

Way to heavy man, how about stuffing him a few Little motors stuff a computer up his butt and make him moon walk hey presto Sony can make some more money out of him, Disney will buy the body and put it on display ten bucks in a slot and he moon walks.

30 June 2009 at 09:24  
Anonymous Liberator said...

Much ranting, but no common sense. What if Jackson died as a Christian or converted from Islam to Christianity? would you all be so quick to claim him and defend him then? honest answers only please.

30 June 2009 at 11:03  
Anonymous Imran said...

Hey "Anonymous 29 June 2009 20:49", Don't teach us Islam because you are not Muslim and you have committed a huge sin by giving comments about our beloved Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W).

Don't you know the teachings of Islam about those people who are disrespectful to the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W) and the punishment is Death in Islam and after that a guaranteed "HELL".

You really have no knowledge about Islam. Let me clear you one thing: According to Islam, We Muslims have guarantee of Heaven even if we commit sins in entire life except "Shirk" (Comparing someone with Allah or preaching someone else than Allah) but people from all other religions will be the fuel of heaven even if they do good things in their entire life.

And your comments about our Holy QURAN are out of sense and greatly sinful. All the events in Quran are stated from Adam (A.S) (who was the first Prophet and Man on Earth) which was hundreds of years before your bible and Issa (A.S.)(you call him Jesus). It proves that your bible has been amended by people as the time passed so teachings of real bible has vanished by those people. The present bible is absolutely wrong.

Issa (A.S.) (Your Jesus) is alive and he will return before judgment day to testify that Islam is the best religion and I hope you to live long to check that with your own eyes.

He is not the son of Allah just like Adam (A.S) who had no parents. Allah has no parents and no children. This is the biggest proof for people like you. Now, its up to you to believe it or not. Just check Quran and read it carefully so that you can understand the truth !

ALLAH-HO-AKBAR ! (Allah is Great)

30 June 2009 at 11:04  
Blogger srizals said...

Excuse me, the nature to defend is only natural when one is being attack so viciously especially when one lies dead in a coffin. The remarks that I've read in most blogosphere about MJ and his association with Islam has caused my line of defense. (Not to mention the humiliation thrown at Islam itself.) If MJ died a Christian, he would hv received lots of praises from u all, but it is still rumors, but what did u guys did?? Belittling him with sick sarcasm such as Muhammad too preferred kid so MJ joined him. What do u expect? U want us just to take it down in our throats, sit back n enjoy it?? (and we Muslims might not have to defend him in the first place, (his faith is not confirmed yet) but instead defend ourselves from ur onslaught verbally and physically out in the battlefield, where we, our children and babies bled and died horribly for ur amusement. (since ur smart bombs are not that smart and cannot pin point the bearded man with guns and babies with bottles).

30 June 2009 at 11:39  
Blogger srizals said...

When Israel bombed the cornered helpless civilians, most of them babies, women, and children with ur high tech savvy weaponry, the world watched in awe. But when some Muslims, being so humiliated and out of frustration, in years of oppressions turned hostile into renegade Muslims, abandoning the principles of Islam not to kill the innocents children or civilians, went on a killing spree, u quickly judged us all, branding us all, indiscriminately with ludicrous acts and statements through out the world, even in Denmark, where people there never saw a single bullet fired by extremist Muslims. And u called it the freedom of speech. It's freedom for u to say anything but we are not allowed such exclusive right. But I salute u for having an open mind in reading my comments, I return the favor of reading ur comments. The door swings in both ways. And hopefully we can start stopping attacking each other both verbally and physically. And the world will be better than this. PS- I don't consider anyone as my enemy or myself supreme above others. I can be wrong. I'm just defending my faith from cowardice attacks.

30 June 2009 at 11:40  
Blogger srizals said...

Maria, I salute u. n my salam 2 u. I hope all Muslims that is struggling within themselves in the onslaught of porn, prejudice, hatred, bias n way of thinking, cornered through out the world can find some inspiration in ur comments. It did with me. 2 my Muslim brothers n sisters, restrain urself, don't over do it. There's no place of extremism in Islam. Allah do not favor those who over do it in anything, even when fighting the enemies in the battle field. It is always in the center. The moderate way. The way of the Wise. In the end it's not about whose religion that's going to prevail (like it is stated in this blog) but it is only about the truth. n it will prevail. With our tears, sorrow, pain and blood. N sacrifice. My heart bleed with those who continuously suffered through out the world, Muslims or Non Muslims. U see, Humans don't deserve to be treated like animals. It will bring out the animal in them. It already brought out the animal in u. Those who think they are better and holier and the rest who is different, doesn't deserve to live or prosper like themselves wanted to live n prosper.

30 June 2009 at 12:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Srizal,

Your logic is the same logic that Gad has. Are you Absolutely sure about you facts? God can be in any form he like spiritual or physical form. And you must now that God is every where even inside each and every one of us.How can you stupidly suggest that if he God in human form He will be weak? Jesus walks the Earth and teach about love and resurrection and was recorded by his disciples and How on earth that Islam and You prophet Mohamad which was 600 years behind and some 200 hundreds years before an al Quran written says that the Christian has Change the Bible. You can see many facts from Quran were base on the Bible. Mohamad has made war to his Arab brothers and and responsible of the man who were kill in those many war.Jesus say love everybody but Islam say Jihad War. I watch a TV program syaing that if a man died in jihad od islam, waiting for him 7 beautiful angel (women) in Heaven. My question is i a woman died of Jihad would there be 7 handsome angel(man) waiting for her too? Jesus died on the cross and rose again to show you that he is indeed God in his human form. Many event recorded in the bible saying that he can do many miracles just to name a few, healing many sicks people and bring the dead to life a again.Yes he died and risen. This show that He is the way. the only thing i now what Mohamad do is to have many wives even underage wife and so call Jihad war. False prophet that leads to hell.False Fatwa saying that a contract marriage is ok to avoid sin? u say u cannot worship idols? worshiping the kaabah is ok.The funny thing that your prayer were only in Arabs. That the your god cannot understand others human language? Read the bible and you see the truth will set you free. Christianity teach about loyalty to your spouse but Islam allowed divorce and polygamy? Men were superior than women in Islam and never respect the woman. False Fatwa to Arab man lust for women and greeds. Mohamad is a false Prophet. Just like what was mentioned in the bible there will be false prophets that leads people to hell?

30 June 2009 at 12:14  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Muslim, Christian, what does it matter, it's all a load of nonsense anyway.

He's dead, no longer living, that's all.

But since you all seem to want to claim him as one of "your gang" (whichever gang you subscribe to0 there is now 99 comments of nonsense on the subject. Grow up out of the past people and just think for yourself rather than how some thousand year old book tells you to.

30 June 2009 at 12:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They're outlawing religion. It's on CNN right now.

30 June 2009 at 13:04  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

If only.

30 June 2009 at 13:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Hello Anonymous, Glad to get acquainted. What's ur name again?
Oh Anonymous.
U see the Muslim is one ummah, or one people. That's why they are required to pray towards one direction (Kaaba) (Muslims throughout the world pray by facing the Kaaba n not having an idol of Kaaba or some sort like that in front of him, n if u watch the haj video, u can see it is only a symbol of oneness n not a thing to be worship, like an Idol, since thousands of people are circling it n even some prayed and prostrate in it, without facing any specific corners.)and recite the Koran in what do u expect, one common language, no matter what's ur mother tongue is. Muslims can pray together, whatever races they are. Oh I think women in Islam is treated way better than ur women. Ur women are treated as a sex object. Where do u think the word Pornstars come from? It is sure not arabic. U have histories of oppression regardless of race n sex. U hv churches' scandals that involves ur head men of religion or Imam in our religion, in raping n molesting boys, esp in the USA. Do u know that the church hv 2 fork out huge amount of money to compensate the victims.(in this near decade of ours, not some thousand years ago). N yet no Muslims labeled ur christians saints as sex maniac. Find this fact if u don't believe it. Oh yes, u r allowed to have sex as long as its adult consent, without any string attached. Its ok to have sex with whores, ( yes, all the sex related diseases came from Islam cultures) as long as u kept to ur holy matrimony, even gay marriage is allowed in ur religion. Talk about common sense.

30 June 2009 at 13:16  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Your Grace,

One quite persuasive answer to the Jehovah's Witnesses v. Muslim funeral dilemma may be found here:

Hat tip: Kathy Shaidle/5 Feet of Fury

30 June 2009 at 14:26  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Srizals. I respect your spirited defence of your faith, I would be disappointed if it proved otherwise, I presume that the opinions you express are your own, and they are laudable, but the facts remain that in many Islamic countries peaceful christians are persecuted by Islamic governments, attacked and often murdered or executed for daring to hold a different point of view to the Muslim concept of God, and if an adult Muslim decides to leave Islam He is according to sharia law an outlaw, worthy of death. whereas the christian faith allows a person to choose the path that they believe is true. We may not agree with it and may try to persuade them or dissuade them, but the choice remains theirs. To kill them does not reflect the God that I serve or the teachings of Jesus who revere as a prophet. I am amazed, but I swear that the word verification I have is bible, make of it what you will gents.

30 June 2009 at 17:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pathetic JW and Christians.. not to forget i can see some hindus and buddist are here too. For everyone comfort , let me just tell you....MJ was a muslim .Period. Whether heis buried as muslim or not thats different story. Period.
Whether you said good or bad about him , trust me , it is not affecting MJ a bit. Period.

Btw , JW sux man

30 June 2009 at 18:12  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

They all suck every single last one of them. Stop trying to make out your gang is better than another that is equally hypocritical and logically flawed.

30 June 2009 at 19:09  
Blogger srizals said...

Dear Preacher,
I'm sorry if any of my comments hurt any of the feelings of the people here. It is not my intention. I'm just sad that people like to condemn and ridicule like they know everything there is to know, that's all.
You stated your allegations without pin pointing to specific names, countries or laws or time line of the so call Islamic countries persecuting Christians, so it would be quite hard for me to respond.
But have u forgotten the Spanish inquisition? Where Jews and Muslims were persecuted mercilessly because of their faith? How about April fools? When Muslims are lured to their death with promise of safe journey out of Spain?
Or the massacre of helpless Muslims and Jews when the Crusaders invaded and established kingdom of heaven in Jerusalem? U can't say the same when Saladin won it from the Christian, can u. Because all these are recordings of historical events that cannot be manipulated or changed.
How about the slavery of Muslims African by Americans? Yes, they washed their sins by killing each other in their civil war, but history is still history.
It can't be changed because it is in the past. How about the cruel imperialism by the Italian, British and Spanish had brought upon onto the world? Last thing I heard, Italy is saying sorry to Libya for its Imperialism. I wonder when would Great Britain be great enough to do the same to the Commonwealth countries which wealth had been robbed by it back in the good old days.

30 June 2009 at 19:10  
Blogger srizals said...

The only nation on this earth that nuke helpless civilians is the USA. N everyone is afraid such WMD would fall onto the hands of the extremist, when history had shown it was the Christian that had used such weapon to annihilate not armies but heavily populated civilians. Despite all these, you never hear Muslims or others labeling Christians with degrading remarks or associating all Christians as crazy blood thirsty Christians or some sort like that. But when a handful of terrorists killed 3,000 lives, almost in an instant, Islam got the bad name. Is this just? Or coincidence? Muslims had ruled India for hundred of years, yet they remained minority. Is it written in history that Muslim rulers ever forced its subject to convert or die or be banished from their homeland? The Hindus were not massacred back then. Can't say the same for Muslims. Stop supporting those who oppress, n live what u preach. N the world would be safer 4 us all. Terrorist won't have a reason to go crazy and terrorized! But continue with support for oppressions and tyranny, u reap what u sow. It would be hard for moderate Muslims to restrain extremism in the mind of the young ones who watched in horror as their helpless sisters n brothers brutally raped, tortured n murdered.

30 June 2009 at 19:11  
Anonymous Preacher said...

I'm sure that anybody that takes part in open debate should not take offence if another with strong opinions disagrees with them, if they do they should not be involved in the first place.
I think that most sensible people would agree that the historical events that you refer to were wrong in every respect. most originated from greedy men using any excuse including religion to further there own evil designs. In these times men were more primitive, & professing christians massacred each other, you could have chosen Hastings, Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt & of course Constantinople, the list is endless & would include Mohammed's wars in establishing Islam. But I feel you know that I'm talking about contemporary life, what's going on today. I could be specific about names & places, but I feel that it would not be beneficial & would denigrate the spirit of our communication. I feel that you are an intelligent & informed person & as a Muslim you must know that the Islamic law of apostasy decrees death to an apostate. It is to this imbalance of justice & to the well recorded persecution of present day christians that I refer. Until we can accept the rights of an individual to decide his or her beliefs, & the freedom to evangelise in a bid to present our own faiths to others the future looks bleak for us all.
With respect.

30 June 2009 at 19:44  
Anonymous len said...

Muhammad lies buried in a Mosque in Medina.
Jesus Christ was crucified and Yahweh God raised Him to life on the third day.He lives today.

I know before muslims answer to this , they say Jesus Christ never died on the cross.
However Roman execution squads were brutal and highly efficient,and if Jesus`s body was stolen the Roman soldiers lives would have been forfeited, due to all the controversy over his trial and execution.
Also the Pharisees would have been only to keen to exhibit Jesus`s body.
When Jawheh God raised Jesus Christ from death to life He proved Jesus Christ was exactly who He claimed to be.
Meanwhile Muhammad lies in his Tomb in Medina.

30 June 2009 at 20:05  
Anonymous len said...

The Koran recognizes Jesus Christ as a prophet.
Why then didn`t Jesus Christ ever mention Muhammad?.

30 June 2009 at 20:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Unlike u, we do not worship a human god. We definitely not worshiping Muhammad p.b.u.h, he is only one of God's messenger. He's human. n like human, he died. N lies in his tomb until the day of the reckoning. When all, everyone would rise to answer to what he had done on this earth. Just as Jesus never asked to be worshiped, neither did Muhammad. Muslims love Jesus, the son of Mary, a human, the chosen one, loved by Allah, and patiently wait for him to come down on earth and clear the dispute between Muslims n Christians, before the end of days. This is what we believe. That's why u will never find any Muslims saying bad things about Jesus. Do u believe in miracles Len? Well we do.
I live in a Muslim's country. If u come to my country, u will find huge churches for tiny Christians minority n even Synagogue, In my country, those who wish to leave Islam, they take it to the court. N I can assure u, non of them are arrested, molested n threaten in any way. I would be ashamed with myself if they do n then lying here openly to be known as a liar defending what cannot be defended.
There is a verse in the Koran,
'There is no compulsion in religion.' stated for almost 1,400 years ago and not altered even until today.
So if Muslims in other countries do persecute Christians, they should stop. They are not following Allah's words in the Koran. Everyone is free to choose his religion. The consequences is on his own shoulder.

30 June 2009 at 20:31  
Blogger Maria said...


Yes, Jesus Christ, son of Mary, did not die on the cross. On the day that he was about to be crucified, with the power of Allah to save his beloved prophet, Allah raised him up to heaven alive. He is still alive but will come back on the earth again. On his second coming, he will kill Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) and establish Islam in the whole world, just like prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) established Islam in the whole of Arabia during his time.

There is an empty tomb in the Mosque of Medina where prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) is placed. This tomb is reserved for prophet Jesus (P.B.U.H.), son of Mary.


30 June 2009 at 20:41  
Blogger srizals said...

Len, read ur Bible, plz n then claimed that Jesus never mentioned about the last prophet. What Bible are u reading. We Muslims only have one version of the Koran. Which version of Bible do u have, according to whom?
John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

30 June 2009 at 20:42  
Blogger srizals said...

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

30 June 2009 at 20:43  
Blogger srizals said...

The Aramaic Bible mentions "Muhammad" as the next Prophet of GOD Almighty
the Biblical history of this Greek word "Paraclete". Startling as it may seem, at one time the word read "Periklytos" and "Paraklytos", which is the name for "Muhammad" in Greek. Surprising? It should not be because both words mean "Praised" or "Celebrate," the meaning and character of the man "Muhammad." (1 Jesus in The Qur'an, One World Publications, (c) Geoffrey Parrinder 1965, 1995, ISBN 1-85168-094-2. Knowing this, there is a need for us to study the life of Prophet Muhammad in depth to see if it all stands up. Surprisingly it does.

30 June 2009 at 20:46  
Blogger srizals said...

"And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is Ahmad (the Praised One)." (Qur'an 61:6)

30 June 2009 at 20:48  
Blogger srizals said...

Just a quick note, the Arabic word "Muhammad" is an expression which means "The honorable one" or "The glorified one" or "The admirable". Prophet Muhammad was the first in the Middle East to be named "Muhammad". Below, you will see how Jesus in today's Gospel of John had called this human Prophet which he predicted his comming "The honorable one".

Jesus in the Greek Bible used the Greek word "Periklytos" which means the admirable or glorified one. He called that predicted human prophet "Periklytos". This word corresponds exactly to the Arabic word "Muhammad" which also means the "admired one" or "glorified one." In other words, "Periklytos" is "Muhammad" in Greek.

30 June 2009 at 20:50  
Blogger Maria said...

Also, there is somebody here who mentioned about prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) as false prophet and also about false prophets and true prophets.

We can't deny the fact that Jesus (a.s), son of Mary, is a created being. Allah (s.w.t.) created him. We respect him as much as we respect prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.).

When he will come to earth again, he will establish Islam. He will not establish Christianity because Christianity is founded by St. Paul through his dream that Jesus Christ asked him to establish a new religion to the pagans who at that time worshipped planets, sun, moon & other celestial bodies.

Jesus Christ, son of Mary, did not establish Christianity.

Therefore, Jesus Christ will establish Islam because Islam is the religion of God (s.w.t) - - the God of the Universe, the God of Christians, Muslims, Jews and all Mankind.

30 June 2009 at 20:53  
Blogger srizals said...

1. In the Puranas (Hindu scriptures), it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger of God in this world. He would be for guidance of the whole world and all human beings.

2. According to a Hindu religion prediction the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an isle, which again according to Hindu religion is Arab Region.

3. In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as VISHNUBHAGAT and SUMAANI respectively. If we examine the meaning of these names we shall come to some very interesting conclusion. VISHNU (meaning God) + BHAGAT (meaning Slave). Slave of God = ABDULLAH (in Arabic) is the name of Prophet’s (PBUH) Father.

SUMAANI (meaning peace or calmness).Aamenah (in Arabic means peace) is the name of Prophet’s (PBUH) Mother.

4. In the religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.

5. It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu Religion) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the Quraysh where Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) belonged to.

6. God would teach Kalki Avatar through His messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) through His messenger Jibraeel (Gabriel), in a cave known as Ghaar-e-Hira.

7. God would provide Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. Indication of burraq (Horse) and Me’raaj (the night when Prophet [PBUH] travelled the seven skies).

8. God would provide Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the Battle of Uhud.

9. Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. Whereas the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was born on the 12th of Rabbi ul Awwal (Hijra Calendar).

10. Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman.

30 June 2009 at 23:52  
Blogger srizals said...

Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay, a Hindu professor, in his stunning book claims that the description of the” Avatar” found in the Holy books of the Hindu religion, matches the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Recently in India, a fact-revealing book has been published. The Book has been the topic of discussion and gossip all over the country.The author of this book, Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay, is a learned and famous Hindu professor. The book is Kalki Avatar. Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay is a Hindu Brahmin of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar at Allahabad University. After years of research, he published this book, and no less than eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic. According
to Hindu belief, the Hindu world awaits “the guide and leader”, named Kalki Avatar. However, the description as given in the holy scriptures of the Hindu points only to the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) of Arabia.Therefore, the Hindus of the whole world should not wait any longer for the arrival of Kalki Avatar (the spirit) and should readily accept Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as Kalki Avatar. These are the FACTS verified and supported by eight other eminent pundits. What the author says is that Hindus, who are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of Kalki Avatar, are simply subjecting themselves to never ending pain. Because, such a great messenger has already arrived and departed from this world fourteen centuries ago.

30 June 2009 at 23:53  
Blogger srizals said...

Bhavisyath Puran also contains a prophecy regarding the advent of the Holy Prophet SAW. Maharishi Vyas Muni occupies an emminent position among the Hindus because of his vast knowledge and wisdom, and God-given capabilities. In addition to other religious literature, he has written 18 Puranas such as Brahma Puran, Bhagath Puran. The 18th Puran is named Bhavisyath Puran. It contains prophecies pertaining to the future. According to the beliefs of the Hindus this book contains Divine revelations and prophecies. This Bhavisyath Puran contains the following prophecy regarding the Holy Prophet:

A spiritual reformer will come from a foreign land (outside Bharat) with his disciples (companions). His name will be Mahamad (Muhammad). He will dwell in a desert.
(Bhavisyath Purana 3:5-8)

Here the name of the spiritual reformer is clearly given as Muhammad. Generally in the Vedas all countries outside Bharat are referred to as Mlech. The foreign land is said to be in a desert. Here the Holy Prophet's companions are especially mentioned. Perhaps there is hardly any other prophet who had so many companions who had moulded their lives in the manner of their prophet. Maharishi Vyas Muni has mentioned the following qualities of this Muhammad Rishi and his followers:

His followers will perform circumcision. They will not keep their hair in the form of Choti as the Brahmans do. They will keep beard. They will bring about a revolution. They will call with a loud voice (i.e., instead of using a bell to call the people for prayer, they will call people to prayer in a loud voice by 'Azan'). They will eat meat of animals other than that of swine. They will attain purity through Jihad (fighting in the cause of Allah). Their civilization will be called Muslay (Muslim).
(Bhavishyat Puran Vol. 3 verse:3)

30 June 2009 at 23:55  
Blogger srizals said...

Hell can be seen from Heaven

Rabbinical writings;

“Why did the Holy Blessed One create Gehenna (Hell) and the Garden of Eden? So that one can behold the other. How much space is between them? R. Yohanan said; The breadth of a wall. R. Hanina said; The breadth of a hand. But the Rabbis said; The two are right up against each other. (Pesikta Rabbati 52:3)

Islamic writings:

(Prophet Muhammad speaking to Angel Gabriel in Heaven): “‘Who is he?’ Gabriel replied, ‘He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.” (Sahih BukhariVolume 1, Book 8, Number 345 Narrated Abu Dhar)


Some Pass Hell Before Entering Heaven

Rabbinical writings;

Before the Righteous enter Heaven, they are shown Hell (Midrash on Psalms 6:6)

Islamic writings:

(people are placed in Hell temporarily for a set time , depending on their sins , and are then removed from Hell for simply having a atom’s weight of Faith in God) {Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s, Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri}

1 July 2009 at 00:02  
Blogger srizals said...

Will See the Glory of God;

In Jewish Apocryphal literature;

“..they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them..” (4 Ezra 7:88-92)

Rabbinical writings;

In the world to come, body and soul will stand together before God (Leviticus Rabbah 4:5) , (Sanhedrin 91a)

Islamic Scripture:

”I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.” (Quran 3:55)

1 July 2009 at 00:04  
Blogger srizals said...

Will have flowing wine, milk and honey

Rabbinical writings;

“Each person has a chamber allotted to him according to the honor due to him. From it issues four streams, one of milk, one of wine, one of balsam, and one of honey” (Salkut Shimoni, Bereshit)

Islamic Scripture:

”(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?” (Quran 47:15)


1 July 2009 at 00:06  
Blogger srizals said...

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1. Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) Prophesised in the book of Deuteronomy:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) because Jesus (peace be upon him) was like Moses (peace be upon him). Moses (peace be upon him) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Jew. Moses (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and Jesus (peace be upon him) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (peace be upon him) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (peace be upon them all) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is like Moses (peace be upon him):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.


1 July 2009 at 00:16  
Blogger srizals said...

ii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is from among the brethren of Moses (peace be upon him). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (peace be upon him) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (peace be upon him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (peace be upon him).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

3. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

4. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is yet present.

1 July 2009 at 00:16  
Blogger srizals said...

Moses said to his people: "O my people! why do ye vex and insult me, though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?" Then when they went wrong, Allah let their hearts go wrong. For Allah guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah and he is invited to Islam, and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[Qur'an 61: 5-7]

1 July 2009 at 00:17  
Anonymous Rudyard K said...

As the Prophet ( of British imperialism) said:

east is east and west is west
and never the twain shall meet

1 July 2009 at 01:20  
Anonymous Flit Gunner said...

So why doesn't this swarm take its corpse and go and form it own blog? It could even go on polluting its own language.

1 July 2009 at 01:31  
Blogger Maria said...

Let's just get to the point of Arch. Cranmer in this article. He said "Cranmer has only one thought on Michael Jackson’s spirituality: he was consistent. He simply exchanged one religion which offers absolutely no assurance of salvation for another. Both Jehovah’s Witnesses and Muslims have to earn their places in paradise: salvation is by works; the spirit is redeemed by the obedience of the flesh and the burden of submission to law". and,

"Cranmer thanks God that he justified by faith through grace, and that God provided the ransom for us - the most precious body and blood of his own most dear and best beloved Son Jesus Christ."

How sure are you that you are saved with the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ (P.B.U.H), son of Mary?

Each of us is responsible for our own actions, deeds, sins and beliefs. Nobody can save us not even Jesus Christ (P.B.U.H.), son of Mary except our own actions, deeds, sins and beliefs.

If you really follow Jesus Christ, son of Mary, then, why won't you accept Islam and become a Muslim? Jesus Christ, son of Mary, was, is and will always be a Muslim. He will never be a Christian.

1 July 2009 at 02:52  
Blogger Maria said...

During the prophethood of Prophet Moses (a.s.) (as he is the prophet of the Jews), the Commandment of Allah was to follow the message & teachings of Prophet Moses (a.s.). When Allah sent Jesus Christ(a.s.), son of Mary, the Commandment of Allah was to follow the message & teachings of prophet Jesus (a.s.), son of Mary, not of prophet Moses, since the teachings of prophet Moses was already incorporated on what Jesus Christ(a.s.), son of Mary, taught. In the same way, that from 1,400 years ago (7th century), when Allah chose prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) as his last prophet, the Commandment of Allah is for all people (mankind & jinns) from that time until the day of judgment to follow the message & teachings of prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s), since all the teachings of all the prophets before him were already incorporated in what he taught.

Even Jesus Christ(a.s.), son of Mary, on his second coming, his role as what prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) said:

“By Him (Allah) in Whose Hands my soul is, surely, Jesus, son of Mary will shortly descend amongst you (Muslims) and will judge mankind justly by the Law of the Qur’an and will break the Cross and kill the pigs and abolish the Jizya (a tax levied upon the non-Muslims who are under the protection of Muslim Government. The Jizya Tax will not be accepted by prophet Jesus (a.s.) & all mankind will be required to embrace Islam). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts.”

That means, Jesus (a.s.), son of Mary, will bring justice to the earth by the Laws & Jurisprudence of Islam, the Islamic shari’ah, the Divine Laws of Allah.

1 July 2009 at 03:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently they've now decided to cancel the London concerts. Wise move, judging by this blog - ==

1 July 2009 at 04:03  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Q. How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
A. None,they like to live in the dark.

1 July 2009 at 04:06  
Blogger srizals said...

Erm, that's really shows something aint it, Flit Gunner. The typical reaction to the truth. Well ain't it brainy. I'm a Muslim n I read the bible. Do u dare 2 do the same? What r u afraid of? Do u think that God created us just to have fun, sex n kill n destroy n then, oh it's ok, I let u killed my 'son' in a very sick way, everything is forgiven, u don't hv 2 do a damn thing for I've created u just for fun. Hell, I've even created HIV virus n they don't hv 2 do nothing, except killing slowly those who went against their pure sex nature, N, oh, do attack others and start a debate, a war n then mock those who only defending themselves. When u out of words or efforts, just mock them, or better yet nuke them, since only u got WMD n they r not allowed 2 hv one, see, the JAPs didn't hv it then, so we don't use WMD on them, not on helpless women n children, it won't be fun.
Make fun out of anything. Even the passing of a soul. U see, the topic n remarks in this blog that attract this swarm of Muslims. Its not the corpse. Its the degrading remarks. Why don't u repel us swarm with ur convincing jokes. It sure would be a lot of fun. Life's a joke right. Let's party till Death knocking on the door. People are dying, suffering, so what! As long as it's not happening in my own backyard. well hello, to live prosperously around the suffering of mankind n somewhat, somehow isolated from it all. What a bliss! Well guess what, suffering is like water. One day it's going to spill and flood ur house, sooner or later. But why gv a damn, Life is a big joke. Cheers.

1 July 2009 at 04:06  
Blogger srizals said...

Ha, Ha, Ha,
You got me there Sydneysider,
What a sense of humour.
You r something, one of a kind.
At least u r not anonymousanoyinghidingnthrowingstonesnplayitsafe.
Sure ur aboriginal brothers find it funny 2, ops, if u r from Sydney..

1 July 2009 at 04:15  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

You probably aren't aware of this but aboriginals have a great sense of humour,very funny ,warm and not at all hostile .Lovely people.

They also like a good joke.

1 July 2009 at 04:26  
Blogger srizals said...

Dear sydneysider,
A joke shld be enjoyed both ways, Those who made them n those who received them, not by making fun of them, I sure hope ur aboriginal friends that u r referring 2 are not the lost generations that were taken by force by your law so that they can be integrated (tamed) in2 ur modern Australia. (Another act of seeking forgiveness by past mistakes, just recently n I do salute u white Australian, for being able 2 do it).
The term hostile Indians are used by the Americans then. Try taking someone's home, killed their food (the buffaloes), kill them all in fact, kinda turn someone hostile, don't u think? Maybe there's no more hostile Indian n aborigines but there's still untamed Muslims throughout the world who still refused to submit themselves to ur supremacy n discrimination.
I don't think its funny to make someone or in ur joke, a community to look stupid.
I got a joke 2 u see,
What do u called a cooked meat in an Australian prison van?
A hostile drunk.

What do u called the largest prison on earth?

(HOpe u get it..If u find it sick, it's even better, n maybe u can understand where the hostility comes from.)
Even a dog can be hostile if it is cornered n beaten n humiliated. What more do humans.
But I do hope to interact with others in this blog, well it is a blog n the owner sure did his job well of connecting us hate mongers to brutally attack each other in cyber space.
I'm also talking about the contemporary lives of the majority of Muslims nowadays. But history is an important lessons for us 2. U can't just brushed it aside n said we r not responsible 4 what had happened, it does paint the colors of our faces 2day.

1 July 2009 at 06:29  
Anonymous Anthony Hester said...

I pray to the only true God Jehovah! that micheal was not a god forsaken muslim! in Jesus wonderful and blessed name I pray amen!!!!

Jehovah is God
Jesus is God's Son


allah is not God in no shape form or fashion!

1 July 2009 at 06:55  
Anonymous len said...

Your prophet Mohammad is dead!
He died on Monday, june 8th, 632 in Medina.He is buried where he died which was in his wife Aisha`s house and is now buried within the Mosque of the Prophet in Medina.
Jesus Christ of course lives and proved His words to be true " I am the Way , the Truth and the Life"

1 July 2009 at 08:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he converted into a Muslim, I being a Muslim since birth would like to offer him my prayers, Alfatihah...

Whenever we are troubled, we turn to god for guidance, to help clear off the unanswered uncertainties in our life.

MJ must have been searching for these kinds of guidance when (if) he converted himself as a Muslim.

As a person, millions adore him for the things that he gave to through his music/ performances.. HE WAS SPECIAL...

MJ, wherever you may be now RIP..

1 July 2009 at 08:17  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Sizzals, your jokes were pretty good. Black humour but nevertheless good.

You are quite mistaken in accusing me of thinking the Islamic community is stupid. On the contrary.

How many communities can immigrate to a country, utilise all of its social welfare and educational facilites,have religious freedom,upset the religious majority,win the support of the
Archbishop of Canterbury,
set off a few bombs in Central London(just to say thankyou),and then be protected by the government of the day .

Dangerous but definitely not stupid!

1 July 2009 at 08:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really hope that you are not a representative of the church or I think I have lost all respect.

Your article was unbelievably sarcastic, ignorant and mocking. I never imagined that somebody who is truely religious could ridicule a person or another religion in this way, it is absolutely fair to voice your opinion- which you did.
however meanwhile you decided to trash other people's beliefs and mock them which is the issue I have with this article.

Evidently I will not lower myself to your level of communication, i.e insulting others,
I hope you think about people's feelings in the future

I am getting so sick of religious intolerance, particularly from people who should know better

1 July 2009 at 08:57  
Anonymous Flit, I say. said...

"I am getting so sick of religious intolerance, particularly from people who should know better" ... Good, so are we.

So maybe you should go somewhere where your religion belongs. You could also start your own blog in you own language while you're at it.

1 July 2009 at 09:39  
Anonymous hillam said...

Nemo bene the small print under the CHURCH OF ENGLAND logo.
"Loving Jesus with a slight air of superiority since AD 597."

Information for interlopers and alien communicants.
This is an example of Christian humour at its best.

1 July 2009 at 11:28  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Every religion is intolerant. So it should all vanish up it's own superior arse.

1 July 2009 at 12:59  
Anonymous len said...

All Religions have bought the satanic lie that they can be as God,that through self effort they can make themselves righteous in the eyes of a Holy God.
Jesus Christ came that we might have life( through the Holy Spirit)and life to the full, resurrection life.
If all you have is a dead religion , and a few empty , promises, you are in fact a dead man, walking.

1 July 2009 at 13:34  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Steady on Tonto!Try to observe a modicum of civility in the presence of His Grace! A little humour wouldn't go astray either.

1 July 2009 at 13:36  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

My comment was directed to

1 July 2009 at 14:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another singer has died, that's it, end of story.No matter what religio he was a drug attict who lived a drug filled life of filth.Who cares who "his" so calledGod is, weather it be God or Allah,or if there is eaven or hell no-one really kow's. Te man iis dead get over it.

1 July 2009 at 15:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello srizal,
i think you quran version of truth very much depends on scripture of the bible. The islam strongly believe that the bible has many versions.are u sure? What about your hadith version and all those fatwa made those religious man of islam always contradict with each others fatwa. some people use the religion for their personal benefit. Just like Muhamad became a successfull businessmen after he got married to his rich wives. I think muhamad manipulate all others religions and create anew version of relegions. In the muslim world today you can see the different in version of islam such as Shite,Hambali, and many others.Arab tribe made war with each others until today even though they were from the same place.Now you see in most Islam country you can see many war happened between the muslims themself because of their differences in Islam believe. I don't see that happened much in others country where thier national religon are not Islam.About Pornography Cristianity do not invent it. You think that only USA and other Europe country, sex scandal and porno happen. u are wrong. In many Islam country of Asia not to name it, there cases of sex scandal rape and incest happened how can u say it happen in one place. as long as that person cannot control his or her lust sex scandal happen regardless gender, relegion or status even the Iman or priest or others. You argument were base not on fact but twisted facts that come 600 years before the Lord Jesus. And you always insist that you are correct. Even in the alquran said Muhamad refer to the bible scripture. How can u say that the christian alter the bible. I really think it is the other way around. Muhamad has to wait until now and still lay dead in his Tomb in Medina. But our Lord died and in three day he rose again by showing the proof he liveeeessss. Even the roman soldier whom spear his ribs confirm his dead and many recorded eye witness in the Bible. You shoul read the bible with open heart and mind and not hatred and again the truth will set you free Srizal. But please don't insults us with you stupid idea. Islam insults all others people food and drinks in the term of Haram. One man food becomes poison to Islam! Was that you religion is about, hate! Jesus said, love not war but Muhamad carry his sword and cut off others Arabs head to force them to embrace islam In the name of Jihad. fake prophet and fatwa just greeds and satanic lust. Right now in many muslim country and arabs country you can see their lust for having many wives and concubine. How can you cannot accept the dinity of the Lord that He can be at any form and any place at the same time by saying that Jesus was not crucified and replace by other man? What maricle has Muhamad perform others than killing others and married to many wives? Jesus resurrect the dead, heal the sick or criple, give sight to the blind , heal the leprosy, even calm the storms of the sea, give hope to the needy and promise everlasting life to everybody who believe.Why you prophet cannot do that because he is not a prophet. All others previous can do miracles but not Muhamad.

1 July 2009 at 16:52  
Anonymous len said...

Srizals and other muslims,
Your Islamic theology is so mixed up and it is almost impossible to understand.
Srizals you seem to be claiming that when Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit coming he was speaking of Mohammed???( Jesus said of the Holy Spirit"the Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him "John 14:17)Are you saying of Mohammad the world never saw him or knew him?)

Islam seems to be a mixture of twisted bible stories and paganism.
Islam claims its authority from the Christian bible and the Torah but denies and contradicts the truth contained in the bible .

I can only pray that out of this mass of confusion muslims will be able to see the Truth which is Jesus Christ.

1 July 2009 at 21:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Muslims, music is not haraam that is something extreme following mullahs made up. Music reveals the beauty of Allah and the talents He gives to people, why the best of musicians founders of what today's music is brought about, Michael Jackson, and Cat Stevens etc is beautiful showing Allah 's creations. To the bible freaks, there are way too many contradictions in the Bible, it is hard to understand Jesus besides what churches want you to think. People with sense understand that and see Islam, then reciting the Quran a book of signs for the people of sense

1 July 2009 at 22:36  
Blogger Maria said...

Anonymous (01 July 2009 16:52),

All prophets (Peace Be Upon All of Them) did miracles during the time of their prophethood.

Allah (s.w.t.) gave them miracles for people to believe in them. By themselves, they couldn't do anything.

Jesus, son of Mary, cannot even create a fly. The miracles given to him doesn't mean he is God.

Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) made the moon into half but the people during that time still didn't believe that he was a prophet. The Qur'an can be memorized from first page to the last page word for word, page to page as a miracle and signs for the people of our day until the day of judgement. There is no other holy book that can be memorized by millions of its followers except the Holy Qur'an. But do you believe in it? Still not.

2 July 2009 at 01:26  
Blogger Maria said...

Len and others,

Before you can understand Islamic theology, you need to seek first the truth without bias of Who Is God? What is the meaning of God is ONE? What is your purpose on earth? What is the difference of your faith who believes in Jesus Christ, son of Mary, a created being, to that of Parsees'/Zoroastrians' faith who worship fire, another created being, to that of the sun, moon & other celestial bodies, trees and animals (like the Hindus), all of which are created beings.

As Socrates said “An unexamined life is not worth living for” but to this dictum we can add, “An unexamined faith is not worth believing either”. It is through the examination of faith that you will know the REALITY of LIFE! - THE PURPOSE OF OUR EXISTENCE – To worship the One and Only True God.

Every creature of God Almighty worships/glorifies Him in its own way but among all these creatures, only human beings and the “Jinns” (GENII) are capable of good and bad actions, actions which are held accountable on the day of Resurrection/Judgement. For Human Beings, worship does not include prayer and praising God Almighty only. It also includes (1) following the Lawful (Do’s) and Unlawful (Do Not’s) Actions that God had injuncted to Mankind and (2) doing the activities that are intended to please Him.

In reality or actuality, in the sight of God Almighty to worship any creature or created being be it of a natural phenomena like the fire (Parsee's/Zoroastrian’s faith), planet, stars, the sun, trees & animals (like Hindus in India) or a human being like Jesus Christ (P.B.U.H.), son of Mary, is blasphemy!. I have learned to realize that though I believed as a Christian before in God, but to worship Jesus Christ amounts to “Kufr” (Disbelief), “Shirk” (polytheism) and “tughyan” (arrogation or association = giving partners or attributing unjustly to the essence, person and nature of Almighty God), the three deadliest sins that the Creator of Heavens and Earth and All In It God Almighty "Allah" can never and will never forgive and the reward is Hell in life after death. Our life is a period of test and trial. We are granted with a fixed or appointed term in this temporary life. The life that will come after death is eternal, everlasting. In that life, there is only Hell and Heaven. For those who follow the right path, though had sinned in this world can still go to Heaven but after the punishment of sins. For those who do not follow the right path has Heaven, as a reward for the good actions, in this world but will dwell in Hell forever in the next world!

It is my earnest desire to convey this message to you because we are striving very hard to fulfill our plans and dreams but in the end we will be miserable and pitiful if we will continue to affirm the belief and faith that Jesus Christ, son of Mary, did not even teach and preach but teachings of which were started by St. Paul who was neither a prophet/messenger of God Almighty nor a disciple of Jesus Christ.

Seek and study sincerely first the Oneness of Allah (s.w.t.) before moving on to Islamic Theology.



2 July 2009 at 02:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you should read the quran thoroughly and see the truth that it has many contradicting facts. The truth will set you free. Why can you accept that God can be in any form spiritual and human physical. Jesus said love each others but Muhamad preach many wives is allowed killing others is ok in the name of Jihad? Jesus died on the cross for you our sins and never kill any body. But you prophet made war to his own Arabs brothers in Islam. Killing is a great sins. Maria see to very sure that Jesus is not God even though billions of Christian had faith in His love and kindness. He died and He rose again is the living proof that he is God. Seek the truth will set you free. Amen

2 July 2009 at 04:20  
Blogger moon said...


Out of curiosity, what are the facts/contradictions there are in the quran u mentioned earlier?
Please share..


2 July 2009 at 04:41  
Blogger srizals said...

Dear seekers of the truth,
Do u really think that after Allah created man, he would leave them without any guide? He had sent His prophets n messengers, to each nation, communities, countries, wherever they are. n what do u expect? Angels? Would man accept them? Logically it must be of the same kind. Imagine this u, as a man is sent to the monkeys to preach them the word of God. Thank u if u can find it funny.
Now, Everyone knows, The children of Israel, of course, received their own prophets from among themselves. And these prophets are specifically meant only for them and not anyone else. Are you the children of Israel? Or specifically are you a Jew?
But with Muhammad it is different; he was not sent to only the Arabs, he was the last prophet, the one that would conclude all the teachings of prophets of all different nations that had different problems, situations and times compared with each other. But Muhammad is sent as a last revelation from the heaven, the last direct revelation from Allah, the One God, worshipped by everyone, but man is a creature that always had something to gain by corrupting the message of God, For example, instead of having 99 names, the Hindus corrupted the names of One God, into 99 to 100 Gods in order to gain something of importance, may it be sex, wealth, influence, etc. etc.
For example, when Moses went on a pilgrimage to meet Allah, He left the children of Israel with Harun for a while. N what did they do? They made a statue of a golden cow, n worshipped it. This was the time when Moses was still breathing and preaching them, was with them at the same time! What more people do after hundreds and thousands of years?

2 July 2009 at 05:02  
Blogger srizals said...

The beauty of this last revelation by Allah is it is in Arabic, a language that cannot be changed or corrupted with additions or omissions among the words, sentences without making it sound odd and the continuity absurd. This is the beauty of this language. So u see, The Quran is preserved this way. That is why no one can declared openly, ok this is the Koran according 2 me, n I had some additions because Muhammad is dead right, so I had to add in some information, JUST LIKE WHAT THE EARLY SAINTS DID WITH THE BIBLE AND RABBIS WITH THE TORAH. Because the language is easily manipulated.
Yes, we are divided to, among Muslims ourselves. But no group or sect ever claimed that they have a correct or full version of the Koran. It is still the same Koran. There are only different in translation to help non speaking Arab Muslims to comprehend them better. But if u do more research u will find out that each Muslim nation had scholars of learned and experts in the Arab language. The beauty of the language it is easily learned n because its rhymes, almost like a song, it can be memorized easily word by word, sentence to sentence from the beginning to the end. n when Muslims performed their 5 daily prayers everyday to their last breath. They will recite these verses. So u see, how can anyone changed them with omissions n additions since it is always recited by all Muslims throughout their lives, the learned ones, the adults, the average, the rich and even kids. Repeated 5 times to 10 times daily through out their lives! This is why the Koran is still the same even until today. There's no room for anyone to manipulate it. Check this out with your scriptures. The reason I included your scriptures is to answer a challenge by one of u asking whether Jesus had mentioned about Mahmad, Ahmad, the last prophet, his brother and ally. Mind u, that not all Muslims agree to my move since it is difficult to identify which is the true word of God n which one that had been corrupted by the Saints and Rabbis.
But God Al Mighty is ever knowing, That is why if u read your bible n torah, or the old, or the new testaments they contradict with each others. and contain lewd, sexual stories that u urself would be embarrassed to mention it to ur young ones. THAT if u did read the bible. I asked u again. We Muslims had translated Koran but we can always refer, n read the original Koran in Arabic language everyday, all the time, accessible to everyone. Can u say u r reading the bible or the Torah in its original language???
For ur info, Fatwas are not from God. It is issued by the learned ones, same as ur High priest or pope, or something like that. They are not absolute like the word of God. It is their interpretations towards some issues, current or specific based on the Koran and Hadith, the recorded speech or wording of Muhammad, when he is teaching or discussing something important about the religion, guided by Allah.

2 July 2009 at 05:03  
Blogger srizals said...

Some tried to create false Hadith to their own advantage, (same problems of twisting the bible, Torah) since the hadith is not like the Koran, but to play safe, no one hadith is accepted unless it is verified by scholars of Islam since it is passed down from generations. It means that if someone alone claimed I heard the prophet said this n that, n only he can claimed that n not backed by other Prophet's companion (not like St Paul, he is not even Christ's companion). The hadith is void and not accepted by Muslims. Because Muhammad never whisper his teaching to specific men, but witnessed by all or he mentioned it again to a few others n not specifying one person only. Why? So that this man won't claimed that he is the next prophet u see. So there is no secret regarding our Koran n Hadith. This is why it is impossible to corrupt them.
The hadith itself only clearing n supporting or explaining more in detail of doubts of Muslims back in the days the prophet was still with them. What do u expect? If someone asked something to the prophet, n he answered, shut up don't ask me read the Koran, I don't know. Since he is not around, our Imams, the scholars, not like the pope, will discuss among themselves n come out with fatwas or religious interpretations about some current issues. That is why Muslims do not take it seriously when a fatwa by an Iranian Mullah to kill Salman Rushdie, the writer of the satanic verse.
Even majority of Muslims considered the syiah as the deviated ones, since they mixed their religious views with their political views n r hostile towards the companion of the prophets. But make no mistake Iranian are not separated from the Muslim Ummah. In the other hand, the sikhs of India is no longer considered as Muslims even though they have long beard n wearing a turban. Since they have deviated n forsaken the 5 pillars of Islam n the 6 rukun of Islamic faith. The syiah still holds them dearly n read the same arabic koran. U must have an open mind n easily associated the Muslims, who are merely humans, not prophets who is guided directly by Allah, when they made mistakes n easily claimed that Islam is not good. We didn't do it to the Christians or the Hindus or anyone as a matter of fact. For example when we meet Australians, we don't refer them to aboriginals tamers or killers, or the robbers of aboriginals country. Or refer the Americans as mass murderers even they annihilated almost every human race in this planet, the Japanese, Vietnamese, even themselves. Their history n conducts didn't make them an object to be feared or ridicule, but it can't be said the same with Islam n Muslims.

2 July 2009 at 05:03  
Blogger srizals said...

Whenever a certain group, can be counted with your hands, deviated n turn renegade Muslim, renegade in the sense they abandoned the 5 pillars of Islam, the 6 rukun of faith, n the views (the fatwas) or the learned ones, u quickly judge n generalize us all with them n making fun of our beloved prophet n expect us to be good, be quite n go die quietly out of your face. This kind of attitude that makes it dangerous for u n for us, since all Muslims, regardless they are sober or intoxicated with hate, after witnessing so many injustices, n brutality faced by other Muslims, regardless of ethnicity or country, (Muslims are one ummah or one people, we prayed towards the same directions, in the same language n in the same way irrespective of our differences in everything else) believed it with all their hearts they are going to paradise and even if Allah will punish them for killing the innocents, they still end up in paradise after some time in hell. This is the problem.
So if u want to feel safe like Sydneysider, stop being so arrogant n stop supporting murders n robbers of some else homeland, lives, cultures. But I really understand, that u cannot comprehend this since the Americans built USA on the genocide of the Red Indians, Australian on the suffering of the 'happy' aborigines, to name a few, so u won't be able to understand it. U r one of them. The butchers, Oppressors, so of course u won't see any fault or wrong doing with that. It is the survival of the fittest. No truth is involved in it right? Well this is how the terrorist see it. u are only a bunch of deserving to die and annihilated in every way modern day pharaoh. (This is the same with some of u). THEY DESERVED IT. So what makes it so different between u n the terrorist? U r all blood thirsty n arrogant. U feel nothing when a life is brutally killed or maimed when in fact in the Koran as mentioned by USA president Obama in his speech in Cairo. The sin of killing a man is the same with killing all mankind. (without just cause). What just cause in killing helpless babies, children, women, old men, civilians that had no arms whatsoever to harm u n even protect themselves. U r brave soldiers right, why r u being chicken to fight n bleed n die on the battlefield without taking the innocents with u? Why the fancy bombing, go in n face the enemy like brave soldiers and died in your bloody uniform without the blood of the innocence with u. The rabbis said it’s ok to kill babies but it’s not ok to die or maim urself on the battlefield. Even though Gaza is not a well protected country with heavy n fancy weaponry, not like Israel, the strongest armies in the world, thanks to USA. n u r wondering why u hv become target by the terrorist. U see in their eyes u deserve the same gruesome death, since it was u who started it all. The Jews of Israel terrorized n even killed British soldiers n administrators prior to the early days of Israel. They even slaughtered innocents Palestinians so that they flee. Where do u think the word terrorist first came from? Ask the British, they knew. Today terrorist is only following their examples. You reap what you sow, right?

2 July 2009 at 05:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go to answeringIslam blog. Islam say the words of God cannot be change but the al quran itself were base from the scriptures Bible and torah of the jews.It is something that very ovious that the muslim always believe that the Bible has been change but they always referred to the wrong sources to support their argument. What matter most you cannot have faith if you do not have sincerity and honesty in professing you faith. Bible is a well documented proof of Christianity but the muslim believe always deny the facts by saying the text in the bible were change. Who are the GOD of Abraham? yes the same Supreme being we call God. By wasn't it funny that many muslim across the world will riot and protest violently in defending their so call believe contradicting to the claims that Islam is the religion. The believe Jesus is a prophet and acknowledge His works but cannot accept his divinity and power. The Lord Jesus Is God.

2 July 2009 at 05:10  
Blogger moon said...

Hmm.. Not good enuf. i was expecting sumthing more straight cut clear, sumthing like how srizal has put his points up. Nonetheless, might be checking out the website.


2 July 2009 at 05:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I miss Michael and have been crying all week. How absolutely tragic. Nonetheless, I had an amazing idea for his funeral - though I am writing this half-way in jest. It would be "killer" to have his funeral where everyone dresses up as ghouls and zombies (like those in his "Thriller" video) and they follow the hearse to the cemetery walking like zombies! What a royal, memorable tribute that would be!

2 July 2009 at 06:02  
Blogger srizals said...

Mr/miss anonymouslyannoying,
Read, read, read, examine, dig in, find out, questions, n u will find the answers. We Muslims are allowed to ask of anything from our scholars or learned ones. They are entitled to clear any doubts. They can't just simply dismiss us by saying oh its opening the door to Satan or ridicule us. It's like that. No explanation see, stupid! Can u claim the same? We can even questions our Koran n hadith n fatwas. N the truth always prevail. That's why the Koran n hadith is intact. The false one can easily pin pointed by everyone. Its not in secret.

It might be heavy or make u dizzy, since ones always uses most part of the body except the brain n the heart. Seek the truth.
Don't be just on the accepting side. Be the seekers of the truth, Those who ask, Questioners. Only then u r entitled to God's guide. Be not. N ur heart is sealed n no light of truth can penetrate it since u ur self has tightly closed it.
But u can always turn around n go on with ur boring routine, of sex, booze, partying all night, until u caught something or suddenly swallowing sleeping pills when u r fed up with everything.
I don't expect u to convert 2 Islam or be Muslim n BE SAVED. It's not in my hands. It's not my say.
I'm just hoping that u can see that we Muslims r just like u. We want to live in peace. Give us the reason 2 live in peace by not torturing us, killing our babies, children, women. Stop stealing our land n then drive us out like animals. (For JEWS, everyone else are Gentiles, or the cattle people, ask them if u don't believe me). But don't hate the JEWS, hate the extremist, the zionist, just as we hate Muslims that turn extreme n giving a bad name 2 Islam. We love the Jews. We even died n bleed with them in Spain n Jerusalem when Christians conquered Muslim Nation.

Just kill our soldiers, men. Is it too much to ask??
Oh about pornography, I'm sorry. It is not under Christians control, its the Jews, correct me if I'm wrong, just like the money in USA, Right Mr. Murdoch. Ponzy. Who do u think drag USA to its knees...buttt.. no one dares to speak out. Its the Snobbish hand full of atheist, Zionist Jews all along. (N I'm not labeling all Jews r bad) Click Jews 4 They r the truly chosen people by Allah) Had it been a Muslim man... I wonder what ridicule or hardship r torment most Muslims would hv 2 endured throughout the world.

2 July 2009 at 06:05  
Blogger srizals said...

Dear Mr/Missanonymouslyannoying.

U said Jesus preached love n died on the cross right? Well this what God of the Jews, sorry, Christians had done right?
I have one question, why is it, the devout Christians throughout the ages, some still proud of it, enslaving, conquering, slaughtering, n done much, much more hideous things to humanity? The French even invented guillotine to slaughter their own.
Off with their head scarf nowadays.
Where is it the bible, saying such,
o thee who believe,
enslaved the Africans, put them in ur cotton field so that thee would be wealthy n they died miserably.
Or... if the Japanese fought courageously on the battlefield, nuke their cities, killed them in mass, everyone, everything even their pets. So u will instill terror in the hearts of thy enemies...n they trembled in the sight of thee..
...n support the Jews, they re my killers, n helped me not when (the Romans or Jews) crucified me.. its not that painful, see. All the nails going through the bones n all my weight is on it, left to die agony ..with no ganja or sleeping pills comfort me..not even aborigines to laugh with me...
N bear in ur neck, the symbol that killed me, as a remembrance of me, dying for thee, O lord, why have u forsaken me?
n fear not, for my father, the Al Mighty God, had let me to die in such a way, when even Ishmael is not to be slain by his father, Abraham, Is it fair...?
O lord why have u forsaken me???

2 July 2009 at 07:38  
Blogger srizals said...

Ok, back to the real world.
U see anyone can manipulate English translated Bible, be it Latin, or Aramaic or whatever, because there aren't certain, specified rules that govern the language. Unlike Arabic. Yes, Muslims do have translated version of Al Quran. But the original Arabic ones is the most dear to them. Reading n reciting the Koran in its original language, the same language received by Muhammad from Gabriel, is a feeling that cannot be described, which had turn Muslims throughout the world, a hardy bunch, willing to suffer, die, faced all humiliations just by knowing that Allah is watching, n testing them. N the feeling that Allah knows their suffering n witnessing everything, n knowing that their sacrifice would not be in vain. Even after watching their babies headless, torn to pieces n still burning with phosphorus bomb... This is the strength of the Muslims that u ignored. N u were wondering how do we keep up will all those suffering, humiliation, slaughter n etc. etc. U see Allah has seen it all. He would punish those who ravaged, kill, destroy in the eternal fire of damnation, forever, n ever, with no chance whatsoever of buying your way out, bribing the angels of hell that guard it. Burning, suffering with Satans, together with the idols worshiped by men.
It is up to Allah to punish them in this world, by emptying their souls, until they lose directions n destroyed themselves in this world itself, or delaying their punishments in the after life. U see. Time is Allah creation. He is not bound to it. He sees the past, the now n the future, all the time, all knowing, slumber does not grasp Him, nor sleep. Governing the universe doesn't tires Him. That's why when Muslims suffered something, They say, 'From God we came, n to God we will return'.

2 July 2009 at 07:39  
Blogger srizals said...

Because Allah had reminded us, in the Koran. 'Do u think u would be left alone after saying O lord I believe. The Muslims before u have been tested, until they trembled n prayed o Lord when would Your help arrived'.
Muslims believed anything that happened, going to happen is in the hands of God, (I'm not saying God has a hand like us, the created ones)
Everything is a test. Wealth, time, poverty, pain, loneliness, plague, everything that happened is under His knowledge. Who r we to question Him. Even if we died a miserable death, blown to shreds, homes destroyed, our faith n resolution grew stronger. Look at the Palestinians. They r the contemporary examples, Preacher.
But saying that, we r not asked by Allah to sit back n enjoy t show, be quiet n die or suffer quietly. If He asked us to do that He is not in the path of righteousness, He had forbid Himself from any wrong doings n cruelty. This is the God that u hv associated with man's attributes, with animals, rocks, stones n etc. etc. Is it fair? Is it acceptable?
Imagine this,
...O god, I have created n carved u from stones n woods, (If it is a fire god ) feed u with wood n take care of u so that u won't burn out, Help me as I have helped u??????
Or feed me as I have fed u????
U have died for me, so I would die for u too??? Oh n make sure u woke me up in three days time...

Does it make any sense?

2 July 2009 at 07:40  
Blogger srizals said...

God is not the same with what He had created. Even using 'He' is not to show that God is a man n not a woman. Its just the proper pronoun to use to refer to Him. (Let the linguists debates on this) Hell, even carpenters doesn't look like the wood carving or furniture that he made with his own hands! So how can God??
This what makes Muslims different from the others. We do not changed our God in Physical form so that we can comprehend him, or see him, or feel close to him.
Even in the Hindu's scripture, It was mentioned, God is unseen. The air is unseen too of course but that does not make it God. But the Hindus turned the other way, through time n carved their gods.
The problem is that, these holy scriptures, (may it be the Bible, The Torah, or Hindus, or whatever, (Buddha didn't claimed he is God. Just laying a set or rules to live by in order to achieve purity n calmness in life) r EXCLUSIVE, not everyone has access to it back in the early days or even until today. Can u asked the common Hindu, hey, hv u read ur puranas, hv u finished memorising it, lets discuss about this n that..Or even Christians, since u only pray once a week (Sundays) just like the Jews, (Saturdays), I dare u to read ur holy scriptures in their original form, or in translated form n asked ur learned ones r authoritative to clear things in doubts. At least u have a clear conscious that u r in the right, n I'm in the wrong n I will burn in hell not because of my sins but for failing to accept a human, brutally killed, as my God. My salvation. It would really offended The God who let his son died horribly for me...I wonder what my son would think if I asked him to die for my creations...(ps, it was not Christ on the first place, Someone who betrayed him, he was on the cross crying...I'm not Christ....Ask the Christians in Jerusalem. Don't ask me, Me stupid Muslim n Knows nothing n had limited reading n dizzy when think 2 muccchhh....

2 July 2009 at 07:40  
Blogger srizals said...

No offence, Sydneysider.

2 July 2009 at 07:41  
Blogger srizals said...

Oh n 2 those atheist freaks.
U r the worst bunch. U believe in nothing. Think man, only u hv the power to build, destroy, communicate, develop, think.
Compare urself with the trees, the animals, the pigs, what makes u so different from them? They r going nowhere. so do u. Hv some ganja n let it all out. Don't worry, thinking make u dizzy right??? Buzz off to oblivion.

2 July 2009 at 08:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any muslims who are seriously seeking the Truth about the Lord Jesus Christ might find this website interesting and informative

Jesus said"You will seek Me and find Me,when you search for Me with all your heart"

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you in you search.

2 July 2009 at 08:07  
Anonymous len said...

8.07 That should be from len not anonymous

2 July 2009 at 08:09  
Blogger moon said...

Sarcastic, but hell its a load of sense.

2 July 2009 at 08:17  
Blogger Maria said...

Anonymous 02 July 2009 04:20, len and others,

Why can't the anonymous here (just too many) put any nickname so that one can pinpoint & answer directly.

Anyway, can I ask all of you who worship Jesus, son of Mary, your prophets who told you that Jesus Christ, son of Mary, said "I am the son of God and worship me for I am the Way, the truth and the life?

Remember, the Bible is two parts - - the Old Testament and the New Testament. As a Christian, you don't follow the Old Testament. The OLd Testament mentions many prophets and One God. The New Testament are Gospels of Luke, Matthew, John, Mark and Acts.

As a Christian, you follow the Gospels (all in the New Testament), not the Old Testament. Who are the prophets in the Gospels who said to Worship Jesus, son of Mary?

Dont mention gospels according to Mark, Luke, Matthew and John because all these are not disciples of Jesus. I want a prophet of God who mention all your quotations like ""You will seek Me and find Me,when you search for Me with all your heart", "I am the way, the truth and the life? and all others.

Who are your prophets in the New Testament, not the Old Testament?

2 July 2009 at 08:18  
Blogger srizals said...

Someone answer plz. Let there be light!
I wonder what happened to the bulb jokes? Sydneysider.....

2 July 2009 at 08:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

srizal and others,

You said Cristian kills. But not Jesus he give life and love nor hate. The problem is any man of any religion will commit sins such as you say that the Frence enslave and so call bomb others people. You seem to hate all Christian because of the deed of some power crazy people, leader or government. Jesus said you must love each other but some people do not. Jesus said learn to be Humble but many are not. Why because they were mislead by the emotions and the fallen angel yes the devil. Jesus did not bomb or kill anyone but Muhamad does he leads war on every body in the name of Islam. If you still cannot accept that Jesus is God then you are it is up to you. But why can't you see the beauty of Christianity which teach love, kindness and honesty. To be kind to all people. If a Christian doing bad thing to others then He is responsible for his own sins. May the Lord forgive his sins and he repent for all his sins. To me Maria is a bit confuse about the New and old Testament. That why she is trying so hard too convince others that the Bible was altered or change. The al quran itself were only available a few hundreds years after the dead of Muhamad. But Bible were recorded by people when Jesus walks this earth. On the possibliities the Bible was change is not there. But the Bible never make any references to alquran. The al quran does refer to Bible scriptures. You will find peace within yourself if you read the bible in any language you understand. Amen

2 July 2009 at 09:56  
Blogger srizals said...

2 anonymouslyannoyingwhosaid
hello srizal,
”i think you quran version of truth very much depends on scripture of the bible.”

Yes, duuh, they all came from one source, the same source, the one true God, Allah. N all other Holy Scriptures in the hands of the Hindus n whoever, known as the human race. What do u expect? Muhammad was illiterate. So he can’t read the bible or the torah. Even the Jews back then didn’t claimed Muhammad read their Torah n copied it somehow in a different n in a nicer way, n in a more convincing way. If someone else is conveying the secret of the Bible n Torah to him at that time, he would have been very stupid for not claiming he is the true prophet instead of Muhammad. Maybe he’s afraid to endure what Muhammad had endured, hardship, threats, mockery, siege, assassination attempts etc. etc. Oh unlike the Pharaoh of Egyptian, or nowadays politicians, u can’t find any Muhammad’s Palace or some fancy buildings or expensive jewelry r accessories of some kind, except an empty building, the Kaabah, which is always renewed since the dawn of time, which most people are saying, we, Muslims are worshipping it as Idols. Come on, it’s a building. Some Muslims even prayed in it. People are circling it when Muslims performed prayers, facing it. Don’t dig up new lies, like Muslims are worshipping circling n walking people. I would really had problems explaining it.

Ok, back to ur holy books. The problem is that, ur holy men, having exclusive right to it, had done some add ons, here n there. In one instance, there’s Jesus claiming he is the son of god, in one instance, referring and praying to God. A God praying to another God.???
We are not saying that u r believing in Satan, or claiming ur bible or Torah, a satanic verse like Salman Rushdie. We confirmed they r from God. But we are saying they are no longer in the pure form they once were.

2 July 2009 at 11:56  
Blogger srizals said...

Anonymouslyannoying said - Now you see in most Islam country you can see many war happened between the muslims themself because of their differences in Islam believe. I don't see that happened much in others country where thier national religon are not Islam.

Erm, where were u, this couple of centuries, Ur ignorance is bliss. No wonder u r the happy go lucky type, ain’t u lucky. Ever heard r read about - Rhwanda – Christians hutu vs. Christians Tutsi, Cambodia – Khmers vs. Khmers, buddhist, Vietnam, USA Civil Wars. White Christians vs White Christians, World War 1, 2. White Christians vs White Christians. Korean war, Buddhist. Israel seizures of Palestinian for more than 50 years n counting. Judaism. (They don’t seem had enough. Blood thirsty I guess). N some said Muslims r like vampires.. all these involved mass murders. Well, killing human beings, indiscriminately in the thousands,millions, slaughtering them like pigs. Babies, children, civilians, soldiers, all are open for extermination. 6 millions Jews gassed by a devout Muslim named Adolf Hitler. The Nazi symbols almost resemble the Crescent by the way. Stop giggling, Sydneysider. That’s why the Palestinian r paying the prize for the sins of the Christian Germans, yes Christian Germans, not Nazis, Nazi is not a religion, my dear the Glovner, they still worshipped Jesus Christ at that time. Drug wars in Mexico. Christians. Famine is Sudan, Christian Warlords supported by the West, had left millions died in starvation, n they blamed it on Omar, a Muslim of course. U can even go to Rwanda n Cambodia, n visit their Genocide Museum. There r even Genocide Museum in the Europe. There’s none in a Muslim Nation. But u can enjoy the beauty of Islamic heritage in Spain. The Christian there thinks they are too beautiful to be destroyed unlike the life of the Jews n Muslims, which they slaughtered, n commemorated each year as April Fools Day. Yes, Christians do have a strange sense of humor, ain’t it, Sydneysider. Ever heard of Spanish Inquisitions? Yes, Muslims r at war, sometimes with each other, but their conflicts r never at the genocide level like what I’d mentioned earlier. N usually they r on the dying side. Remember the Bosnian n Albanian? Serbian r well equipped while Bosnian r NOT allowed 2 hv weapons, even 2 defend themselves, err.. not to escalate the war or something like that. I’m really amazed with people like u, seriously, I am. People like u that makes the butchers, killers, lunatics run free n glorified as heroes defending their right, freedom. I wonder what’s ur press or reporters are like at ur country. Do they hv Internet Censorship or something like that in ur country. Cn u disclosed where r u from, plz…

2 July 2009 at 11:56  
Blogger srizals said...

Unless u r blind n deaf, my deepest apologies, but if u r not. Read up please. Before writing, or claiming something that would make u look stu…I’m not going 2 say the word. No wonder we r in such a mess….and the Palestinians suffered 4 more than 50 years. Sad u missed the beautiful phosphorus bombs when they explode in the sky n hit not the Hamas gunmen, bt schools, children, babies, even the UN buildings, that even burn the flesh for hours after contact. The Jews bike riders from hell, on Harleys, relaxing on their motorbikes, n witnessing it all, cheering as they saw the onslaught, the sight of t exploding bombs, wait a minute, it’s a war right. Hamas r firing deadly man made rockets that could punch a hole in your bikes n leave a fire cracker effects n wounded 2, or 3 n killed 1 or 2…Not like IDF weaponry, that would left craters that even digs up the dead n blow them to bits n killed n maimed thousands. Eh, its ok, its 1 Jew 4 a 1,000 Muslims/Christians Palestine. They started it. Why don’t they just died or flee n left Palestine. It’s no longer Palestine. Israel can be wider. Hey, yes the UN (colonial powers) at that time did carved Palestine in two, one for the Jews, (exclucively) n one for the Palestine. No, not Gaza n the West Bank of today. Read, read, find out, Look for it. Suffering n humiliations degenerate the human beings. Some of them will break; n become mindless killers, dangerous ay, Sydneysider.

2 July 2009 at 11:57  
Blogger srizals said...

whoa, wait a minute, I'm no Christians hater nor Jews either. Read my comments carefully plz. Never did I belittled Jesus like u did with Muhammad. Jesus is holy to us, it would be a great sin 4 me to even thinking of bad things about him. Read our koran, Maryam, n u understand our affection towards Jesus Christ. But plz, We can't accept him as the son of God, Even he himself never claimed it. This kind of add ons that made the Christians r so far a part n yet so close with Muslims. I'm just saying why there is a stereotype of labelling Muslims whereas the Christians r no saints either. Conflicts, Terrorists came from all religions n ethnicity. Why Islam always get the bad name?

2 July 2009 at 12:13  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

You can maybe ask any question of your religion, and everyone should be able to ask (and bloody well should ask) about their religions whatever form of the sky fairy they want to have faith in.

But when the questions are answered from an assumed position of being infallible and coming from a supernatural source of knowledge seems to be precisely the wrong approach for having any sort of intelligent debate.

2 July 2009 at 12:29  
Blogger srizals said...

Yes, Muhammad did lead a war, but how many? How many got killed? Don't just say it, gv facts, proof. When he opened Makkah, n destroyed the Idols corrupting Kaabah, only 10 people r on the wanted list of death. One of them, was hindon, a woman that is the arch enemy of Muhammad n even ate the liver of his beloved uncle, Hamzah. What happened to her in the end? She was forgiven by Muhammad. Strange eh, for mindless false prophet that is blood thirsty. How many people killed or died directly or indirectly by Muhammad through sanctions like done by Madeline Albright, US secretary that witnessed millions of babies n children of Iraq died, n when asked by reporters, was it worth it, She answered without guilt, yes..No this is not a made up story, u can check it for ur self. Muhammad lead the battle for freedom from oppressions by armies greater than his. Read up. In every battle, he is always outnumbered 3 to 1. Prisoners of war are not exterminated, but realesed for certains bails, or even just for teaching Muslims children. Read up. Proof I'm wrong. Don't just made allegations. We r in a blog, for God sake. Everyone is watching I'm lying to ur face....

2 July 2009 at 12:50  
Blogger srizals said...

Ok the Glovner, What intellectual debate u want. Religion aside. Choose a topic. I'm not spreading Islam with a sword or anything. Don't be afraid, If I decided to pull the trigger of the bomb around my waist, u will be safe n sound, thousand of miles from me. But promise me this, we r not going to insult each other, n name calling. agree? Let's have a discussion, it's nicer than debate, don't u think?

2 July 2009 at 12:59  
Anonymous len said...

It is interesting that the only religion that sees to be abusive here is Secular Humanist (atheists, agnostics,the religion of man trying to be God)
The prophets in the Old Testament testify to the coming Lord Jesus Christ, there are many, prophesies which no- one but the Lord Jesus Christ could fulfill!
The prophesies in the New Testament prophesy to coming events, the unfolding of Gods plan for His creation.

2 July 2009 at 13:44  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...


Makes sense to me that the only position to be shown scorn and hate from the religious is the Secular Humanist since these are the people that do not agree with your position in anyway.

At least if someone supports another religion then even though it is not your religion it gives you hope that your religion might be true. And that to religious is better than believing in nothing at all.


I'm a little taken aback by the statement you made:

"Don't be afraid, If I decided to pull the trigger of the bomb around my waist, u will be safe n sound, thousand of miles from me."

I don't believe I implied that you were some sort of bomber. Personally I believe that all people (religious and ireligious alike) are capable of doing bad things but people doing good things are certainly not monopolised by the religious. I simply cannot submit to the point of view that the god answer is the only true answer as this denies the opportunity to learn and grow. If we settled for this then we wouldn't be where we are now as we would have questioned and investigated nothing.

The point I was making is there is no point to the debate as I defend my point of view based on viewable facts, experimentation and experience, the faith of the religious is based in faith and nothing more and so it is unshakeable, it's a pointless argument.

2 July 2009 at 14:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is difficult to have a sensible debate with someone that considers detonating a bomb around their waist to be the act of a rational person.
One question i would like to pose to you is why, when we hear of the various tribes in Iraq and Afghanistan killing each, there is no condemnation from your muslim brothers but if a western soldier is involved, matters are viewed differently.
Is it OK for a muslim to kill a muslim and that offence arises only if someone from another religion gets involved?

2 July 2009 at 14:11  
Blogger srizals said...

Dear anonymouslyannoying,

U said we Muslims treated our women like trash. We r sex oriented bunch that likes to collect women as trophies n Muhammad had a child bride.
Hw about the prophets in ur biblical testaments? How many wives did Solomon had? Were it strange back than? How about sodomy? Is it normal back on those days, thousands of years ago?
U see, Muhammad did take a child's bride. As a wife. But nobody back then, the Christians n Jews alike condemn him in any way. Nor by his Arabs arch enemies, the idols worshipers, Why? Because He took a bride, not a mistress, not a contract marriage, n it is common at that time, n still common nowadays in our so called modern highly civilized era, child marriage is still going on. No, not just practiced by the Muslims, even though not in the majority, It is even practiced by others, Hindus, n even Mormons, a sect of the Christians faith. They even practiced polygamy.
If he is some kind of sex lunatic, won't he be wise enough to take as many children as he can gets his hands on just like modern Christians cult leaders since he had won the trust n influenced the Arabs to follow him, who before him killed their newborn daughters, by burying them alive, for shame, since he knew, that his daughters are just going to be a sex slave. This is before Muhammad came n all Arabs excepted Islam. Isn't it strange?

2 July 2009 at 15:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You said that Christian kills Christian in the world war 1 , 11, and others in Africa and others country. But that war was about one side defending their home land from intruder like the Nazi, When Madeline Albright sanctions Iraq you said that millions of baby of Iraq died. Does she entirely to be blamed about the sanctions, are there no other country such as your beloved Arab Country and OIC? What are they doing to help Iraqis? where are the billions of dollar from oil revenue from this so call Rich Muslim country to help their own muslim brothers and sister in need.I do thing u should check with all the rich Arab country where they spend their wealth, to the needy and betterment of whom? Spend them on weapon and invade Kuwait lead Saddam Hussain. War between Iraq and Iran, muslim country such as Pakistan, Afganistan were in such a mess. not because of Christianity by they themself. Today the USA want to withdraw their army from iraq, and the war between the Iraqis have started with explosions. In pakistan, they bomb the mosque a house of prayer, When you said you want to blow a bomb on your waist was that the truth teaching of Islam? In certain country in Asia, certain Islam based politicals party and politicians even call their own brothers of Islam Kafir just because they didn't have the same political view. If the American and England and others allied country do not defend this world from a lunatic power crazy Hitler i think today all this world will turn upset down. And the very first part of the World that will invade for it s oil is The Middle east and Arab state. Its funny that you said that you are not going to lie because of God. i didn't mean to belittle you or you faith, but just one to make it clear that i Believe in Jesus as you Believe In Allah. But please don't start blowing thing yet, because Jesus said be nice and good to others. If u think that Jesus is not God then it is up to you. But i believe Jesus is God. In Asia the most populated Muslim country was Indonesia, but there were Malay Christian that believe in Jesus and the greats each other with asalamualaikum the term that usually use by Arabs muslim.They even say that in Trinity Concept the call the Father is Allah. So no matter what you believe it st up to you, but don't insults others religion. Love each others, be friendly and kind. Just like Jesus said. Amen.

2 July 2009 at 15:07  
Blogger srizals said...

But u don't find it strange whenever a guy married another guy or even women, n then in some strange odd way, find a way to conceived a child or by adoption, to be the same like the normal couples.
U mock hw our Muslimah dress. If u observed closely, the hijab or head scarf is also worn by ur women of chaste, the nuns who devoted themselves to Jesus Christ n never married in their lives. No scandals come out from them, Can't say the same with ur reverends or priests. Unmarried yes, but they prey on boys, not in some gay marriage, but sodomized them brutally n what more despicable taking advantage of their faiths, not a boy, but as many boys that they can, boys in church's school.Need I mentioned the country? Anyone can stop me, n claimed this is a lie, anytime soon now. But this is what had happened n the Church involved had to fork out huge sum of money to compensate the victims.
Find this kind of story involving our headmen of religion. If u do, well they are the deviated ones, twisting the faith, to their advantage. N they are being punished n persecuted by Islamic authority. The Islamic authority are not required to compensate the victims, why? Because the sects are no longer true Muslim. They had abandoned the 5 pillars of Islam n the 6 rukun of faith, by claiming they are the last prophets, r receiving revelations from Allah n some sort like that. Well, to us, the main stream Muslims, they are renegades. Renegades that we must fight with our blood if we hv 2. Hw about your church scandals. Are they deviators too??

2 July 2009 at 15:07  
Blogger srizals said...

U mock marriages, but upheld sex trades, pornography, where women wearing a cross on their neck perform lewd despicable acts for ur entertainment. Had it happened in Muslim Nation. The retribution would be swift. They would all be arrested. But in your modern open minded society, its a profitable industry. One can hv sex with anyone, anytime without the string of marriage. Guess the largest teen parents in the world right now? There's even commotion about it recently in Britain, claiming a boy fathered a bastard baby, n everyone is showing their support n everyone seems ok about that. The father is not responsible for the child conceived. Hey, being bastards are not that all bad right. Ur celebrities live together like husbands n wives n what do ur religious authority had to say about it? In Muslim Nation, they would be presectuted n arrested for blasphemy in sex. Sex is not a sin or something dirty in Islam. It becomes dirty n sinful if done without a holy matrimony, between normal men n normal women. Never the same sex marriage. Sex outside marriage is considered unholy n retribution is hard. The married sinners are supposed to be stoned to death, while the virgins r to be whip 100 times. No, they r not going to die, this whip r not like the Americans whip, when they whip their slaves, or the Roman whips. U can check that no one has died because of the whipping, n for a long time now, the stoning rituals r no longer practiced. One man did even survived the stoning process in Iran, when he set himself free, n the judges decided it is the will of Allah to let him go. Stoning rituals are only carried out when the individuals themselves request the sentence to be carried out, to purify him or herself. That is why it is very rare to hear such punishments being carried out.
N why such harsh punishments? We are sex oriented lunatics right? That's why we have sex industry, n most of our glamorous wealthy men made money in this industry. Like Playboy n Penthouse owners, only recently closed because of Internet Pornography.
U even admire Pornstars like celebrities. Women who degrade themselves by having sex with as many men as they can, even with animals? What r their religions? N u claimed we Muslims r sex oriented. Open up ur eyes n see. Where does HIV comes from? From monkeys in a solitude forest? Get real.

2 July 2009 at 15:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The writer have taken the chance to attach to supestitions with Islam. Quran praised those christian saints who know the truth and never deny it. Islam is so great and he makes no difference among human being exept by the fear of God and all peopole should be buried in a simple way. Muslims should not be proud if MJ was a muslim because he did not live like one. Most of those talented singers are usually exhausted by business men to make the best out of their young age. That is why they resort to drugs an get addicted and die early or suffer in uncontrolled life. Some of them start looking for the truth and of course any truthful person will find islam the most convincing religion. If MJ died as amuslim may allah forgive his sins.

2 July 2009 at 15:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Like i say just now, if a person commit a sins it is his fault, Not others, If a christian wears clothing that is not like you hijab then you cannot judge them,When an islam want to change their religion to others the punishment is dead. Is that a good religion? You force others to believe and stay muslim. Where is you freedom in Islam? I see in Indonesia some Islam propose that homo and Lesbian is ok same sex marriage is oK. Just recently the Indian country say its ok for gay marriage. This people were the same people mentioned in the bible that has sins against God. But what make you think that Christianity has anything to do with all your nonsense. If he or she engaged in homosexual acts then is is their choice. And in any religion is a sins, sins against God. But Jesus said love and forgive. May be they are carried away with their sexual urge, when the time come they will realize their mistake and the y will repent. One day a group of people caught a woman who commit Adultery. They ask His opinion and said according to Moses law she must be stone to death. But Jesus said, anyone who has not commits sins stone the women first. Well all them walks away for knowing that they also commit sins. like you said the sex slavery, pornographic and homosexual were done by christian and White man or Jews, Well you should check you facts, Muslim, Malay, Indian, Chinese,African and all races in this world do have in their society regardless their gender and religion have those sex maniac and sex deviants.But Jesus said live a holy life, learn to be compassion and humble and most of all the God will forgive you sins if honestly repent your sins. Sin has nothing to do with being a muslim or christian or any religion.About HIV, it can be transmitted to sex and others method. Right now many Brilliant scientist are trying find a cure for the virus. Pornstars same as prostitute that have sex for the money and even in Muslim country they do have pornstar or prostitute. Like their american .japan Chinese or Thailand pornstar just they are lost souls that needs to be save. One way to save their soul is be repent and faith.The Lord will forgive you if you repent. Amen

2 July 2009 at 16:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Well, it ain't workin for me Sydneysider, guess not everyone has ur kind of sense of humor. Ok here goes, bye everyone, I'm going to blew myself up now. In pieces because nobody gets my joke.
Sorry 4 the bad joke, but Cat Steven aka Yusof Islam didn't find it funny either when they stripped search him n then ban him from entering USA, because he looks really, really bad like some Islamic madman Extremist, (with the beard n all, n the head cap, n the name Islam) that wanna blew u and me n everyone up in the name of Allah look, kinda
As I stated earlier, in my comments, It is a great sin to kill a human life, Muslims or Non Muslims, why? because God, Allah created n gave life to him, who r u 2 take it away??
It made no different, The sin of killing a man is equal of killing the entire human race. Why? asks the soldiers that did the killing, The devout Judaism young soldiers who read their Torah before bombing the helpless Palestinians. Once u get used to killing, u would never forget n get addicted to it. That's why we hv trigger happy USA soldiers, who shoot first n ask later.
Well, in one instance, they gang raped an Iraqi young girl, killed her, chopped her to pieces, n then tried to burn her body, along with the rest of the members of the family, n then tried 2 make it looks like it had been done by local terrorist. What did they get 4 doing such hideous acts aka worst than chainsaw massacre? They get American justice, prison sentences with chances 2 get parols.
N still u r wondering where did all this hate came from.
Yet in ur bible, stated an eye for an eye...
Sorry if I've frightened anyone. With all the Islamaphobic goin on, What was I thinking. Luckly I didn't get shot, like some poor old chap from Latin America who got shot by British special Units. They made sure he's dead by machine gunning his head. He wasn't even a Muslim. Wonder how did it turned out.
O, the blood bath in Afghanistan, n Pakistan, USA, USSR interventions did play some part in it. Those crazy Muslim, who is willing to kill their brothers are the worst kind. They would burn in Hell of course, unless they repent n asked the forgiveness of the family members murdered n compensate them, his life is spared n sins washed away, but repent is a word easily said than done. If he's not sincere enough, he would still go to hell. N hell is not some hot summer vacation. A day in the after life is as the same with a thousand years in our present time. so I don't think its a place u wanna be. N suffering with Satans, butchers, sinners, I don't think we want to be there.
I will tell u one secret, eyes that cried in fear of God will never be touched by hell fire no matter how great his sins was. But again, not everyone can cried their hearts out simply because he feels sorry doing something prohibited by God n really got scared of the unseen God. I hope I'm one of them. U see. I'm not a devout Muslim. Sometimes I do fail my test as a Muslim. Sometimes, anger got the best of me. But I'm still learning to be good, one thing, I've never killed anyone, especially babies n helpless children n women, nor did hideous sexual acts with whomsoever I please. Never beat up anyone because he's different from me. I got a wife, wish I had four. But polygamy is not that easy see. U hv to take care of ur wives n kids. Pay for everything, provide their needs. Well, marriages are like that. Its about responsibilities n it is expensive.

2 July 2009 at 16:31  
Blogger srizals said...

I'm not saying Muslims are better than anyone else. Some of us will end up in hell, if we didn't repent in time, before death knockin on our door. Well, sin is a kinda enjoyable thing that makes u kinda addicted to it. Its fun, makes u feel free n alive etc. etc. Except those who always purifies him or herself n really2 regret that he had defies Allah, the Maker, and pays His kindness by going against His will.
I would like to share a story with u, wondered if u heard it before. There was a man, he had killed 99 lives, n he kinda felt sorry 4 what he had done, so he went to see a holy man, n asked him would God forgive him for his misdeed. Hearing about his killings, the holy man chase him out in anger, n ended up the 100th victims. Frustrated, the killer went on to see another holy man. The holy man told him, God is a forgiving God, not matter how huge ur sins were, God's mercy is larger, but u hv to leave this country. Well at that times, leaving the safety of ur cities n not knowing where u heading kinda suicide see. But this man is determined, in the end, he end up dead in the middle of his journey. Two angels descend on him n both tried to claim his soul. One demanded his soul, claiming that he is a sinner, while the other one claimed he is a good man, dying in his quest to be good. In the end, Allah declared to both angels, he is a good man. He washed his sins with his own life. Well, repent is a word easy to the tongue, but not that easy to the bones.

2 July 2009 at 16:57  
Anonymous Liberator said...

As a footnote, you may spout all the rhetoric, poetry & writings of your favourite prophet, fill up pages & chapters, BUT the truth is often very simple, i.e 2+2=4.
Jesus Christ IS the Living One, still changing lives, He was dead, He is alive for evermore. AMEN!

2 July 2009 at 19:28  
Anonymous len said...

1 John 5:11-12,
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have eternal life.

The only way to possess eternal life is to possess the Son of God Jesus Christ.

2 July 2009 at 20:26  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Prove it then Liberator.

Oh that's right you can't.

2 July 2009 at 21:12  
Anonymous len said...

The Glovner If God came to Earth and told hunanity he was God would you believe Him?,
Oh He did!

2 July 2009 at 21:48  
Anonymous len said...

humanity, before you correct me!

2 July 2009 at 21:49  

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