Tuesday, October 13, 2009

The ‘Brighton bomber’ enters Parliament

Can you imagine Guy Fawkes being taken into the Grand Committee Room of Parliament and asked to share a ‘forgiveness’ platform with King James I?

Of course, we already have terrorists in Parliament. And since Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness have been brought into government, complete with tax-payer funded, unrestricted access to the Palace of Westminster, there seems no reason at all to bar Patrick Magee, the ‘Brighton Bomber’, who will enter Parliament at 6.30pm today.

The occasion marks the 25th anniversary of the bombing of the Brighton Grand Hotel during the Conservative Party Conference in 1984. There are many MPs and peers who find his presence repugnant: he was, after all, the most successful bomber to attempt to assassinate the government since Guy Fawkes’ abortive attempt four hundred years ago. Mr Magee plotted, planned and planted the bomb in the hope if murdering Margaret Thatcher and destroying the entire British Cabinet. And he came very close.

But while the traitor Guy Fawkes is still incinerated annually on the top of a thousand bonfires, Patrick (or ‘Pat’) Magee is being fêted at the expense of the taxpayer instead of being detained at Her Majesty’s pleasure.

Cranmer might view this differently if Mr Magee were repentant. For forgiveness is a divine command, and to restrict its flow is to limit mercy. But Mr Magee is not remotely repentant. Indeed, he says he ‘stands by his actions’ though he ‘regrets the attack’.

Perhaps he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for this pseudo-legitimising paradoxical verbiage and oxymoronic incongruity.

One cannot regret what one stands by. If an action is mistaken, it must be amended: only a just and right action can be defended. To legitimise is to negate regret. Mr Magee still argues that he ‘felt trapped’ because they were ‘the underdogs’ who ‘had no other way’.

The bomb was wholly justifiable because there was no alternative.

This is not the reasoning of someone who ‘regrets’.

Indeed, it is a consequence of liberating a man who should have served his entire natural life (eight life sentences) incarcerated for treason, if not been sent to the gallows. For what is the attempted assassination of Her Majesty’s Government if it be not treason?

But the Good Friday Agreement dispensed with the need for retribution. Indeed, treason is no longer a capital offence. Patrick Magee (or ‘Pat’) was released after a mere 14 years (less than three years for each death, or four months for each injury and death), without the need for regret, atonement, reparation or justice for the injured and bereaved. There was a crass quid pro quo: we’ll stop bombing you if you free our fellow freedom fighters. It was a very good Friday agreement indeed for the likes of Patrick Magee.

Or 'Pat'.

And so today he enters Westminster as a guest of The Forgiveness Project and the ‘All-Party Parliamentary Group on Conflict Issues’ (the what?). He will address an audience along with Jo Berry, the daughter of the MP Sir Anthony Berry who was killed in the blast. Apparently ‘hearing the story of “the enemy”’ is intrinsic to the project’s mission.

Ms Berry’s participation in this event is, of course, a matter for her. To share a platform with the man who murdered your father must be difficult indeed. Even more so when the murderer shows no remorse, and when they are giving the pulpit of the Grand Committee Room – in which Sir Anthony had frequently spoken – to an assassin who still argues that he ‘had no other way’.

Tell that to Lord Wakeham, whose wife was killed in the attack.

Tell that to Lord Tebbit, whose wife was left paralysed for life.

How can a platform for forgiveness even be considered when it is not forgiveness which is being sought and the event offends those who have been most hurt? Forgiveness is concerned with repentance, contrition and regret. And that is not on offer.

The ‘underdogs’ who ‘had no other way’ certainly had the way that is now being pursued, for this is about reconciliation and participation in the legitimate processes of government. Patrick Magee had the choice of participating in democracy or blowing people to bits. He chose the latter because he could not be bothered to talk, negotiate or vote. And when he did vote, it was easier to terrorise than to abide by the outcome.

And now he has become a celebrity terrorist, lauded and applauded by his employer ‘The Forgiveness Project’. He is next to be seen on ‘Celebrity Big Brother’ or ‘Dancing on Ice’.

A few years ago, the BBC invited Lord Tebbit take part in Radio 4’s ‘The Reunion’ alongside Mr Magee. Lord Tebbit wrote in The Daily Telegraph: ‘Now it seems we are to be encouraged not merely to accept Mr Magee as a respectable human but to admire and — most sickeningly of all — to like him.” In another article published in The Financial Times earlier this year, Lord Tebbit declared that this kind of appeasement was symptomatic of the weakness and lack of resolve in modern British society.

To the question of whether he would like to meet Mr Magee and his accomplices he replied: “Yes, I would like to bump into them. If I was driving a heavy truck.”

For Lord Tebbit, forgiveness is a conditional social contract — it is given when it is deserved. And he says: “I can’t forgive someone who justifies what he did.”

The Forgiveness Project is a cultural counterfeit consistent with the zeitgeist. It is not quite ‘forgive and forget’, but it is about excusing and ‘fair-mindedness’, somehow minimising the hurt by ‘putting it into perspective’, or the pursuit of some ‘blind trust’ in the hope of a promise yet to be fulfilled.

Lord Tebbit said that he would share a platform with Patrick Magee ‘when Magee could repent, atone for his sins and help to indict and convict those who employed him’. He wrote of The Freedom Project that it ‘excuses, rewards and encourages murder’.

For the Christian, there must be forgiveness, but genuine forgiveness is not an emotion and it does not negate the rawness of hurt or loss. God did not excuse sin by considering that there may be extenuating circumstances. And neither does God meet our defiance by denying His hurt: the pain was traumatic, the agony almost unbearable.

Forgiveness is the outworking of the love of God. We must pray that God would forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. We are commanded to love our enemies and to pray for those who persecute us. St Paul makes it clear that personal vengeance is inconsistent with loving our enemies.

Yet he also says:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

If the state had fulfilled its obligations, justice would have been done and be seen to have been done. And Patrick Magee would not now be walking around freely preaching 'forgiveness' in the heart of the institution he once tried to destroy.


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13 October 2009 at 10:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An interesting piece on Romans 13:1-7

Anthony Martin's Weblog

Which reminds me, Lord Martin comes into efect today also (another controversy of moral values).

13 October 2009 at 10:19  
Anonymous Robert Eve said...

Spot again!!

13 October 2009 at 10:19  
Anonymous Anabaptist said...

You may have reservations about it, Cranny, and so might I, but the basis of the South African 'Truth and Reconciliation Commission' is that truth must be established before reconciliation can be achieved or attempted -- truth concerning the evil of those actions for which forgiveness is sought. Only then may reconciliation be achieved and forgiveness completed. I believe this principle is well discussed in Miroslav Wolf's 'Exclusion and Embrace'.

The idea that forgiveness can be just sprayed around without repentance or acknowledgement of crime on the part of the forgiven is morally repugnant, and is just as bad as saying there can be no forgiveness even when there is repentance.

'Forgive them, for they know not what they do' is posited on the assumption that if they did know what they did, they wouldn't have done it.

Magee's weasely regretting whilst standing by his actions falls far short of any acceptable mea culpa.

Every right-thinking person must agree with your sentiments in this posting.

13 October 2009 at 10:34  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

This is a most difficult sermon to read.

There are so many aspects to it: what is the duty of the God created institution of the State? To punish the wrong-doer and commend the good. What happens when a State does evil, as under Charles I? Or under King George III? Were Cromwell and Washington doing their duty?

And was the nature of that duty encapsulated by: give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God?

It is an iron law within Judaeo-Christianity that if I do not forgive the other’s wrong against me, then I shall not be forgiven by the only one who really matters, God. Yet when I examine my pleading to be forgiven, oft at times I see that I am only asking to be excused – which is something entirely different.

At times I behave like Jonah of the whale fame. I see that God forgives mine enemies who have hurt me without asking first for my permission. It is as if just before the other’s fist connected with my cheek – God himself was struck first. For on what other basis could God be forgiving the murderer of my son or daughter who asks God to forgive him?

And what if, God forbid, I should stand in the place of the convicted murderer?

If Mr Magee does not ask God to forgive him and repent; then he shall go to the place where the majority go: to the region of the damned – to become creatures that they were never meant to be.

13 October 2009 at 10:45  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

It is often said that:

‘The idea that forgiveness can be just sprayed around without repentance or acknowledgement of crime on the part of the forgiven is morally repugnant…’

Should a Judaeo-Christian forgive the unrepentant murderer of his daughter?

In my opinion, he should; though, it is difficult indeed.

Here, forgiving does not mean excusing. Here, the State must endeavour to do its God-given duty – punish the murderer. Here, vengeance is extinguished. Here, he that forgives will restore the right relationship - eternal - with his Creator. Here, the forgiver ejects the danger of a life-long bitterness from entering his soul – a bitterness that risks seeping into every other relationship – including the relationship with his own disquieted soul.

There lies peace.

13 October 2009 at 11:27  
Blogger Ian said...

I have always seen Jo Berrys reaction to Magee as a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

She cannot bring herself to accept the hate she must feel (justifiably) so she 'forgives' as a form of 'control'. Its the ego playing mind games.

Magee has never shown contrition for his crimes and I think its terribly sad that Ms Berrys obvious dilemma is used by 'interested' parties.

The BBC which by any stretch of the imagination could not be viewed as sympathetic to Christians was giving this 'forgiveness' angle a huge spin on the news yesterday. Hypocrites.

I do feel some compassion for Ms Berry. Its a shame that it seems no one will help her.

A great post btw.

13 October 2009 at 11:35  
Anonymous Gareth said...

Your Grace,

Speaking as one born in Ulster in the height of the troubles, who has heard bombs, who has seen the aftermath of shootings...

"Forgive and you will be forgiven"

Some people do not seem to know that this is actually a direct quote from Luke 6:37. And in case you thought this may be a mistake, these word are repeated in Matthew 6:14 and Mark 11:25. Forgiving others is not a matter of choice, it is a direct command from our Lord, which some seem to prefer to ignore or rationalize away.

But there is no way around this command. We may not hold grudges or keep accounts. We are obliged to forgive with the same grace and kindness with which God forgave us. You may remember Jesus telling a parable (in Mat 18:23) of the man who owed his master many dollars – not nearly as much as we owed God. This man was forgiven his debt – just as we have been forgiven. But the same man who was forgiven so much would not forgive his co-worker who owed him .0001% of what he had been forgiven! Jesus’ verdict was that because the first servant would not forgive his friend, he would be held accountable to pay his debt also. So the options are clear; either we must forgive others or we will be held liable for our debts.

there can be no doubt that we have no options but to forgive those who sin against us, even up to 490 times (Mat 18:21-22). In fact, we should forgive an unlimited number of times because if we have really forgiven the person, the counter is reset to zero each time, so we actually never get past the first time!

Sometimes we don’t forgive because the other party did not ask for forgiveness or admit that they are wrong, and while some scriptures make that a requirement (Luke 17:4), most do not. We are to forgive even if the offender does not accept culpability or show signs of repentance. This is because the Lord requires that we forgive others for our own sake and not for the sake of the offender. When we live with bitterness and un-forgiveness in our hearts, our whole outlook, spirit and attitude is contaminated by that bitterness. When we live with a grudge, we struggle to enter into healthy relationships with others and it also affects our relationship with the Lord. Such bitterness eventually permeates our whole life and could even have a detrimental effect on our physical health. We must forgive for our own sake. The sinner has to resolve his own issues with the Lord. Our forgiveness or grudges have no direct impact on the other person’s relationship with the Lord.

I lived in Fermanagh at the time of the Remembrance Day bomb, a bomb for which no-one has been brought to justice....

My primary school friend lost his grandparents in the blast...

Gordon Wilson, was rightly feted for his forgiveness of the bombers without knowing what they thought.

Terrorism exploits the ripple effect of violence to trap a community into a cycle of despair and retribution.

I have been confronted just this week in Poland while celebrating Solidarity and its peaceful 1989 revolution with the graceful un-forgiveness of a Croatian towards the Serbs. Likewise I have wrestled with Lord Tebitt’s moving and eloquent un-forgiveness towards Magee’s peculiar brand of self justificatory ‘regret.’

I therefore feel compelled to respectfully disagree with your Grace’s sermon. While I firmly believe in incarceration of terrorists for public safety, politically motivated crime also requires a political solution. Sometimes this results in the need for an abundance of grace to overcome the pain of the compromises of a peace process.

Just one final thought. In my experience unrepentant Terrorists are the product of un-forgiveness and bitterness! I have rarely met a more eloquent person than a Sinn Fein/IRA activist…I have also never met more bitter, twisted people trapped by their own un-forgiveness. The injustices they fight in the name of may be real. But their reaction towards violence turns them into the worst form of the unforgiving person.

Blessings and Peace


13 October 2009 at 11:37  
Anonymous Patrick Hamilton said...

(1Sa 15:33) And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

13 October 2009 at 11:49  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Terrorists are murderous bastards
who should get life imprisonment without pardon.

13 October 2009 at 12:25  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Who's surprised? This is just another example of how sick socialist "justice" has become.

McGee should have been locked up for life, or better, been subjected to a death sentance for committing mass murder. Mind you, McGee won't be the only traitor present in the Grand Committee Room this evening so he shouldn't feel out of place...

13 October 2009 at 13:35  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

There is another aspect to all of this.

Forgiveness entails moral judgment; repentance and acknowledging wrong and right, good and evil and knowing the difference between forgiveness and excusing.

The prevailing Left-liberal zeitgeist can know little about forgiveness but much about excusing. Crime for the Left-liberal is determined by social, economic and environmental factors which can be fixed by high levels of taxation, expenditure and through redistribution of wealth. Indeed, for the thorough-going Left-liberal there may be a component in a person’s DNA that may impel a life of crime.

But if that be the case then each man is no longer free to murder or not: for the act is predetermined. And if that be the case then the entire conception of justice in the West needs to be overturned and sentences reflecting the DNA discount will need to be handed down.

The paradox is that in the Left-liberal scheme of things Man is not considered to be free and therefore not a free moral agent and in consequence he cannot be forgiven, only, ultimately, excused.

Even though the Left-liberal congratulates himself on being the champion of freedom – the convict in Wormwood Scrubs who does not desire rehabilitation is oppressed by the State’s desire to rehabilitate him.

This discussion, of course, would not have arisen had the State hanged Mr Magee. The Left-liberal would, of course object to that very idea – because it believes there is only this one life to be lived. But the murderer’s victim only had this one life to live as well – and his murder requires a just and proportionate response from the State. Execution.

It is also said, by the Left-liberal, that hanging is an irrevocable act. But so are the decades spent in prison upon a wrongful conviction. ‘Death is an inevitable fact of existence,’ I think Jean-Paul Sartre said. It is to be hoped that in such a situation the convicted murderer makes his peace with his Creator in the execution shed before he enters the next stage of his life. For that next stage is truly an irrevocable act.

13 October 2009 at 13:47  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Twenty-five years ago McGee had the opportunity to "forgive" Margaret Thatcher and her cabinet. He turned it down. Instead, he attempted to murder them all. His lack of forgiveness on that occasion is matched by mine now.

13 October 2009 at 13:51  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Well, dear friends, perhaps the best way to deal with the matter is a wee bomb this afternoon in the appropriate place? I jest, of course, (and so the good folks in the special branch reading this posting need have no qualms)

However, the principle might be instructive. Were the IRA's man to be blown to bits later on today, then it would be most interesting to learn of the state's response. A public amnesty? Invited to Dublin in a decade's time to be feted by the Irish parliament? Truth and reconcilliation?

The justification to the bomb plot would be, as it presumably also was in Mr Fawkes' time, as well as in 1984 'there was no other way'

But somehow I doubt that it would be seen that way by the liberal establishment It never is. What's good for the goose is never good for the gander, not in Brown's Britain.

That's why the government is so scared of the mussies, of course. all the other law abiding minorities can s*d off, of course, but the mussies....oh, dear....they might hurt us, so give them anything they ask for, and more. Hardly surprising that Islam view the west as 'weak'. It's precisely that. Spineless, gutlessly weak.

13 October 2009 at 14:12  
Blogger Death Bredon said...

Your Grace:

To extend forgiveness to the unrepentant is to cast pearls before swine. Excellent post.

13 October 2009 at 14:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patrick Magee has performed a useful service to the rest of us; he has shown that killing the government is an acceptable form of political activity.

Be afraid, Gordon, Jacqui, be very afraid...

Brian, follower of Deornoth

13 October 2009 at 14:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This parliament lost credability years ago, why would a terrorist attending raise any eyebrows, have mcguiness and adams not being living off the perks a while now? Fraudsters and criminals run it and an unelected foreigner has the top job. This parliament is a joke these days and its in its dying days as a UK parliament.

13 October 2009 at 14:52  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

Just because you let those who have hurt you off your hook, doesn't mean that the Lord Almighty has let them off His.

I've seen the Lord's judgment upon people and it's very sobering.

Mr MaGee would do well to think about where he wants to spend eternity.

13 October 2009 at 14:56  
Anonymous stedmancinques said...

Meanwhile Harridan Harperson is taking steps to prevent two elected MEP's from entering the hallowed precincts on the grounds that she finds their politics repulsive. Not half as repulsive as I find this revolting spectacle.

13 October 2009 at 15:26  
Blogger OldSouth said...

Bravo, your Grace!

I can't imagine the response if Timothy McVeigh, the man who drove the bomb-laden truck to the front of the Oklahoma City Federal building that terrible morning, had been merely incarcerated, and then subsequently released to address Congress. My heavens.

The prosecutors and jury here prevented that. The sentence was read out, naming each victim he murdered, one by one, followed by 'Death'. This ensured that even were he to dodge justice on one of his victims, all the others stood in line with a separate death sentence to enforce.

Mr. McVeigh, we can state with assurance, is now incapable of harming or killing any other person on the planet. He cannot write a book, file an appeal, demand a deposition from any victim's family, give interviews, or become a folk hero who casts himself as a man with 'no other choice' than to murder innocents.

Mr. McVeigh was executed, defiant to the very end.

What was left to the victims and survivors was the hard task of picking up their lives and moving ahead. I think especially of the parents of the small children killed, as they pass each year: the high school graduation that would have been on such-and-such a date, the wedding that will never take place, the grandchildren that will never grace their houses. I don't know how I would cope in their place.

It would be overwhelmingly difficult, were I to see my child's murderer addressing Congress, however.

My prayers go forth on behalf of the victims.

13 October 2009 at 15:35  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

All the self-righteous atheists I've ever met have been intent on getting me to admit that, as an idiot and an Englishwoman, it is my duty "to forgive and forget."
This way, I know, they are assured that they can do whatever they like to me ~~I will not seek revenge.

They get half of their assurance always. I tell them forgiveness is not mine to bestow - vengeance is the Lord's; that I am forbidden from pursuing revenge, even if I were capable of it. I tell them - however - I have a very good memory; I am incapable of forgetting. Indeed, I would be a fool to do so.

Remembering how and why (if I know) and what they have perpetrated allows me at least to build some defences against them - and perhaps to avoid repetition of the damage. Or, if I can get far enough away, it means I don't have to watch the masks fall from their hate-filled, twisted, faces and minds - as they work against me or others.

Now, it seems, all this has moved away from individual choice: now the community must accept and be ruled by the haters. And how many of them hate not because they have been personally hurt or victimised - but because, for example, Cromwell massacred people several hundred years ago? Or because marxists teach them that all English people benefitted from slavery, and should now be punished? [Never mind who else practised it from time immemorial - and who actually set about abolishing it...]

In the present case, I take the point of Anguished Soul, above. The text Your Grace quotes suggests that terrorists and other criminals at the euro-bureau should fear. They have wrested what used to be the State away from God's purpose. They should fear greatly.

My question is, why don't they? This inability to fear God and to respect restraint and goodness - what does it tell us about the nature of evil?

13 October 2009 at 16:03  
Blogger English Viking said...

An excellent post which is correct in its entirety.

13 October 2009 at 16:13  
Anonymous len said...

Forgiveness is best understood if one remembers that God is a god of justice as well as mercy. When Jesus forgives those who execute him in the most denigrating and painful way, he enjoins restraint because they “know not what they do.” They are agents who have no idea who or what they are dealing with. Most often, however, perpetrators of evil deeds know exactly what they are doing and delight in the doing of it, believing it will bring them glory or some other reward on this earth or the next. One extraordinary example of forgiveness in our own time was John Paul II’s forgiveness of his would-be assassin. The late pontiff forgave his attacker as he was being rushed in an ambulance to the hospital, where he nearly died. Later, he visited his assailant in prison and prayed with him. But none of this implied that John Paul opposed bringing the full force of Italian law to bear on the perpetrator. He, the pope, had been attacked as a man; he could, and did, forgive. But when an assault is made against an entire nation and its people, as in the 9/11 attacks, it then falls under the purview of the government. A responsible government seeks to do what the police do in a domestic situation: Stop the behavior. Do not let them do this again. And find those responsible so that they can be brought to justice. How this is best done is, of course, the subject of considerable dispute. And when punishment is handed down we may well call for a measure of mercy along with justice. But it is not my business to “forgive” those who murdered my fellow citizens.

13 October 2009 at 20:29  
Blogger Preacher said...

God is indeed a God of justice & mankind would do well to remember this. I recall a book that told of an American army padre who was assigned to the Nazi war criminals at the Nurenburg trials after the War, he recounts that several of them repented & faced execution with calmness & the admission that they deserved their sentence but trusted in God's promise of redemption through the blood of Christ. Others were unrepentant to the end & faced eternity with an unrepentant heart. Every man has a choice, but should weigh up the results of that choice while there is still time. "It is given unto men once to die - and then the judgement!"

13 October 2009 at 21:31  
Blogger ZZMike said...

One of the earlier forgivers of sin added a codicil: "go, and sin no more".

He didn't call explicitly for repentance, but it's really hard to imagine that repentance isn't called for.

If I forgive someone for an injury, and they intend to do it again, I've wasted my time and theirs.

"Then Peter came to him and said, “Lord, how many times must I forgive my brother who sins against me? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “Not seven times, I tell you, but seventy-seven times!"

I think that assumed that you'd still be alive after the first few assaults. ("77" was a metaphor for "infinitely many".)

Another angle is one len brought up: can I forgive A for a sin against B? I don't think so.

13 October 2009 at 23:27  
Blogger The Lakelander said...

The United Kingdom is not South Africa.

We do not need a Truth & Reconcilliation Commission for the atrocities that the IRA committed on British soil.

13 October 2009 at 23:38  
Anonymous The Vicar's Wife said...

Is Your Grace aware of the comment made by the then Rector of St Helen's Bishopsgate, Prebendary Dick Lucas, following the bombing there in 1992? When asked if he forgave the bombers, he said 'I'm not aware that anyone has asked for forgiveness'. I think forgiveness and a lack of bitterness are often confused by the media.

14 October 2009 at 10:26  
Blogger Sam Norton said...

Forgiveness is but one aspect in the wider process of reconciliation; that is, it has a purpose beyond itself. Where there is no repentance then reconciliation is impossible, not because forgiveness may not be offered but because without repentance the relationship cannot be restored, the harm is still present. That is why the process as a whole is 'truth and reconciliation' - without an acceptance of the truth of right and wrong, and that some actions undertaken were wrong and need to be repented of, no reconciliation (including forgiveness as a constituent part) is ever possible.

In addition, what applies in human relations also applies in our relationship to God.

14 October 2009 at 11:31  
Blogger Wrinkled Weasel said...

Strange that this murdering bastard is allowed into Parliament. I wonder what the reaction would be if Wilders, who is essentially a law abiding citizen, tried the same trick?

I think you know that MPs would be lining up to block the doorways. He should have spent the rest of his life in jail,or failing that, been hanged.

14 October 2009 at 16:24  

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