Saturday, November 28, 2009

Lord Pearson of Rannoch – God’s Euro-sceptic

The election of Malcolm, the Lord Pearson Rannoch to the leadership of the United Kingdom Independence Party is no trivial matter. He may be dismissed by ConservativeHome as lacking democratic legitimacy, and by some contributors as being BNP-lite; he may be marginalised by the BBC as being an ‘extreme-right’ former Tory rather grey peer who was thrown out of the Conservative Party for conduct unbecoming a grey Tory peer. He may merit almost no mention in the mainstream media because he is obscure, unknown and uninteresting. But UKIP now have a leader of gravitas, charisma, experience and intelligence. Not that Mr Farage had neither intelligence nor charisma, but Lord Pearson possesses a thousand times his credibility, standing and political acumen.

He was termed ‘God’s Euro-sceptic’ by The Daily Telegraph back in 1997: the article merits scrutiny. He is referred to as ‘a man of manic activity (with) the inflexible resolve of an indefatigable, compulsive fighter’. Beneath a kindly humility he is ‘burning with moral fire’. To understand what makes him tick, one has to appreciate that he is inspired not by politics, financial gain or personal ambition, but by an understanding and appreciation of ‘his place and purpose in the universe’: his charity work for the mentally handicapped; his passion for democracy; his anti-corruption stance; his record of helping Soviet and East European dissidents; his remembrance of God and loathing of Socialism all derive from a ‘Manichean vision’ in which ‘evils (are) fighting side by side in (a) cosmic conflict’.

He is a Whig-type of Conservative of the highest calibre, possessing of a formidable intellect and Rottweiler-like tenacity. And he has pledged to broaden UKIP from being perceived as a one-trick, single-issue-obsessed receptacle for the disaffected Tory protest vote to being a party of broad appeal with a credible political manifesto.

And the Conservative Party ought to be worried: very worried indeed.

Lord Pearson’s stated objective is a hung parliament, and this is not an unlikely outcome. He hopes somehow to be able to influence its direction in that neutered state of paralysis, but it is not clear how (considering that only Buckingham is likely to yield a UKIP MP).

His strategy for wider appeal is that he is not only concerned with Britain’s relations with the EU, but also with the rise of Islamo-fascism, for it was he (along with Baroness Cox) who invited Dutch MP Geert Wilders to Parliament to explain his fight against extremist Islam, who was overruled by the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, but who ultimately triumphed despite the threat from Lord Ahmed to bring 10,000 of his co-religionists to Westminster to protest.

He intends to make the fight against ‘radical Islam’ something of a crusade. The reality is that Lord Pearson is intent on bringing the issue of immigration to the next general election, and his intervention may achieve precisely what Sir James Goldsmith achieved back in 1997 with his demand for a referendum on the ‘ever closer union’ of the European Union.

The problem for the Conservative Party is that the juxtaposition of Euro-scepticism with a robust policy on immigration will go down well with the general public, many of whom are horrified about the direction the country is taking, and who, according to The Guardian, ‘want to physically puke every time they see a Westminster MP on television, but who are not prepared for the mental leap of voting for the BNP’.

Lord Pearson is a strong supporter of freedom of speech and a ‘localist’, desiring to introduce Swiss-style referenda on major issues, subject to a million signatures, and to limit Parliament’s remit only to national affairs (so foxhunting, for example, would be decided by local assemblies and local referenda). And he would also reduce the number of MPs to 250, and he favours the re-introduction of grammar schools. He is also a supporter of the pro-field sports and conservation Countryside Alliance.

It is difficult to discern anything that Whiggish Conservatives will not like: he was nominated as ‘Peer of the Year’ by Daniel Hannan. It cannot be forgotten that Lord Pearson leads the party that came second in this year’s Elections to the European Parliament, and has 13 MEPs, which includes Marta Andreasen who leads the opposition to the EU fraud, corruption and false accounting.

Under Lord Pearson, UKIP will become a credible populist party of patriotic appeal (some will term it nationalist zeal). He is fair and decent man (some will term him 'extremist', 'loony' and ‘racist’); he will court the votes of disaffected Conservatives with eloquence and gentle persuasion (which some will term the irrelevant musings of a gadfly).

The reality is that Lord Pearson is not prepared to be complacent on issues in which the other parties are content to be so. He said: “If you are a sheep or a lemming you don’t join UKIP. The party is for original thinkers, lateral thinkers, people who care passionately about our culture and our history and who do not like to see our system of representative parliamentary democracy being broken down.”

The Conservative Party might just find this man rapidly becomes the People’s Peer: the Peer of people’s hearts. He says: “It is very worrying that a large and growing sector of our society is set against our way of life and laws, our treatment of women and our religion.” He is candid about the dangers of a ‘religious, political and legal system all rolled into one’, and is intent on donning the armour of God to battle against the principalities and powers.

He says that he has received veiled threats, but he is not going to keep quiet. Lord Pearson has seen the face of God, and been anointed a prophet: he is a man with a mission. It would be a grave mistake to underestimate him.

42 Comments:

Anonymous Voyager said...

He will have to rise above his rather feeble performance with Guru-Murthy on Channel 4 News last night. It was dire. Guru-Murthy would have been put in his box by anyone who had mastered his brief. I fear Lord Pearson is lacking in aggression and forceful argument and could not deal privileged yuppies like Guru-Murthy as Ann Coulter would did with Paxman

28 November 2009 11:06  
Blogger Gnostic said...

In the appalling absence of any discernible Tory backbone, rationality and honesty when it comes to protecting our sovereignty, Lord Pearson can expect to receive my vote.

I understand the common-sensical Lord isn't taken in by this Thermageddon BS either, which the CRUgate scandal calls further into question. Sounds like the right man for the job...

28 November 2009 11:50  
Anonymous iain said...

Perhaps he'll see to it that UKIP organises in Northern Ireland as well.

28 November 2009 11:51  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

Voyager

Speaking as a White Christian who has had a gut full of the political class who are now a breed apart, and who abjectly refuse to listen to anyone that strays from their own agenda, I did not see Lord Pearson's interview as dire. The key to this is the word 'performance'. You, like the vast majority of the UK voters have come to expect a 'performance' from our wonderful cast of lying hypocritical bastards that grace the stage of Westminster.

My own interpretation of it was refreshing. Oh God he will come in for some criticism from the squirming three. But lets get things into perspective here, anyone who dares to utter the word immigration and Islam in the same sentence is going to attract the attention of the Guru-Murthys of this world.

My own feelings are fuck Guru-Murthy (not lierally) because I am not in least bit interested in his agenda. It wasn't long ago that people were being implored to vote UKIP instead of the BNP as a protest vote, but suddenly worm has turned here also.

I am one of these people who feel a genuine physical sickness at the sight of one of our lovely MP's.

Thank God for UKIP!

28 November 2009 12:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's our man. Not a paid up member of the British political class then. I smell honesty and the values I grew up with here. All the main problems clearly identified and the first and underlying course of action clearly set out. A bit different from Blair's heir; a leader and not a focus group diviner.

28 November 2009 12:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good to see the controlled media pushing UKIP again. There must be an election coming and we wouldn’t want the British National Party to get an MP elected to Westminster would we? God forbid.

First it was the EU and now, all of a sudden, UKIP have embarked on a imaginary crusade against radical islam (as if there’s any other kind) and are going to stand a ‘strong’ candidate against Nick Griffin in Barking.

Call me a cynic, but taking votes away from the BNP to ensure the old party system remains in place appears to be UKIP’s primary purpose. After all, none of the old parties are listening to the majority of people in this country opposed to the EU, mass immigration and islamification. This would be a huge vote winner. What better way to thwart the democratic process than to make sure all disaffected and disenfranchised voters are safely channelled into the establishment controlled sink hole – UKIP. That leaves the way clear for NuLabour and Tory-Lite to keep the federalists and grateful new ‘British’ citizens on side.

28 November 2009 12:27  
Blogger Terry Hamblin said...

I met the guy about a year ago. He made me think there was still some hope for politicians.

28 November 2009 12:34  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

Anonymous 12:27

If there is a hung Parliament, everyone is going to have to pay a visit to the chemist for some eye wash and ear wax removal lotion. This will do for me. Cant't wait to see everyone having to suck LibDem nonsense; see how long that lasts. And in any case, it's all inevitable, the BNP will hardly be affected - UKIP will pull in votes from very different people, but all in all things really can 'only get better'.

28 November 2009 13:17  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

Lord Pearson is reported as saying:

“This is the only language David Cameron understands. I don’t know how many seats we will actually win but the point is how many can we deny the other parties, principally the Tories. I hope we will cost them at least 50 seats — we may be able to force a hung Parliament, which is what I want. The political class says we must have the smack of firm government — well, that’s rubbish. I want UKIP to gum up the present political system completely so the monkeys can’t make any laws which we don’t want.”

Even if he were to achieve this parliamentary stalemate, the grey mouse and his army of rats in Brussels will go on imposing their laws which we don't want.
Is UKIP really likely to end up with enough clout to force an in/out referendum? I don't see how this strategy helps.
A significant number of seats is necessary for change. UKIP need to push hard not only against the EU but also against Islamo-fascism whilst at the same time encouraging integration to rebuild a British mono-culture and combat the instability caused by fragmentation into multiculturalism.

28 November 2009 13:32  
Anonymous jeremy hyatt said...

'The election of Malcolm, the Lord Pearson Rannoch to the leadership of the United Kingdom Independence Party is no trivial matter'.

Yes it is...

28 November 2009 13:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'll vote for him (and i was going to vote conservative).

28 November 2009 14:26  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

From the horses mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3pnkxZ-rQU

28 November 2009 14:27  
Blogger David said...

In these hopeless and totally depressing times it does ones heart good to read an article such as this. I was beginning to think that the good Lord had turned his back on us. A glimmer of hope...

Guru-Murphy is a despicable little weasel, incapable of chairing an intelligent debate other than in his typically snide and deregatory left-wing manner.

Farage did a good enough job but UKIP needed to go to the next level. I wasn't sure there for a minute but UKIP will definitely get my vote with Lord Pearson at the helm.

28 November 2009 14:48  
Blogger John said...

I see him as the beginning of the end of UKIP, he will appeal to the very far right, but Ukip will not go forward with this man.

28 November 2009 14:49  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Your Grace speaks as one who has every intention of ticking the UKIP box next May. May I humbly submit, Your Grace, that this is a temptation to be resisted, as it will tend to split the Tory vote and return a Labour government once again.

28 November 2009 15:18  
Anonymous Brian E. said...

He is right in hoping for a hung parliament. It will make the Tories aware of where all their votes have gone in a situation where by all normal rules they should get a huge majority.
Under these circumstances a new Tory leader will re-think the situation concerning the EU and probably come to an agreement with UKIP.
I will vote UKIP simply because my No 1 priority is to get out of the EU. To me this rates far higher than solving the economic crisis, schools or NHS, and even if the Tories convince me that they would be better in these areas, they offer me absolutely nothing in the area of my greatest concern.

28 November 2009 15:21  
Blogger Ben Stevenson said...

Archbishop Cranmer: "Lord Pearson has seen the face of God, and been anointed a prophet: he is a man with a mission"

No, he has not seen the face of God.

This is what the Times reports about his religious views:

"What does Heaven look like? “It’s total lightness and goodness and warmth and the absolutely opposite of the dark and the cold and the destructive. The powerful impression that came through at the end was that God, the numinous, call it what you will — the supreme source of light and creativity — was sad because it was losing against the opposite, which is the diabolic and the dark.”

He knew that he had to fight against the dark side. “I take on the Christians because they believe that God must inevitably win. My instruction was different, that he’s not necessarily going to win, as far as this planet is concerned, anyway, and if you look at our planet today it isn’t obvious that he is winning.”"



He has had some form of religious experience. But he has not met the God of the Bible. God is sovereign and in control of history, and not in danger of having his will thwarted.

"At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.

35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: "What have you done?"" -- Daniel 4:34-35

28 November 2009 16:08  
Anonymous Political-Oxygen said...

This is the New Beginning for our nation!

28 November 2009 16:22  
Anonymous Voyger said...

You, like the vast majority of the UK voters have come to expect a 'performance' from our wonderful cast of lying hypocritical bastards that grace the stage of Westminster.

You presume to know what I want and link me to the vast majority of UK voters . Your career as a psychic has come to an ignominious end. Failed and failure.

I expect any political leader ro be able to carve up Guru-Murthy and serve him to the audience in slices. I am probably too used to Margaret Thatcher or Enoch Powell or Ian Paisley, who would entertain the viewing public by eviscerating interviewers of this ilke. Ann Coulter did a super job of destroying Paxman...but British politicians are wet and feminised

28 November 2009 16:24  
Anonymous Bag Lady said...

what? no ramblings from D.Singh? and where is idiotmouth?

28 November 2009 16:43  
Anonymous Mike Stallard said...

One swallow doesn't make a summer.
OK, this man may be the Messiah. But the rest of his party are nonentities. Also the swine in the European gravy boat aren't going to smile patiently on someone who empties it, are they.
The Conservatives have a team of players who can understand politics because they have all been at it, through thick and thin, for some years now.
Me, I am going to give the Conservatives just one more chance: I don't want my country to go bust like Dubai.

28 November 2009 17:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Me, I am going to give the Conservatives just one more chance: I don't want my country to go bust like Dubai."

Too late mate !

28 November 2009 17:12  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

Voyager

Carved - Slices - served up - Question Time - Feminised.

28 November 2009 18:32  
Anonymous Fox in sox said...

In the event of a hung parliament the price of lib dem support would be PR. The liberals incidentally propose an in/out referendum, though will campaign for in.

PR would mean that both conservative and labour would only be able to form a government by coalition. It would almost certainly put UKIP, greens and BNP in parliament. Possibly an Islamic party also. Interesting prospect!

While all this was going on the economy would slide into the hands of the IMF because of Sterling Crises and Bond strikes. Markets hate uncertainty.

Perhaps it would be the best outcome, albeit rather uncomfortable...

28 November 2009 18:45  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Your Grace, Lord Pearson sounds like a man I could happily vote for so I hope his appointment as UKIP leader enables that party to gain momentum.

28 November 2009 19:05  
Blogger Preacher said...

An interesting response to this blog Your Grace almost a 50/50 split for & against. One thing for sure is that Lord Pearson has upped the anti a considerable amount, especially with the support for the Conservatives falling in the latest polls, it's possible that Mr Cameron's dismal response to the ratification of the Lisbon farce is responsible for this, he had the chance to show himself a strong & capable potential P.M, but fell at the first fence. Up until then it was a foregone conclusion that NuLabour was terminally sick & on the way out.
The build up for the election will be interesting & revealing about the mettle of all the party leaders & could spring a surprise. Close scrutiny over the next few months & at the hustings is essential to our future. For now, it's to early to tell.

28 November 2009 19:39  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Thank God. I don't have to vote BNP now.

28 November 2009 20:23  
Anonymous Political-Oxygen said...

Goodness me it has gone quiet in here today all of a sudden.

28 November 2009 23:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a conservative (small c).I would love to see labour win the next election, and be saddled with the task of cleaning up their own mess,instead of, like Margeret Thatcher,reaping the hate for doing what had to be done.
The trouble is that they have bankrupted the country NOW and are completely in denial about it, as are all the other parties (David Cameron's proposed cuts won't even scrath the current account defecit, let alone reduce the national debt-it is out of control!)
So don't listen to the old red herring that if you vote x instead of y you let b in.
Bring some honesty back into politcs and vote for those who's policies you agree with.
And when the major parties realise that they can't take you for granted(even less insult you with like "turnip taliban")
They will start listening

29 November 2009 00:38  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Thank God. I don't have to vote BNP now.

I feel your pain.

How did we ever allow things to get so bad?

Answer; It really is NOT our fault.

This because we don't know who the enemy actually is, partly because not enough have bothered to find out, but mainly because our entire WORLDS MSM especially the BBC, have shown that they can not be trusted in any possible way, to give us so much as the tiniest of clues.

The enemy is INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM/Communism. However knowing this is not enough. We have to understand the perfectly awful reality that the prime movers of international socialism are indeed the owners of The IMF, and the rest of the Global Financial System. In short World Corporate Capitalism. Better known as FASCISM, or indeed NAZISM.

The reality is we are our own worst enemies. Or put a better way, our own religious, scientific, political, financial, and aristocratic class have always been the sworn enemies of there own people, and that of the world.

The brutal fact is that the owners of the international financial system not only have long since had the power to start all wars/conflicts and economic disasters, they have actually done so as a matter of historical FACT. Felling very sick indeed? You certainly should be.

However hold the sick bag for a moment, for there is worse to come. They are the ONLY people who have long since had the power to STOP all wars/conflicts and economic disasters, yet they often choose not to do so, or ONLY do so at a time of their specific choosing.

Therefore World Peace is a satanic term for WORLD DICTATORSHIP, and the carrot that drives the often well meaning brain dead Donkeys in parliament that are said to represent us.

Any serious attempt to challenge the absolute power of Church, state and finance, working hand in glove, will either dismally fail, or be eventually eliminated. In much the same way as JFK, Smith, Cook, and Kelly, most surly were. Our establishment using its MI6 contacts within The IRA, tried to permanently silence Thatcher, along with her growing resistance to the establishments EU/New World Order. When Thatcher was eventually stabbed in the back, she knew very well who had done the deed. Which was plainly Kenneth Clark, his associates, and there Builderberg bosses.

Lord Pearson is either a very brave, highly principled, suicidally inclined, and unselfishly courageous nut-case, like myself. Or he is yet another establishment stooge in the Nick Griffin, George Bush, Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and David Cameron mode. I have no way of knowing for sure at this early stage, but I strongly suspect the later.

The establishment have not only always controlled the given agenda, they also have always controlled both sides of the political spectrum, and therefore the debate, and therefore the ultimate outcome.

Please be reminded that just because one is clearly as paranoid as paranoid gets. Does not in any way mean the utter bastards are not out to get the lot of us. The truth is they truly ARE out to get us ALL, and doing a mighty fine job at doing so.

I repeat in the vain expectation that ANYONE will properly understand what the true implications are.

If you do not know your enemy, you have not got a cat in hells chance of defeating them. What is worse, very little chance now, even if you do know. Our only hope is that maybe, just maybe, if we finally enlighten ourselves enough, they might stop being able to take the utter piss, quite so much, or quite so often one gloriously wonderful day in the distant future.

29 November 2009 01:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Stevenson @16:08...

If God is sovereign and in control of history, why did you bother questioning Pearson's religious views? Surely God doesn't need your help. Why Does Cranmer write this blog? Why are there ministers and preachers? Why doesn't God just do away with all religious human interaction and give us the end state now?

29 November 2009 01:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following is not meant as a criticism but a comment: the EU has "1 million voter" clauses, but some "localities" (&regions & interreg & totalplace/project & indect etc) and thus some "local" issues (the EU and EU-philes have been in my opinion manipulative here in their governing & increasing power & divide-and-rule-type structures & funding tools) have less than 1 million voters. If any adjustment are needed, I hope they will be made as well as getting rid of/adjusting some parts of govt & incl. police training etc/authorities/quangos/mechanisms introduced apparently for "good" but in effect undermining local and national sovereignty including voter accoutability through elections,transparency, availablility of info etc.

29 November 2009 01:28  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Anonymous 29 November 2009 00:38

Has to be good advice, after all what indeed do we have left to lose?

Nothing whatsoever worth the having IMO.

A Conservative government can now only end up becoming a government of national unity, after a few years of utter disaster, at a time when there is NO effective British nation left to unify.

It is GONE, it is NO MORE, it has gone to join the choir invisible, it is a DEAD nation. Just because our viciously dishonest, and highly controlled MSM, have not been allowed to inform us that this is indeed the case, does not in anyway make it not so.

I have been a life time Conservative Party voter and activist since 1978. I have no intention of voting for anyone ever again. Which is just as well, as reasonably soon I will not be able, or allowed to anyway.

29 November 2009 01:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Stevenson
I don't know if the Times was reporting Lord Pearson's current theology or previous thoughts.
Some in the New Testament only knew John's baptism (in ?Acts) & needed help. God also reached out to God-fearing Jews in Acts who did not yet know about the Gospel, & to the Ethiopian reading Isaiah 53.
What is Lord Pearson's current theology?
We know from God's word that He is in control, but also that what happens & how & to whom depends somewhat on whether individuals, churches & nations repent. We know that God will triumph & that there will be a New heaven & earth. We know events of Revelations will happen, but as Christians we should not help any evil & should oppose it. Likewise 1984 (not scripture) is a warning, not a "go do it". Lord Pearson may have been influenced by daois/taoist New Age philosophy. I was, and god had mercy on me - it took a while - and He honoured my seeking Him. Our docrines are affected by all our past & cultures, & people grow. God will win, but it is also true as Spurgeon said "pray as if it depends on God, act as if it depends on man". I also like what John McArthur said about God's sovereignty & man's free will - they are parallel lines which meet in infinity,; we humans cannot see how or where they meet, unlike God who alone is omniscient & omni-wise. God does use people. Having suffered some of the stuff in revelation because of a strange set of personal circumstances, I do not wish that on Christians or non-Christians. It will happen, but I hope I never promote it or get used to help the coming onslought of evil & suffering. I don't agree with the "God is in control even in suffering & heaven will come so dow here doesn't matter" attitude. Our Lord wept. James says suffering matters despite God's sovereignty. Look at the prophets - which of them said God is in control so just let it happen or that evil including suffering is just to be submitted to in a "robot" fashion, as if God is not compassionate to the suffering. He is the defender of the orphan & widow, even those who will go to heaven, & in James there are believes who have faith but are in deep affliction (James 1:27 - thlipsis). Our Lord despised the shame of the cross, enduring it for the sake of what it would mean. He didn't jsut say God the father is in control, so bring it on. God made us in human bodies.
I hope that Lord Pearson has heard & embraced the gospel if his theology has not changed since 1997, which is a long time ago. I know some of mine has. I would be interested in knowing his current thoughts on God, because as you say, core theology is important for Christians, and "bilical" prophets know core theology. More importantly because our Lord Jesus was crucified for Lord Pearson's wrongdoings (as much as for mine and others'), and I hope he to gains the full blessings of heaven & undersatnding which helps life down here "on earth". He has had veiled threats, and I will be praying for his protection & that of his loved ones. I know of some of the suffering that brings.
Maybe his Grace was using prophet in a political way.

29 November 2009 02:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Stevenson * corrected *
I don't know if the Times was reporting Lord Pearson's current theology or previous thoughts.
Some in the New Testament only knew John's baptism (in ?Acts) & needed help. God also reached out to God-fearing Jews in Acts who did not yet know about the Gospel, & to the Ethiopian reading Isaiah 53. Genuine visions can be misinterpreted in some details because of mis-theology and there are also false visions which do not come from the real God of the bible. Lord Pearson was not an Chrsitian Pastor. But as Christians we are called to be discerning & test everyhting against Scripture. God will win. But opposing evil(as & how one is called to do so personally including fighting it or sometimes turning the cheek or fleeing) also matters.
What is Lord Pearson's current theology?
We know from God's word that He is in control, but also that what happens & how & to whom depends somewhat on whether individuals, churches & nations repent. We know that God will triumph & that there will be a New heaven & earth. We know events of Revelations will happen, but as Christians we should not help any evil & should oppose it. Likewise 1984 (not scripture) is a warning, not a "go do it". Lord Pearson may have been influenced by daois/taoist New Age philosophy. I was, and god had mercy on me - it took a while - and He honoured my seeking Him. Our docrines are affected by all our past & cultures, & people grow. God will win, but it is also true as Spurgeon said "pray as if it depends on God, act as if it depends on man". I also like what John McArthur said about God's sovereignty & man's free will - they are parallel lines which meet in infinity,; we humans cannot see how or where they meet, unlike God who alone is omniscient & omni-wise. God does use people. Having suffered some of the stuff in revelation because of a strange set of personal circumstances, I do not wish that on Christians or non-Christians. It will happen, but I hope I never promote it or get used to help the coming onslought of evil & suffering. I don't agree with the "God is in control even in suffering & heaven will come so dow here doesn't matter" attitude. Our Lord wept. James says suffering matters despite God's sovereignty. Look at the prophets - which of them said God is in control so just let it happen or that evil including suffering is just to be submitted to in a "robot" fashion, as if God is not compassionate to the suffering. He is the defender of the orphan & widow, even those who will NOT go to heaven, & in James there are believes who have faith but are in deep affliction (James 1:27 - thlipsis). Our Lord despised the shame of the cross, enduring it for the sake of what it would mean. He didn't just say God the father is in control, so bring it on. God made us in human bodies.
I hope that Lord Pearson has heard & embraced the gospel if his theology has not changed since 1997, which is a long time ago. I know some of mine has. I would be interested in knowing his current thoughts on God, because as you say, core theology is important for Christians, and "bilical" prophets know core theology. More importantly because our Lord Jesus was crucified for Lord Pearson's wrongdoings (as much as for mine and others'), and I hope he to gains the full blessings of heaven & undersatnding which helps life down here "on earth". He has had veiled threats, and I will be praying for his protection & that of his loved ones. I know of some of the suffering that brings.
Maybe his Grace was using prophet in a political way.

29 November 2009 02:55  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mike Stallard @ 17.10, doing some window shopping away from John Redwood's blog? Now if only JR could be persuaded to defect from Dave's crew to UKIP!

The way things are JR will always be playing second fiddle to the Boy George when in fact JR should be the next Chancellor of the Exchequer. He has the integrity and ability to fix up Brown's mess. One can imagine the Boy George ringing Mandelson for advice if the Conservatives actually get a majority.

29 November 2009 07:06  
Anonymous Tabatha said...

If he's actually going to speak out against Islamification, he gets my vote. Immigration is the huge pink elephant in the room that none of the other parties will address - which is why we now have people supporting the BNP, G-d help us.

29 November 2009 10:02  
Anonymous non mouse said...

We need a party and a leader that will tell the euSSR to get out - nothing they say or do has any legitimacy here.
After that, we can set about sorting the rest of the mess.

If Lord Pearson looks able do that, he'll get my vote. However, he needs to produce the publicity and rhetoric that will waken people to legitimate action against our invaders and enemies.

So the first red flag for me is the metaphorical hanging of Parliament -- when one priority is to cleanse that Augean Stable of the liars, cheats and scam artists who want us to believe they have caught us in a trap. The trap is made up of their lies and illusions, however. So the trap itself needs deconstructing....
Since when was an agreement valid when it was not clearly presented to the people who had to keep the agreement?

And the makers of that trap - the people who have set themselves up as 'elect' [=elite]: well they aren't, are they? Rather, they echo Milton's Satan: the higher that demon pretended he was, the lower he had fallen.

So if Lord Pearson can cleanse our vision and lead us to independence from these illusionists ~~ then he's the man I'll follow.

29 November 2009 15:42  
Anonymous IanCad said...

I'm afraid we have degenerated to such a degree that only a Cromwell can be of help now.
Lord Pearson may be an upright and dignified patriot but force of personality is what we need in these jaded times.

29 November 2009 17:07  
Blogger Ben Stevenson said...

Anonymous: "If God is sovereign and in control of history, why did you bother questioning Pearson's religious views? Surely God doesn't need your help. Why Does Cranmer write this blog? Why are there ministers and preachers? Why doesn't God just do away with all religious human interaction and give us the end state now?"

God is in control. Human actions are not outside of God's control, but they still matter. God uses means to bring about his desired ends. For example, God planned Jesus' death for the salvation of sinners. But this was brought about through the sinful actions of human beings, over which God was in control.


"Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen." -- Acts 4:27-28

God wants the gospel to spread, but he has ordained that it will spread through people preaching it.

The Bible teaches both the sovereignty of God, and the fact that people make genuine choices for which they are held accountable.

As historical creeds has put it:

"God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree." -- 2nd London Baptist Confession, 1689

29 November 2009 20:43  
Blogger Ben Stevenson said...

Anonymous: "I don't agree with the "God is in control even in suffering & heaven will come so dow here doesn't matter" attitude."

I agree that what happens here matters.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter said about Jesus:

"This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." -- Acts 2:23-24

Jesus' death was within God's sovereign plan - it was necessary to save sinners. But that in no way makes the suffering he endured trivial or unimportant - indeed this passage speaks of "the agony of death".

God's sovereignty does not minimise suffering, but it gives us hope that there is an all-wise and loving God who is in control, who we can put our trust in.

29 November 2009 20:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Stevenson
I agree with what you say. The reason I said what I said was becaus I do not know what Lord Peasron thinks now about his vision, & it was reported in a secular newspaper, and I don't know the beliefs of the reporter. And some quotes are old, & I would hope that Lord Pearson would find Jesus if he has not.
I agree with you about suffering and sovereigny as a Christian, but there are a lot of people (not necessarily yourself, and thankyou for responding) who are Pharisees in the churches, who quote such scriptures but when people are suffereing they don't know good old-fashioned compassion with dignity & help. They send people to our lord, as they should; though it is true we in a sense only need our lord in times of trouble, yet even our Lord in Gethsemane begged the disciples to pray and be with Him (though He was God), and He wept with compassion when he knew Lazarus would be raised from the dead, & He spent time with & compforted and helped those suffering.
There have been over the last many years dispicable things done by national "Christian" politicians in various countries, and generally little has been said about it by Christians, including mistreatement of some Moslems. While we do need to warn about discernment, yet also remember some dignity. I am personally tired of having to fend off in churches Pharisees & liberals & wierd-stuff. It is sometimes safer to be with the Lord & reading His word & praying. I choose to follow Christ & am therefore against Islam, and as a member of society against any extremeist elementsw in Islam or elswhere. Having said that, as a Christian, to mistreat Moslems is to misrepresent Jesus who wants them to come to know Him and be saved. To mistreat the "poor" as has always happened, including in churches, and includig by over-spiritualising suffering & leaving those who suffer and are often alone and powerless - in effect orphans, widow & widowers, "strangers" ie those not networked in including immigrants, those without effective families etc - dishonors God. I hope that Lord Pearson comes to know the Lord, if he has not already. This is a public forum, & I felt that you might have added words that lent to his dignity more in the situation (and I need to remember the same).
Re suffering, many in Britain & America who have not been poor have not been tested to the point where they are more gentle to the suffering rather than being legalistic & harsh ("pull up your socks" etc.). I thank God for those in the church who are generally holistically Christ-like in their attitude to the afflicted, whatevver the nature of the the affliction, but there is a lot of un-Christlike legalism around. A lot of people don't notice the suffering, maybe because they haven't or have always had people (as well as the Lord) around in times of affliction. We all need to repent so much.

30 November 2009 02:14  

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