Friday, March 26, 2010

Conservatives will shun the Muslim Council of Britain

The Times observes that a Conservative government (if…) would cut links with the leading representative of the Muslim Council of Britain.

David Cameron said that his party ‘won’t do formal things’ with the Muslim Council of Britain unless the organisation distanced itself from Daud Abdullah, its deputy secretary-general.

So they will do informal things?

Cocktails (halal) on the Commons terrace?

Invite them to an Eid celebration, perhaps?

Labour rightly and properly severed all ties with the MCB a year ago after Mr Abdullah (along with 90 other Muslim leaders) put his name to the ‘Istanbul Declaration’ which supports the right of the Palestinian people ‘to resist the ongoing illegal and brutal occupation of their land’. The declaration includes the statement that ‘foreign warships in Muslim waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza’ was a declaration of war.

It was written ‘In the name of Allah the Most-merciful the All-merciful’, of course.

Considering that the Royal Navy is present in those waters precisely to prevent smuggling of arms to Gaza, Dr Abdullah's support for the declaration was not only controversial and provocative; it was a betrayal: encouraging foreign nationals to attack the Royal Navy is treason.

And so the plucky, principled little chipmunk Hazel Blears severed its links with the organisation.

Astonishingly, in January of this year, without any contrition by Mr Abdullah or a change of heart by the MCB, Labour restored full diplomatic relations.

But that was under the aegis of John Denham, who is neither plucky nor principled. Mr Denham moved to mend the broken relationship because ‘the government no longer wishes all UK Muslims to be viewed through the prism of terrorism and the security threat’.

It was, of course, nothing at all to do with the imminent General Election.

The Times quotes Mr Cameron as saying: “We should have a very positive relationship with the Muslim community and representatives of the Muslim community. There are other representative bodies. We would be fully engaged with them.”

This is very promising indeed.

One gets the distinct impression that the lucid observations and wise counsel of Paul Goodman have been heeded, and that Conservative Government policy towards the MCB might at last be put into some sort of perspective.

The real nature of the MCB is a world apart from that which it presents to the media. Its spokesmen are always polite, always placating, always pleading for understanding of their piety and sincerity. But the organisation is not liberal, and it does not in any sense represent the mainstream voice of Muslim Britain, despite the confession that it does.

One hears their apologies for their boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day; they express regret about the persecution of Sir Salman Rushdie; they talk of their desire to integrate with ‘British culture’. But they then carry on regardless. Their boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day has become an annual event; Sir Salman receives no encouragement with an MCB assertion of the right of freedom of expression; and social integration is to be on their terms. Dr Abdullah was neither sacked nor asked to resign as a result of his outrageous incitement against Her Majesty’s Armed Forces, and no statement was forthcoming which made it clear that he opposed extremism.

There is nothing ‘moderate’ about this group, and those true democrats and moderates who are content to operate under its aegis ought to ask themselves how the organisation can be so vulnerable to penetration by extremists at the highest level.

The MCB has been around since 1997 and purports to represent about 800 Muslim organisations in the UK, making it the self-declared ‘most representative Muslim body in the UK’. That David Cameron has now promised to sideline them in favour of other representative bodies is one of the most significant social policy announcements to emerge during this interminable pre-General Election period.

And (doubtless to Mr Dale’s delight) the plucky little chipmunk will have been vindicated.


Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Maybe this will make it easier for us to integrate into the muslim way of life.Why ,though can not any party engage with English community leaders,could it be because we do not exist?

26 March 2010 at 08:37  
Anonymous Trencherbone said...

How long before we hear the magic words 'Community Cohesion' from the lips of Mr Cameron or his spin-doctors? And how much jizya will a Conservative government be willing to pay in pursuit of this elusive goal?

26 March 2010 at 08:57  
Blogger srizals said...

What is Israel to the West? I don't recall reading any treaties or defense arrangements between Israel and Britain. Or is it hidden in some binoculars or certain parts of a rifle, like on trijicon's scope. Some countries need to sign a defense pact to have never ending helping hands that are too shy to question anything for having done such gross error in the past, like say, exterminating the Jews.

26 March 2010 at 09:01  
Blogger English Viking said...

Surprise, surprise, cuddly Dave comes over all sensible in the 4 weeks before a Hung Parliament.

If he was a great man, he would have the guts to propose measure placing severe restriction on this awful 'faith'. Don't hold your breath; the outcome of so many marginal seats are now at the mercy of the muslim bloc that he would not say boo to a halal goose.

For the uninitiated who might have wondered why prominent muslim 'community leaders' have an annoying tendency to say one thing when they do something entirely different, check out the link. It's me religion, init?

26 March 2010 at 09:10  
Anonymous I Albion said...

Quite right ENGLISHMAN,all three parties would like England ,to just not exist,when have you heard any one of them mention England? "Britain" or "our country"even when they are only talking about England.Traitors the lot of them!

26 March 2010 at 09:11  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

If Muslims want a voice let them form a political party and subject their “representation” to the will of the electorate. In the meantime the government of whatever hue should not give any credibility to a self appointed group like the MCB.

26 March 2010 at 09:14  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

'...But that was under the aegis of John Denham, who is neither plucky nor principled...'

Nor a chipmunk.

26 March 2010 at 09:18  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The Muslim Council of Britain isn't a council and it certainly isn't British!

26 March 2010 at 09:25  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

Graham (Davis) I do not normally agree with your posts, usually on faith related matters, but your point is spot on.
Let all Moslems form their own political parties if they have something to say - the ballot box will ensure the hearing they think they are entitled to.
It is not even certain that the MCB is truly representative of all, or even a majority of Moslems in the UK.

26 March 2010 at 10:00  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

The Muslims won't form a Party as it would not get power at this time, so they infiltrate and influence the main parties instead. All this talk about them though won't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that if we carry on like we are, the Muslims will hold the whip hand within 30 years, then look out. When this happens, we will have deserved it for being so weak.

26 March 2010 at 10:10  
OpenID yokel said...

Do we know if there is a relationship between the Muslim Council of Britain and the Muslim Brotherhood? I ask because their equivalent in the USA (known as CAIR - the Council on American Islamic Relations) is widely known as a Brotherhood body. The Brotherhood is illegal in Egypt (among other Islamic countries), and that can't be because they espouse a "Religion of Peace" and democracy!

Does anyone have the skills to go digging?

26 March 2010 at 10:19  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Mr Cameron has not excluded informal links to the MCB. Labour has re-established formal links: both parties wanting to keep the MCB locked into the political process. For once you are locked in one’s purity sooner or later is sullied through accommodations and compromises. However, that might be a modern day superstition; as you point you the MCB makes pronouncements in public but carries on with its historic agendum.

Cameron met with the Archbishop of Canterbury and attempted to persuade His Grace to modernise the Church of England; just like the (new) Conservative Party (particularly on the issues of sex). Cameron would not dare suggest that to the MCB.

But the Church of England has been modernising and the Conservative Party has just caught up (detoxification).

It’s a pity that Cameron did not learn the lesson that the modern shallow, hollow and empty church projects. Compromise, accommodate and abandon identity, and you lose members and support.

Still, the present leaders of the Church of England and the Conservative Party will soon be shown the door.

26 March 2010 at 10:24  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

I think this statement endorses the view of many British people who believe that nothing substantial is likely to change if Dave and his Chums do make it to be first past the post.

The MCB represents so they say 800 Muslim organisations - why so many and this is just the non-democratically elected MCB! - Why give then any preferential status at all? Individual immigrants have come here to presumably find a better life and greater opportunity for the prospects of their children – that should be enough to be given to anyone from any host country.

It has been said by more informed people than my self, that our nation state is sleepwalking into a nightmare of multicultural moral equivalence where alien religious affiliation or culture is given greater prominence than the individual identity of the indigenous population.

There is nothing conservative about the Conservative Party; why else would UKIP and the BNP worry them so much. The Labour Party has lost the support of white working class voters. The traditional and (now) ageing core voting Conservatives must be wringing their hands in despair as they watch the state-instigated changing face of Britain and the continuing rise of British multiculty politics.

Yet Dave still thinks that by ignoring the elephant in the room and concentrating on being culturally blind, he will be acceptable in the ghettos of East London, Birmingham, Lancashire and Yorkshire.

There are massive, almost impossible to reverse issues to be faced in this Country and modern politics had failed an electorate that deserve better.

26 March 2010 at 10:32  
Blogger Noorul said...

Archbishop Cranmer writes: "Considering that the Royal Navy is present in those waters precisely to prevent smuggling of arms to Gaza, Dr Abdullah's support for the declaration was not only controversial and provocative; it was a betrayal: encouraging foreign nationals to attack the Royal Navy is treason."

Just after Daud Abdullah signed the Istanbul declaration the MCB released the following statement on its website:

"In response to recent media reports about the Gaza Declaration in Istanbul, the Muslim Council of Britain wishes to make clear that it in no way supports the targeting or killing of British soldiers anywhere in the world. This is the agreed position of all MCB Office Bearers without exception including the MCB's Central Working Committee. As an independent community organisation, the MCB is committed to faithfully representing the views of all our affiliates. As such we reaffirm the right under international law of the Palestinian people to resist the ongoing illegal and brutal occupation of their land.”

Then he writes: "Astonishingly, in January of this year, without any contrition by Mr Abdullah or a change of heart by the MCB, Labour restored full diplomatic relations."

John Denham's department has said: "The MCB has stated its categorical opposition to attacks on British defence interests and confirmed its unwavering support for British troops across the world. It has also made clear that it stands firmly against antisemitism and other forms of racism.....The MCB.....have made clear to us that Daud Abdullah signed the statement in question in a personal capacity."

I then read on the blog: "Dr Abdullah was neither sacked nor asked to resign as a result of his outrageous incitement against Her Majesty’s Armed Forces, and no statement was forthcoming which made it clear that he opposed extremism." What incitement? Abdullah has said: "I did not and do not condone calls for attacks on British troops.....The British government has not deployed troops to the territorial waters of Gaza and I do not believe it or our parliament would endorse any breach of international law. Any discussions about what should or would happen is hypothetical and I cannot speculate." And, the fact is, the Istanbul declaration was just a pathetic document that should have just been consigned to the dustbin of history.

I would like to make a few more points. We are not a totalitarian state and whom the MCB chooses as its office-holders is none of the government's business. If Abdullah had incited any form of violence against Britain's armed forces, then there is a simple remedy open to the government: to prosecute him in a British court. There was no prosecution because there were no grounds for one.

The Archbishop states: "The MCB has been around since 1997 and purports to represent about 800 Muslim organisations in the UK". No. It purports to represent about 500. Also, does he know that the MCB is actually a tiny organisation run by volunteers and doesn't have the power to police the views of its disparate membership. The MCB actually has little influence amongst British Muslims. I don't have anything to do with the organisation and I, personally, know few Muslims who pay much attention to it.

In my last email exchange with Archbishop Cranmer he asked me to post my opinions within the conversation thread in order that they may be challenged. Please challenge.

26 March 2010 at 11:22  
Blogger D. Singh said...

From The Observer 8 March 2009
Dr Daud Abdullah, deputy director-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, is facing calls for his resignation, after it emerged that he is one of 90 Muslim leaders from around the world who have signed a public declaration in support of Hamas and military action.
Abdullah, who led the MCB's boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day, was a member of the Mosques and Imams National Advisory Board, the body endorsed by the government that trains imams and was set up to curtail the activities of extremist clerics. In January, he briefed the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, and communities secretary Hazel Blears on the situation in Gaza and its likely impact on social cohesion in the UK.
There were calls last night for the government and the MCB to condemn Abdullah's actions. "The British government should stop funding organisations such as the MCB and supporting events such as Islam Expo, which hosts scholars from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan who hold extremist views," said Irfan Al Alawi, international director of the Centre for Islamic Pluralism.
"If the MCB is serious about tackling extremism, it should immediately expel extremists such as Daud Abdullah from its own ranks," said Ed Husain, co-director of the Quilliam Foundation, a counter-extremism thinktank. "The man is a fanatic."
Abdullah's name appears as a signatory to a declaration in Istanbul last month that describes Israel's recent military campaign as "the manifest victory which Allah has granted us in the land of Gaza". It opposes the "so-called Arab peace initiative" and the Palestinian Authority and issues a series of obligations to the "Islamic Nation", calling on it to "carry on with the jihad and resistance against the occupier until the liberation of all Palestine".
Obligation six declares that Muslims must seek to open the crossings in Palestine so that "money, clothing, food, medicine, weapons and other essentials" can enter Gaza and Palestinians "are able to live and perform the jihad in the way of Allah Almighty".
It warns: "The closure of the crossings, or the prevention of the entry of weapons through them, should be regarded as high treason in the Islamic Nation, and clear support for the Zionist enemy."
The most contentious obligation instructs Muslims to attack foreign navies. In January, Gordon Brown offered Royal Navy resources to help monitor events in Gaza and to stop weapons being smuggled into the territory.
But, according to the Istanbul declaration, there is an obligation for "the Islamic Nation to regard the sending of foreign warships into Muslim waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza, as a declaration of war, a new occupation, sinful aggression, and a clear violation of the sovereignty of the Nation". It continues: "This must be rejected and fought by all means and ways."
Husain accused Abdullah of "betraying the Palestinian people". He added: "As well as potentially endorsing terrorism against British troops, Abdullah shows total disregard for human life."
A spokesman for the MCB, which says it speaks for about 400 mosques and Muslim organisations, declined to comment. Abdullah did not respond to repeated requests for an interview. …
A spokeswoman for the Department of Communities and Local Government said: "We are aware of the conference held in Istanbul last month and are very concerned that the statement from the event calls for direct support for acts of violence in the Middle East and beyond. We are also aware that a senior member of the MCB may have been a signatory to this statement. If it is proven that the individual concerned had been a signatory, we would expect [the MCB] to ask him to resign and to confirm its opposition to acts of violent extremism."

26 March 2010 at 11:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blah blah blah. Nevermind all this "severing diplomatic relations" horseplay. How much does the MCB get in taxpayers' money, is the real question.

26 March 2010 at 12:09  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

I personally severed relations with them years ago. Why all the dithering?

26 March 2010 at 12:30  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

The trouble in store for you Noorul, is that the British and European public, if not its politicians, is awake to your insidious cult and its long term objectives.

You rather arrogantly and officiously state ”…whom the MCB chooses as its office-holders is none of the government's business... “
That’s where you are wrong. It is governments concern when organisations like the MCB act as ‘reasonable’ fronts for all kinds of malevolent practices with but one aim, to infiltrate the British State’s conscience by stealth.

You go on to state:-
…does he (His Grace) know that the MCB is actually a tiny organisation run by volunteers and doesn't have the power to police the views of its disparate membership. The MCB actually has little influence amongst British Muslims…

Your avin a Larf aintcha if you think you get away with crap like this.

You know quite well that once a mosque is established it will, through its trustees provide facilities to engage politically in order to extend Islamic influence. It really doesn’t stack up to claim they have little influence, why else would they be formulated if not to establish a political power base.

Only last year a we had a Muslim Peer claiming to be able to mobilise thousands of protestors to descend on Parliament if Geert Wilder’s a democratically elected European MP's short film ‘Fitna’ was show

If one steps back and views Islam and its myriad organisations and ‘charities’ around Europe we can see how these bodies link to a world wide movement dedicated to re-establishing the lost Caliphate; and when did that have anything to do with Western democracy or democracy at all.

This is typical of Islamic preaching the tactic of taqiyya which we know is the Arabic word for dissimulation. In reality it means concealment of Islamic doctrines in order to gain influence and deceive so-called "enemies of Islam".

MCB Chairman is Abdul Bari is also the leading light at the East London Mosque, infamous for it’s past record of tolerance and facilitation of platforms for extremist preachers like the internationally proscribed Al Awlaki and Al Quaradawi.

Leopards can no more change their spots than can Islam can distance itself from the worst excesses of Koranic obligation: it won’t be the moderate Muslims who will fight for Western freedom, the Ummah will see to that.

Curse the day we welcomed them to the UK

26 March 2010 at 13:58  
Blogger I am Stan said...

Your Grace,

Of course the perfect solution,just ignore everyone who does not agree with you and the nasty men will go away!

26 March 2010 at 14:24  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Formed in 1997 , how erm very conveient for labour.

26 March 2010 at 14:29  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

If only Dave was a real British patriot unencumbered by political correctness he might heed the evidence of history and advice from his betters.

Sir Winston Churchill on Islam

A Quote here from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill in which he describes Moslems [Muslims] based in part on first-hand observations during Kitchener’s campaign in the Sudan:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

(The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50) London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899

26 March 2010 at 14:42  
Anonymous It's faith, stupid said...


The Istanbul declaration is not a "pathetic document". It is a declaration of war against Israel and against any country that would seek to prevent the total annihilation of Israel by the "Islamic Nation":

"7. The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard everyone standing with the Zionist entity, whether countries, institutions or individuals, as providing a substantial contribution to the crimes and brutality of this entity; the position towards him is the same as towards this usurping entity."

That would include the UK.

26 March 2010 at 14:42  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Bravo English Viking! Et tu Yokel:
the 'Muslim Brotherhood' is as Rome; an awful lot of roads lead there! Unfortunately, we have our own historic links there too, having dabbled with them for divers purposes. However, these and other alliances are detailed, for all to find; just prime your search-engine accordingly. It won't take too long to discern a bevy of relationships that will make your hair stand on end....or will they; don't we already suspect the answer? However, details always serve to stiffen the whatsits....

26 March 2010 at 16:43  
Blogger English Viking said...


Nice to see that you are alive to the danger, unlike so many others.

Bravo yourself.

26 March 2010 at 17:12  
Anonymous len said...

The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.

The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.

(The Labour part which sold its soul a long time ago is going for any voter it can lay its hands on, regardless.

26 March 2010 at 20:04  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Len...the muslims know this too! Some time ago there was a U-Tube exert taken from the 'Muslim Council of Britain' conference...the very subject being, the take-over of Britain. Some muslim geezer was kindly explaining to an appreciative audience, what all good muslim families should do to achieve this situation, and just how long it would take!

I shall have a trawl-through, and see if I can locate the exert.

26 March 2010 at 21:18  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

If your figures are correct in wont take that long for the invasion to be completed.You ( the minority) will all be thrown into shackles.The prisons will be so overcrowded that you might with luck get deported to Australia.They say history repeats itself.

27 March 2010 at 07:07  
Anonymous len said...

I for one wouldn`t mind being deported to Australia the weather here(in the UK) has been pretty foul.

27 March 2010 at 07:43  
Blogger srizals said...

History will repeat itself on idiots. Christian Imperialism, bringing the free human spirits to their knees. I wish I could cancel the word before Imperialism like Cranmer, but he is more advance than me and Sydneysider, please reconsider your suggestion. Think of your happy aborigines. Deport them all to Singapore instead, may I recommend Pedra Bianca?

27 March 2010 at 17:14  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

The only part of your incoherent post that makes some sense is your
accusation of the British being idiots.Misguided idiots allowing your fecund cohorts to infiltrate their country and repay their kindeness with a bomb.No wonder you are all busting a gut to get to England and putting yourselves at enormous risk to do so. See a French movie called 'Welcome' and observe how the French treat your lot.I'm not surprised you're having a laugh!

28 March 2010 at 12:48  
Blogger srizals said...

sydneysider said...British being idiots. Misguided idiots allowing...

Now who's calling them idiot? Another idiot?

30 March 2010 at 17:23  
Blogger adrian said...

Is it time Yet

31 March 2010 at 03:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's time to make peace. Before judgement day.

1 April 2010 at 06:42  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Adrian this was great.Thankyou.

1 April 2010 at 13:39  

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