Sunday, May 09, 2010

Cardinal Schönborn to be the next Pope?

According to The Times, there is now 'open warfare' in the Vatican after Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, the Archbishop of Vienna, accused former Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano of having blocked investigations into sex abuse crimes committed by his predecessor, the late Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer. The BBC confirms the Roman Catholic civil war, quoting Cardinal Schönborn as saying: "I can still very clearly remember the moment when Cardinal Ratzinger sadly told me that the other camp had asserted itself."

This is interesting for a number of reasons:

Firstly, Cardinal Schönborn is a former theology pupil of Pope Benedict and a close ally. He has praised Pope Benedict for having pushed for sex abuse inquiries when he was Cardinal and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He said that 'others' however had stopped John Paul II from taking action, adding 'the days of cover up are over'.

Secondly, Cardinal Schönborn is Austrian and a front-runner to succeed Pope Benedict. There is a certain eurocentric neatness in a Polish pope followed by a German pope followed by an Austrian pope.

Thirdly, there is a cetain religio-political fulfilment for those who are persuaded by the prophecy that the next pope will be the last: the House of Habsburg is best known for being the origin of all of the formally-elected Holy Roman Emperors over the centuries. From 1278 to 1918, the Habsburgs reigned over a territory that grew from a small section of Austria along the Danube, into the 16th century realm of Charles V who boasted that 'The sun never sets on my domain'.

Otto Von Habsburg was an MEP until 1999. He is the 'uncrowned emperor' and widely considered the visionary architect of a reunified Europe and continues a thousand-year legacy of Catholic political leadership. Archduke Otto fulfilled the quintessentially Habsburg role as defender of the Pope when John Paul II visited Strasbourg to address the European Parliament in 1988. He had barely begun to speak when the Rev. Ian Paisley jumped to his feet and denounced the Pope as the anti-Christ, while unfurling a banner proclaiming the same message. In an instant, Otto von Habsburg was on his feet to grab the banner from Dr Paisley's hand and, with several others, escorting him out of the chamber.

Archduke Otto renounced the headship of the House of Habsburg to his eldest son Karl (Archduke of Austria, Prince Royal of Hungary and Bohemia), who is also a former MEP and now first in the line of succession to the Austro-Hungarian throne: he is the de facto regent of Germany.

Since 1974, Karl Von Habsburg has been actively involved in the Pan European Movement in Austria. He is considered an expert on minority rights for the Christian Democratic Group (EPP).

He is tipped as a future Austrian chancellor.

An Austrian pope presiding over the 'coronation' of a Habsburg.

Wouldn't that be neat?


Blogger Arden Forester said...

"now first in the line of succession to the Austro-Hungarian throne: he is the de facto regent of Germany".

He can get himself a good housekeeper when he finally takes over for good!

9 May 2010 at 22:06  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

As an English Catholic, I hope that this is not so. I long to live in the country into which I was born. These power-crazies are not what I want. Catholicism nothwithstanding. Why don't the wicked ever go away?

9 May 2010 at 22:07  
Blogger English Viking said...

A potential Chancellor. From Austria. With Pan European designs. With Catholic backing.

Where have I heard this before?

9 May 2010 at 22:22  
Anonymous not a machine said...

One currency , one anthem , one church ?

Special British day to be allowed to passify us , cheorograped from brussels.

Not so fast matey .

9 May 2010 at 23:09  
Anonymous Lumberjack said...

The Church is in trouble. The sex scandals of Europe and South America will be hugely expensive, and send a lot of congregants into other Churches or into private devotion.

Of course, She's been in trouble before, but the difference is that there are many other Churches for people to choose from now.

If the Pope wants to reinvigorate the Church, he must do away with a celibate priesthood. Paul told us that two millennia ago.

9 May 2010 at 23:22  
Anonymous len said...

The Roman empire is being re-build by stealth in Europe. After the defeat of European fascism by the allied powers of Britain, Russia and the USA, we are now witnessing one further attempt to achieve the goal of reviving the Roman Empire through the European Union. Once again spiritual power is located in Rome and economic power in Germany. Since World War II each Pope has thrown his weight behind moves towards the creation of a supra-national European Union.
We are seeing the U K being undermined politically and spiritually in preparation for total submission to a Roman Catholic dominated European Superstate.

9 May 2010 at 23:33  
Anonymous no nonny said...

"Wouldn't that be neat?" Oh yes, Your Grace. As unadulterated as any Chainge wrought by an alchemist!

Yes too, Len (@23:33). And, of course, those nasty bits of parchment are hidden in some vault in Rome.

A few weeks ago, someone asked me, about an aspect of British culture, "What happens if you take Christianity out of the equation?"
I couldn't say; but maybe, firstly, it depends on what you mean by Christianity?

And doesn't that relate closely to definitions of Love?

10 May 2010 at 00:56  
Anonymous no nonny said...

no further comment... wv: orful!!!

10 May 2010 at 00:58  
Blogger isaac said...

Regent of Germany? Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia and head of the House of Hohenzollern might have something to say about that.

10 May 2010 at 03:37  
Anonymous Adrian Peirson said...

I don't understand the whole picture, but it's fair to say there is design behind everything that is going on and has been going on for decades.

10 May 2010 at 03:39  
Blogger gresham58 said...

Isn't there a saying that "he who goes into the conclave a pope comes out a cardinal"

10 May 2010 at 04:52  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Titles were abolished in n
Austria and Germany in 1919. It was not until recently that members of the Hapsburg family could even have Austrian passports. The ludicrous German trick of including "von" in the name to circumvent the ban on titles is fatuous but it is the only way Otto von Hapsburg ever existed.

Until he renounced any claims to the Austrian throne in 1963 he could not enter Austria

10 May 2010 at 06:54  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

I thought the choice of the next Pope was obvious.

Tony Blair

Under the banner of New Catholicism he could drag the organisation kicking and screaming into the 13th century. He could update the bible as he did the Labour constitution by abandoning Clause IV (the Old Testament), adopt a new theme tune (Things Can Only Get Better-well they can’t get worse), implement a new dress code by replacing the dress with leather jacket and jeans (Bush style), restore the lucrative business of selling indulgences under the brand name i-sin and finally by appointing Philippa Stroud as director of the Catholic Paedophile Reorientation Unit.

Once these reforms are in place then Pope Tony can do what he is really good at, that is, invading a Muslim country, Iran may make a nice change.

10 May 2010 at 09:41  
Blogger OurSally said...

Actually we Germans might have a problem with resuscitating the house of Hapsburg. (In fact Germans react rather violently against the idea of leaders coming from Austria, however wise and benign this one might be.) Unlike the Brits, the Germans have got rid of aristocratic rule and don't want it back.

Otto should stay in politics, politics is the new aristocracy.

10 May 2010 at 12:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for Karl being tipped as future Austrian chancellor, think again. Absurd.

10 May 2010 at 14:48  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Our Sally.....just a small point, but wasn't it a wee 'Corporal' that did so much to stem the power of your German Junkers?

Our 'aristos' succumbed to a fiendish plot called 'inheritance tax' .... admittedly not so exciting, but very, very effective!

10 May 2010 at 20:03  
Anonymous Dave J. said...

"...he is the de facto regent of Germany"

De facto there is no regent of Germany, as Germany is a republic. I think Your Grace means de jure.

"I thought the choice of the next Pope was obvious.

Tony Blair"

Suicide may be a sin, but sometimes particular thoughts make it sound not so bad.

11 May 2010 at 03:53  
Blogger Aquilifer said...

"An Austrian pope presiding over the 'coronation' of a Habsburg.

Wouldn't that be neat?"

No doubt--although the idea, or something like it, has been around for at least a few decades.

11 May 2010 at 09:25  
Anonymous Anura Guruge said...

Dear, blue-blood, outspoken, Cardinal Schönborn was my #8 pick when I compiled my papabili list last year. []
In my opinion his chances diminish daily.
When I was compiling my papabili list Europe wasn't that embroiled in the clergy scandal disaster. But, even then, I pushed for a Latin American pope.
Based, on the disastrous year that European prelates have had, I am even more convinced that the electors will go outside Europe.
Anura Guruge
Papal historian and author

15 May 2010 at 18:12  
Anonymous David M. Wagner said...

It will be Cardinal Peter Turkson, from Ghana, recently appointed by B16 as president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, in Rome.

17 May 2010 at 15:31  
Blogger Benton H Marder said...

If I recall aright, one of Graf Christoph's predecessors was Archbishop of Mainz, which meant that he was Chancellor of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.
As we say here in the States, "What goes around, comes around".
Now, my people come from Schwaebisch-Oesterreich. This sort of thing wouldn't bother me all that much. After all, 'democracy' is fast bringing all Europe into a state of Islamic insolvency.
Heaven protect us all.


23 May 2010 at 16:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no it's not doomsday, nor is it the second coming of the anti-christ. There will be wars and executions and martyrdom of the saints. There will be catastrophic events such as the world has ever known, men's hearts will grow cold and the Holy Father will have much to suffer. These will take place way before the end of time. What is it worth if a man gains the world and loses his own soul... "it is better that scandals arise then the secret be revealed.,the third secret of Fatima. in Portugal the dogma of faith is safe?

24 March 2011 at 14:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not nice to redicule the vicar of the Catholic church, nor is it right to judge others also. To the measure you apply to others the same shall be applied to you.

24 March 2011 at 15:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who are you jehovah witnesses and protestants to tell me that my church is the second coming of the anti-christ, that makes me much less of a hypocrite then that means you are not allowed to worship my sabbath days,not allowed to enter my church,not allowed to celebrate my christmas,not allowed to take my communion,not allowed to celebrate my easter,not allowed to read my catholic bibles,not allowed to pray my rosary, not allowed allowed worship my pentecost, not allowed to marry in my church,not allowed to celebrate my thanksgiving,..etc.and especially not allowed to follow my days of observance.I know you are treacherous spies,who secretly are in search of the third secret of the Fatima. that is also a catholic tradition, which you will never understand in one hour because it doesn't exist in your family tradition.because you have no family tradition.

24 March 2011 at 16:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What exactly is the second coming of the anti-christ? That is left for the Vatican and the entire Catholic church to know it's because it's the way us Christians live, our tradition and our morals. That is why it's called The Third Secret of Fatima."in Portugal the dogma of Faith is safe' The words of Sister Lucy to Pope John Paul 11. Tuy Spain 1957 in variuos apparitions like that in Mount Carmel.Our Lady appeared to Lucy again and showed her a vision of hell "see the place where poor sinners go, because there's no one to pray for them" Mount Carmel of course is Mount Sinai where Moses saw the burning bush.

24 March 2011 at 21:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you can read this, read it at home and it keep it to yourself."for those who has an extra tunic must give it to him who has none.and to him who has an extra dollar must give it to another who has nothing. For there will be wars, catastrophies and earthquakes and signs in the HEAVENS,famines,floods such as men has never seen before since the very beginning of time.And in those days men's hearts will grow cold,there will be dancing and partying.and giving birth to babes. Pray that this hour the great tribulation doesn't happen on a cold winters day or on a sabbath.

24 March 2011 at 21:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

through lies,wild deception and freedom of the press and the americans, russians, chinese, albanians, germans, poles, filippinos etc...having double crossed and betrayed the council of trent.The u.n. and new world religions have rewritten the HOLY BOOK remanufactured the truth. thereby selling to the public a false doctrine to over 50 countries making money the freedom of american of american expression.

25 March 2011 at 22:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Long live the Habsburgs! If Otto had been Emperor, Austrian would never have been annexed during the War, not treated it's Jews so appallingly.

21 April 2011 at 14:01  
Blogger Antal Dániel said...

Habsburgs are not so welcome in Austria (nor Hungary). Very difficult to imagine one winning an election (sic!). Actully one of them ran for MEP in Hungary with little success. An Austrian pope? I guess it is also unlikely. His Grace is too far from Central Europe

23 April 2011 at 23:11  

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