Thursday, August 09, 2012

Why does TfL (and Boris) tolerate anti-Israel anti-Semitism?


Would Boris permit these advertisements to appear on London's buses, especially during the Olympic Games? No? Perhaps they are a little too much in-your-face, and somewhat insensitive during the 40th anniversary of the Munich massacre. But TfL have approved this advertisement for Al-Quds Day, which amounts to the same thing (just not so in-your-face):


The moment the Mayor of London stepped in to censor the perfectly legal advertisements of Anglican Mainstream for their alleged 'homophobia', there was a danger of his intervention being perceived as personal disapprobation, and any future inaction as tacit endorsement of a campaign. Boris said of the Anglican Mainstream advertisements: "London is one of the most tolerant cities in the world and intolerant of intolerance. It is clearly offensive to suggest that being gay is an illness that someone recovers from and I am not prepared to have that suggestion driven around London on our buses."

Perhaps so. But is it not just as 'clearly offensive' to advertise an Islamist day of fanatical celebration which opposes a homeland for the Jewish people (ie Zionism) as well as Israel's control of Jerusalem? Al-Quds Day was inaugurated by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, who declared the liberation of Jerusalem a religious duty to all Muslims (ie Jihad). It is celebrated fervently by Hezbollah, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad Movement, who are a little more extreme than Anglican Mainstream.

Yet here we are, with TfL promoting a manifestly anti-Semitic event, and Boris endorsing it through inertia and silence. For His Grace, he is all for such freedom of expression: it is his judgment that society is all the better for such vigorous expressions being permitted and crushed through sound argument. Freedom reigns while people spout their views, so he stands foursquare with Lord Justice Sedley, who championed the rights of people to express such views, quoting Socrates and two famous Quakers in doing so. There is no breach of the peace if what is said is merely offensive. He said: “Free speech includes not only the offensive, but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative, providing it does not tend to provoke violence.”

But Boris has a problem because he set a precedent: the official position of TfL in its acceptance of advertising is that it is intolerant of the intolerant. Yet the Islamic Human Rights Commission gladly entertains Islamists who spout such incitement as this:
This ummah needs a ruler who will stand up for Islam. Who will unite us behind Qur’an. Who will follow the words of the prophet and who will send an army. The army of Egypt is not the army of Egypt. The army of Iran is not the army of Iran. The army of Jordan is not the army of Jordan. These are the armies of Islam. These are the armies of the Muslim ummah. These are the armies that have to move. Takbir! Takbir! Takbir!

...Yes, give your charity, may Allah accept it. Yes, make duaa (prayer) for the Palestinians, may Allah accept it. But you have to call, you have to demand, you have to march, that the Muslim armies, they have to disobey their orders. The Muslim armies in Egypt, Jordan and Syria, they have to disobey their presidents and these puppets of the West. They have to move across the borders. They have to liberate Gaza. They have to liberate Palestine, the whole of the land again. Takbir! Takbir! Takbir!
This sounds pretty intolerant to His Grace. You can get further details over at Harry's Place.

His Grace decided to write to Aiden Dunning, Director of Legal and Business Affairs, and to Mike Hemmings, head of Marketing. He received this response:
Thank you for your email regarding the Islamic Human Rights Commission campaign.

CBS Outdoor UK sought advice from the Committee of Advertising Practice and the advert complies with Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) guidelines and does not breach any UK ad regulations.

If you wish to make a formal complaint regarding the campaign, please contact the ASA directly.

Advertising Standards Authority
Mid City Place
71 High Holborn
London
WC1V 6QT

Tel: 020 7492 2222

http://www.asa.org.uk/

The ASA will confirm receipt of the complaint and advise you on how it will be proceeding.

Thank you for taking the time to contact CBS Outdoor UK

Regards

Nigel McDonald
Head of Sales Administration
Well, as readers and communicants will know, His Grace isn't overly fond of the ASA, and has zero confidence in the impartiality of their judgment. So he responded to Mr McDonald thus:
Dear Mr McDonald,

With respect, this isn't a matter for the ASA but for you.

A few months ago you pulled (at very short notice) the perfectly legal advertising campaign by a Christian group who happen to believe that homosexuality might be cured.

It was (and is) undoubtledly the case that 'the Committee of Advertising Practice and the advert complie(d) with Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) guidelines and (did) not breach any UK ad regulations'.

Please could you explain why TfL permits the promotion of a manifestly anti-Semitic event but not that which is deemed to constitute 'homophobia'?

Yours sincerely,

++Cranmer
His Grace has received no further response, hence this post (of which they were given due notice). If anyone wishes to take this up with the ASA, His Grace would be (mildly) interested to hear how you get on. In the meantime, Nigel McDonald can be contacted at Nigel.McDonald@cbsoutdoor.co.uk.

46 Comments:

Blogger Youthpasta said...

I would assume a standard response, such as Your Grace received, and then silence. It is sad to see, yet it is even sadder that this could have been predicted. On the one hand politicians across the country pander to Muslim interests for votes and various other things at every possible opportunity, yet they seek to hammer the Church for all they are worth with the other. It is a disgracefully biased way of things, but sadly it shows no sign of change.

9 August 2012 09:51  
Blogger monkey for sale said...

Islam is an affront to human rights.

When will so-called liberals realise that Islam is a menace.

9 August 2012 10:21  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

I'm unclear what you're saying here Cranmer; if it was wrong to object to the Christian group having an opinion, then it must be wrong to object to the Muslim group having an opinion. On the other hand, if it is wrong to allow the Muslim opinion to be posted on the sides of the buses, then surely it was right to censor the Christians' opinion. Which way do you stand for?

Oh, and if you are in an answering mood, perhaps you could finally settle that question that every Zionist dodges like he's dancing on a hotplate, how do we separate the Jewish "right to a homeland" from the murderous theft of the Palestinian homeland?

9 August 2012 11:35  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Corrigan,

1. I think the gist was that HG was in favour of freedom of speech, thus was protesting the injustice of allowing one campaign but not the other

2. If you truly see the troubles in the holy land as simply as the murderous theft of the Palestinian homeland then you need to study history a little more. I've always noted that when the Zionists make claims they back it up with evidence and clear and rational reasoning. When the 'Palestinians' make claims, they are generalised, inflammatory and hopelessly emotional.

3. Palestinians have a homeland; it's called Jordan and they are ethnically the same people. That their own people won't accept them is not Israel's problem and it's no justification to talk about eradicating the Jewish people. They want the West Bank only because they know it would make Israel indefensible.

9 August 2012 11:55  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Bore-igan on an on an on

'I'm unclear what you're saying here Cranmer;' whereas non rc's are perfectly clear on what Rome' s intentions are and yours in it's defence!

It appears the 'adopted' root grafted in to God's promise thinks it's the real root?

Wonder what our 'Jewish Messiah' thinks about your stance..the problem with the pharisee's etc and those that thought having the Torah, circumcision and being descendents of Abraham somehow made them believers in Christ's eyes is completely lost on you fleshly lot, is it not!

Here is Rome's true intentions regarding Israel as it's natural enemy, using whatever deceit and subterfuge is required.

Expose: Catholics Label Rachel's Tomb a Mosque

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11853#.UCOV1vWfFtw

Enjoy

E S Blofeld

9 August 2012 12:04  
Blogger Elby the Beserk said...

"Islamic Human Rights" in fact means - Sharia Law. If you think not, take an hour off and watch this extraordinary presentation by a top USA Security bod (who lost his job for suggesting to an Obama cuddling up to the Muslim Brotherhood that it might not be a good idea)

sheikyermami.com/2012/07/14/major-john-coughlin-the-organization-of-islamic-cooperation-and-its-role-in-enforcing-islamic-law/

9 August 2012 12:35  
Blogger Elby the Beserk said...

Corrigan,

Not familiar with the word "hypocrisy" then?

9 August 2012 12:36  
Blogger John Magee said...

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.

9 August 2012 13:18  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Lakester, did you read what you wrote before you posted it, or is racialism the wallpaper of your house?

9 August 2012 13:39  
Blogger Berserker said...

Who are the Palestinians?

Are they from the seven nations of Canaan?

They were not liked by God who recommended their 'forced destruction'.

Seems that nobody apart from a few liberal nutters likes then now. Certainly not the other Arab States.

And were they not worse off under the Ottomans? Who stole their (the peasants) land and appropriated the land for themselves and absent Arab landlords. The Turks were more hated than the present day Israelis.

The Canaanite Goddesses? Brutal, evil and incredibly savage. Anath... smites the people of the shore... destroys mankind of the sunrise and lots of other atrocities which fills her heart with joy.

No wonder the command was to exterminate the Cannans.

I think the Sunni Muslims in the Gaza strip would be rather lost without the opportunities for work in Israel.

9 August 2012 15:03  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

“Perhaps so. But is it not just as 'clearly offensive' to advertise an Islamist day of fanatical celebration which opposes a homeland for the Jewish people (ie Zionism) as well as Israel's control of Jerusalem? Al-Quds Day was inaugurated by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, who declared the liberation of Jerusalem a religious duty to all Muslims (ie Jihad). It is celebrated fervently by Hezbollah, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad Movement, who are a little more extreme than Anglican Mainstream.”

What on earth is our government doing authorising such a “celebration” here let alone allowing it to be advertised? We are not and Islamic country and how many nutters will a fest like this attract and fuel? It is totally incompatible with the Anglican Mainstream even at its most fervent!
We are supposed to be helping foreigners integrate and assimilate not encouraging them to take up arms against us. This goes beyond freedom of speech and expression, it's stirring up hatred, We should not allow our country to be used as a stage for two warring factions to make threats to each other. (the Jews can be just as bad but in a different way)

They should all have to go to our Christian festivals or get out.

9 August 2012 15:14  
Blogger non mouse said...

Such strange spelling; should it be Kwuds? Anyway, who is/was this Al whatever it is?

9 August 2012 16:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Hmmm. The young are introduced to Islamic hate from an early age, what !

9 August 2012 17:28  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Do you know what, I am English. My family have lived here since way before history was written down. I love my country, but despise the politicians who run it. Nobody asked me if I wanted mass immigration from the Indian sub-continent, Europe or wherever: nobody asked me if I wanted Sharia Law, no-go areas and the sort of equality legislation which puts people like me at the bottom of the heap. I loath anti-semiticism because my father and his contemporaries fough the Nazis, saw the death camps, and believe strongly that Jews deserve a homeland, and that homeland is Israel. I am angry at the way things have gone and the way things are going, but because I am white, male and well-educated i am seen as irrelevant or beyond the pale. So...where do I go? what do I do? Is it me?

9 August 2012 21:23  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Stone the crows Mrs Proudie, one had you down as a gentlewoman. How long have you been cross-dressing ?

9 August 2012 21:35  
Blogger Juniper in the Desert said...

Corrigan can't tell the difference between calling for another holocaust on the Jewish people, and a mild suggestion that gays could change their habits.
If all speech is allowed, then I am permitted to call for the discovery and killing of Corrigan, without Corrigan reporting me to the police.

9 August 2012 21:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One is now of the opinion that the Islam people deserve nothing. Their cruel beliefs and way of life preclude them from accommodation, literally...

9 August 2012 22:10  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

If parlaiment where not full of zionists, maybe our country would not have been flooded with this shower of shit

9 August 2012 22:13  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

You are indeed allowed to call for my discovery and execution, Juniper. A liberal state should absolutely uphold your right to call for that, although not, we need hardly say, if to do so would cause me, ahem, hurt and offence.

9 August 2012 22:22  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

If any one should make a complaint and kick up a fuss, it should at least come from within the Jewish Lobby first - I don't understand why don't they excersise their right to speak freely and challenge these malignant shit stirers.

9 August 2012 22:50  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

From the old Soviet era -

A journalist interviews a Russian, a Pole and and Israeli. To the Russian he says, "Excuse me, what is your opinion of the bread shortage?" The Russian answers, "What does 'opinion' mean?". To the Pole he says, "Excuse me, what is your opinion of the bread shortage?" The Pole says, "What does 'bread' mean?". Finally, to the Israeli he says, "Excuse me, what is your opinion of the bread shortage?" The Israeli says, "What does 'excuse me' mean?"

9 August 2012 22:53  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Corrigan,

What exactly did I say that was racialist?

9 August 2012 23:19  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Corrigan wrote:

"What does 'excuse me' mean?"

He must have forgotten to turn on the 'hide the anti-Semitism' filter.

carl

9 August 2012 23:31  
Blogger David B said...

There is a lot to cover here, both from the Original Post, and the comments.

If I read him right, and I know from his written statements and his toleration of dissent here, freedom of speech is high on his list of moral desiderata, as it is on mine.

But he seems to me to be saying that what is sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander, and I concur.

@ youthpasta

There should be a level playing field, IMV, for the proponents of all religions, and for those who say a plague on all your houses. The views expressed by all need to be judged on their merits or otherwise.

@ Monkey

This liberal is well aware of the evils of Islam, especially of militant, political Islam.

Which is why my favourite good cause is the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain.

It is not right, though, to tar all Muslims, or all Jews, with the same brush.

A recent worldwide poll says that 74% of Muslims regard themselves as religious, which gives a pretty large minority who don't.

People from Islamic backgrounds who are not religious seems to me no threat to anyone, any more than the 68% of Jews who regard themselves as non religious.

@ Corrigan

There is no doubt in my mind that the people who inhabited that area of the middle east before the establishment of the Jewish state have had a very raw deal.

Nor is there any doubt in my mind that the injustices they have faced has made a significant difference in driving some culturally Islamic people into militant and/or political Islam and/or violent Islam.

@ ESB & Tiddles

I'm afraid the point of what you were trying to say, if in fact there was one, escapes me.

@ Elby

The rise of militant Islam and their attachment to Sharia law is indeed worrying, but comparatively recent.

It is not so long ago that prominent homosexual literati fled to countries like Morocco to escape the religiously led persecution of homosexuals in Europe.

Zionism has a lot to answer for.

@ Berserker

The God of the OT is hardly a bundle of joy, either,

That will do for now

David B

9 August 2012 23:32  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

A Cowardly IRA gunman held a gun in a man's back and said 'what are you a Catholic or a Protestant?' - the man said I'm a Jew - gunman said 'would that be a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?' 'neither' said the Jew' - seeing that the man was unarmed and sensing he may had been cunningly outwitted by the man, the cowardly IRA murderer shot him anyway - just to be sure; to be sure.

9 August 2012 23:38  
Blogger len said...

If advocating the destruction of the Jewish Nation is not promoting' racial hatred' then what would Boris call it?.

'London is one of the most tolerant Cities of the World'........... and apparently has a very short memory and a very selective tolerance factor!.

10 August 2012 00:20  
Blogger len said...

David B,
' The God of the OT is hardly a bundle of joy, either',


The God of the OT is the God of the NT.Two sides of the same person Judgement and mercy.Pre Christ and Post Christ.

I suppose you could say that Churchill was' very intolerant 'of Hitler, much the same way God is very intolerant of sin because it corrupts and destroys, much like a disease .Much of what the 'liberated man' desires as his freedom is in fact just leading him into greater bondage.God defines sin because man is so fallen and corrupted sin to him is his 'natural
condition'.Only One who stands outside the 'human condition' can see man as he truly is.

10 August 2012 00:30  
Blogger Owl said...

I sometimes think that if the anti Jewish/Israel lobby didn't have the Palestiniens, they would have to invent them in order to justify their perverse opinions.

10 August 2012 00:40  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Owl

Strange comment. Its the equivalent of saying:

If the protestants didn't have the Catholic Church, they would have to invent her in order to justify their perverse opinions.

Come to think of it ..... you may be on to something.

10 August 2012 01:36  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

"perverse opinions"

Protestants don't keep mummified corpses in vaults to be produced periodically for 'veneration.'. Neither do we carry around cadaverous body parts like magic talismen in hopes of producing a miracle. Be careful whom you call perverse.

carl

10 August 2012 03:32  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

For the same reason that TfL "tolerates" vile RC adverts showing religious torture and suffering (12 stations of cross averts on tube this year) ...
Because someone has PAID for the adverts.

And, yes, its all "offensive".

Make a better argument then, against this nonsesnse.
I must admit, having Netanyahu as PM does NOT help Isreal's cuse!

10 August 2012 08:25  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Tingey, you moron, the reference to the banned advert about homosexuality that HG referred to WAS paid for! The advert was then banned, seemingly with the help of Boris, because it was deemed offensive. The call is for a balanced playing field, not a selectively offended one that shows bias according to the political endorsements being sought from particular societal groups!

10 August 2012 08:57  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Boris is a world class hypocrite which is why I'll never have a problem not voting for any Tory party he might be the leader of. He is as unfit for national leadership as his master, iDave.

A plague on all their mansions!

10 August 2012 09:47  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

carl

Point taken but where would protestantism be without Catholicism. I mean, isn't it the one thing that unites them? That was what I was intending to draw attention to.

10 August 2012 14:24  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

What unites us?

Faith Alone. Grace Alone. Scripture Alone. Christ Alone. The Glory of God Alone.

Post Tenebras Lux

carl

11 August 2012 03:33  
Blogger len said...

Carl Jacob,

'Faith Alone. Grace Alone. Scripture Alone. Christ Alone. The Glory of God Alone.'

Amen to that!.

IF Catholics and Protestants could agree on these vital points alone we could have unity!.

11 August 2012 10:41  
Blogger len said...

The Catholic Church has made the claim to be exclusively' THE Church of God' and that salvation can be found nowhere else.

This(by its own admission)' shuts the door'to union with any other Christian groups.So people(including the Reformers who were formerly Catholic Priests) had no other option than to become 'Protestants' .
This exclusive claim by the Catholic Church is purely a move to control those within the folds of Catholicism and to make leaving the Catholic' fold'akin to committing 'spiritual suicide'.
This has done the Gospel of Jesus Christ immense harm and caused countless wars and persecutions of different Christian groups.
So Catholics oppose Protestants and Protestants oppose Catholics mostly on' interpretation' of Scripture and the addition of various 'traditions' not found in Scripture.
Catholics claim that they are the 'true Church and all others are 'imposters'likewise Protestants claim Catholics are following a 'heretical' religious system.

Would it not be a great service to the Gospel of Jesus Christ to unite behind 'Faith Alone. Grace Alone. Scripture Alone. Christ Alone. The Glory of God Alone.'and to promote Christ and not our 'religious denomination'.
If we got back to' basic Christianity' as laid out in the Bible( which after all is given for our edification) and cut out all the'additions ' on both side we could perhaps make some progress and do the most important thing which is to preach the Gospel to a dying World.
We should not cling to our 'traditions' if these are actually stopping the Gospel being preached and these' traditions' can actually be immensely counter productive.

11 August 2012 11:12  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

carl
"Dodo
What unites us?
Faith Alone. Grace Alone. Scripture Alone. Christ Alone. The Glory of God Alone.


Yes, maybe, but protestants barely agree what the first three concepts actually mean in praxis. The second two require an understanding of what God requires and therefore necessitates a sound understanding of faith, grace and scripture and the workings of the Holy Spirit.

Without the Catholic Church to rail against against protestantism would seperate even more than it is now.

"They have turned night into day, and after darkness I hope for light again."
(Job 17:12)

len
Now there's a 'compromise'. Catholics accepting the battle cry of the protestant reformation!

Why not write to the Pope and put the proposition to him. I promise, if the Magisterium accept it then I'll leave the Catholic Church.

You and carl may agree these 'in principle' and yet you are an ocean apart in terms of what they mean.

11 August 2012 12:06  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Judging by something he wrote a number of years ago about the people at the UN in New York eating schnitzel I would say Boris was a tad antisemtic.

12 August 2012 03:20  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

A couple of things.

First, to accept the Solas of the Reformation is what it means to be Protestant. They are definitional.

Second, the meanings of the Solas are precise. They aren't vague. I doubt very much that len and I are 'oceans apart' on the matters involved.

Third, there is much less spread in among Protestants than you imagine. I have told you this before. 'Protestant' does not encompass everyone in the category of 'not Roman Catholic.'

Fourth, unity among Protestants is not organizational. This is a distinctly Catholic conception. Denominations do not necessarily break unity.

carl

12 August 2012 05:09  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

To add to Carl's third and fourth points, don't forget Dodo that the Orthodox Church is neither of Rome nor Protestant.
Also, it should be said that the general way that splits within Protestantism have generally been over second order issues and process. Methodism, for example, came about as a result of the Wesleys preaching to a method that the CofE did not agree with. Hence the name! Baptists separated due to their view that baptism is a matter of choice, not something to be forced on a child who has no understanding of what's happening. Hence their name! The splits in the Anglican Communion are not over first order issues (though ECUSA are getting close) but over second order matters. They are still important, but they are nowhere near as schismatic as you seem to think they are.
Indeed, the times in history where the protestant church HAS had splits over first order issues it has led to the formation of a new religion (Mormonism and JWs, to name but 2) that has very definitely been seen by all protestantism as being no longer Christian.

12 August 2012 09:37  
Blogger Robert said...

If you were to walk beside these folks carrying a sign that said " Islam must be destroyed", would you be arrested first or beaten to death by Muslims first? That is the question for todays Britain. ( it is possible I suppose to be arrested by Muslim policeman and severely beaten in the bargain, but exclude that)

12 August 2012 18:07  
Blogger Minnie said...

Was going to comment but John Magee (9 August) has encapsulated perfectly what I wanted to express.
Have read the Harry's Place post & sent message of protest to CBS Outdoor.
Agree with YG about the ASA. As an ex adperson, I am afraid I wouldn't trust 'em to run a tap.

13 August 2012 11:24  
Blogger len said...

Dodo you are prepared to follow the Catholic Church but not to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit.

This says it all to me and makes your position perfectly clear!.

15 August 2012 20:13  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len

Back to your usual self rightous and judgemental self, I see. My, your resolution to avoid denominational conflict didn't last long.

By what authority dare you claim anyone is not responding to the call of the Holy Spirit? In my opinion, you are spiritually confused and thrashing around in a sea of uncertainty.

Physician, heal yourself!

16 August 2012 23:45  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

carl

Protestants are oceans apart in what they understand from scripture. Predestination and the process of justification and salvation, are but two examples. I mean, even within 'denominations' there is a lack of unity!

You are not seriously denying this, are you?

16 August 2012 23:50  

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