Saturday, November 10, 2012

Masonic paedomania

The whole country is drowning in a tidal wave of paedomania - everywhere you turn, there is intense speculation about which showbiz entertainers raped young girls in their dressing rooms; which 'senior Tories' were paedophiles; which chief constables conspired in a cover-up; which QCs discredited the victims; and which High Court judges suppressed crucial evidence. No10, Parliament, Church, the BBC and the Courts are all implicated: the great institutions of state and vital organs of democracy are tarnished by the drip-drip of innuendo: which pervert did what to which child and who knew..

On ITV this week the Prime Minister was ambushed with a little list of names trawled off the internet: that's Phillip Schofield's grasp of due process - 'a momentary, cursory glance at the internet'. He ought to hope that no-one messes with his Wikipedia entry to spread falsehoods and defamatory allegations about him, not least because he might lose his job over such scandal.

Labour's Tom Watson is doing his damnedest to sully the reputation of just about every Conservative minister who served under Margaret Thatcher. By talking nebulously of 'senior Tories' under parliamentary privilege, he knows full well what he's doing. When Home Secretary Theresa May announced the details of two inquiries, Watson had the temerity to accuse her of instituting 'the next stage of a cover-up'. Why doesn't he just give all his evidence to the police?

Speaking of cover-ups, Channel 4 news this week raised the spectre of a Masonic dimension to all this. How rivetingly conspiratorial is that! But it wouldn't be the first time that Freemasons have been in the firing line of a paedophile scandal - Thomas Hamilton, who murdered 16 children and their teacher in Dunblane in 1996, was a Mason. His MP, George (now Lord) Robertson, who allegedly supported Hamilton's gun licence, is a Mason. Investigating senior police officers were Masons. Is Lord Cullen, who conducted the inquiry into the tragedy, also a Mason? He is said to have 'Masonic connections' (which High Court judge doesn't?), and (mysteriously) all his findings are subject to a 100-year embargo.

In the case of the Bryn Estyn Children's Home and the inquiry presided over by retired High Court judge Sir Ronald Waterhouse QC, Channel 4 pointed out that a number of the accused were Masons, as were investigating North Wales police officers, as was the tribunal's leading counsel, as was the Judge... and we now learn that Waterhouse forbade the victims and the media to name any senior politicians or police officers in their witness testimonies.

As the paedomania spreads like manias do, the Prime Minister expressed concern to Phillip Schofield that he didn't want this turning into a 'witch-hunt' against prominent gay men (making uncomfortably explicit a correlation which no politician usually dare mention). Ought someone to leap to the defence of Freemasons? After all, dressed up in their aprons and regalia, concealed in their secret lodges, who knows what satanic rituals and perverted sex sacrifices are made?

88 Comments:

Blogger Bred in the bone said...

I had been wondering how you would deal with this matter YG and have to say, you have blown me away with this post

I have evidence of my own, as to the extent of disrepute within our justice system

Excellent post!

10 November 2012 11:16  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

A Catholic is forbidden, under threat of excommunication, to join Freemasonry. Thank Heavens for smallmercies!

A Mason does not a pervert make. However, the police are required to disclose membership of this 'club', so why not other public servants - judges, politicians and even members of the Anglican Church?

Whilst you may make light of Masonic rituals, membership of this group - who worship a god of their own construction - is inconsistent with Christianity.

10 November 2012 11:30  
Blogger graham wood said...

Cameron...."didn't want this turning into a 'witch-hunt' against prominent gay men"
I suspect that inadvertently Cameron let slip his real priority, i.e. any criticism of the "gay" community, and thereby his bias became clear.
The truth is whether the perpetrators of child abuse were "gay" or otherwise, they must be exposed, and justice brought to the criminals involved and their victims. Their sexual orientation is irrelevant.
That was all he needed to say.

10 November 2012 11:47  
Blogger Chris Miller said...

A very insightful post. Clearly there is suspicion pointed at masons and the nature of the organisation makes people suspicious. Certainly there were prosecutions, jailings, and changes in policy. But also some of the abused children gave inconsistent evidence which made naming some people unreliable. The lack of transparency in the inquiry makes us suspicious too, but the McAlpine episode demonstrates conclusively the dangers of circulating unreliable allegations.

I'm not a mason, and I believe some masons are bad people, but most are good people. In the same way, I'm not Catholic, and I believe that the abuse of children by some Catholic priests does not mean that all were complicit in the abuse or the cover-up. In fact, I have an affection/affiliation with the Catholic Church in the sense that my children go to a catholic school.

It is reasonably well known that the Catholic Church and masonry do not get on. For some reason a lot of people guessed that Jimmy Savile was a mason. He wasn't, but he was a Catholic, albeit perhaps not a "good Catholic".

Generalising smears are unfair and misleading, and we must remind ourselves than not all masons, Catholics, men, white people, politicians, social workers, councillors, judges and police are paedophiles. Anyone could be a paedophile.

Other than well-meaning erroneous assumptions, as you say, there's distasteful political point scoring too. It's not just conservatives who are under suspicion, despite what Tom Watson would have us believe. He tends to froth up anything that is anti right-wing: no criticism of Murdoch while he was supporting Labour. Barely a squeak against the BBC, no mention that Lord Owen signed Savile off at Broadmoor, and nothing about the Labour25. In fact, the latest post on Labour25 demonstrates that it is also wrong to assume that only men are paedophiles.

Generally, I hope that the public and media is getting to grips with the counter-intuitive concepts that occasionally, full transparency is incompatible with justice and online lynching can be unfair without reliable evidence.

10 November 2012 12:53  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

We may take three things from this post:

1) Cranmer is a mason;
2) Cranmer doesn't like it when the masons are villified and;
3) Cranmer now knows how it feels to be a Catholic.

Better late than never, Cranmer. We won't embarrass you by asking where you were when the Church was Paedophile Central.

10 November 2012 12:56  
Blogger non mouse said...

So then, Your Grace, marxist deconstruction isn't just about Demoralisation, Destabilisation, Crisis, and Normalisation-- in 4 separate stages.

Clearly, they keep on with the Demoralisation and Destabilisation all the way through, exacerbating Crisis to their greatest advantage. After all, if our institutions have always been so rotten as to be dysfunctional, it's way past time for Normalisation. Our British model must be replaced by superior foreign government, and ASAP.

Time was, methinks, that most adults and some unfortunate children knew the evil guff was going on. It is perpetual, after all; not for nothing have we recognised that "Power corrupts, [etc.]"

Most people took steps, however, to deal with the situations privately, and to protect themselves and their children. Thus if a boy said "No! Don't make me be a choirboy in that place," wise parents acted accordingly. If a girl complained about teacher(s) at school -- other girls, their parents, and everybody in town would hear about it... and that teacher had better watch out. That way, threat of exposure helped us keep some control over the situation, and we didn't sacrifice the whole system.

So now they trumpet and play it as "scandal" --- yet, ultimately, the "sin" will be one of hypocrisy. After all, the standards of homo****ality, early practice/"education," enforcement, and domination are precisely their own. Subhuman nature- cupiditas - hasn't changed since the Fall.

The novelty here lies in the nntrammeled and universal nature of the media "revelations." Before this, only the NOTW and its readership revelled in the info; the rest of us preferred not to know the details. Now, we have no choice; we too must be made filthy by enforced participation ... and by necrophilia!

For present purposes, then, the euSSR-philes can easily convince the young and multi-culti population of Britain that the hypocritical, lying, Christian British are "unacceptable" governors of what was once their own Archipelago.

It's very nearly over... unless there's the slightest chance that we can turn biophiliac and remember:
Charity Begins at Home.


10 November 2012 13:19  
Blogger non mouse said...

Sigh ... "untrammeled."

10 November 2012 13:23  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

I understand some Lord recently made a statement, regarding being defamed, to which Cameron reckons we should study what he has said

Folk up and down this Country have judgements handed out from courts, in which we can study what is being said

Basically, we are being told our folk can be shot dead, our women abused, children molested and nothing is going to be done

10 November 2012 13:56  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Meh. Sounds to me like nothing more than the typical behavior of those muck-raking, scum-sucking, scandal-mongering bottom-feeders otherwise known as journalists. They would skewer their own mothers for a headline.

Why btw is Free Masonry seen in Britain as such a dark force? It is almost invisible in the US, being the preserve of men in their 60's and up. I was recruited once, but refused to join because Masonry is a quasi-religion and therefore completely incompatible with the Christian faith. But I never thought of it as conspiratorial. Even so, it seems to have a much more negative Illuminati-like reputation in the UK. Not unlike Scientology.

carl

10 November 2012 14:12  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

non mouse

"Most people" in those halcyon days did not contemplate the sexual abuse of children.

In this green and pleasant land of yore, not all boys said "No! Don't make me be a choirboy in that place," nor innocent girls complain about teacher(s).

These revelations are not a threat to the whole system by Marxists - not unless the 'system' conspires to silence the truth.

Ah, but then: " ... the rest of us preferred not to know the details."

If that were ever true, then count me out of the "rest of us"

10 November 2012 14:18  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Carl

If Freemasonry is "almost invisible" in your country, then how do you know it is restricted to aged men and not conspiratorial? Not only is it a 'quasi-religion', it is anti-religion and I whole heartedly agree it is completely incompatible with the Christian faith.

Besides which, we know Jack the Ripper was a Mason! I've seen the movie. If only muck-raking journalists were around then.

10 November 2012 14:27  
Blogger Andy JS said...

Off/topic:

Looks like Romney is heading for 47%:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFp2dUlkNWlJeGN5NFUxa0F3cXpoLXc&pli=1#gid=0

10 November 2012 14:38  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

The only mason I know of is James. :(

10 November 2012 14:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

It’s little known that masons ran hospitals in this country when they were all charitable institutions. They continued in their role well after 1948. Personally, one has no problem with them, even though as an RC, this man would not be invited to join.

10 November 2012 15:24  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

The Dunblane shootings appear to be a cover up as does the investigation into Bryn Estyn.

Masonry could easily be a common thread as could Protestantism.

Secret societies certainly seem very popular amongst the upper echelons - the Scots were particularly famous for the Beggars Benison - all members of the Kirk to a man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beggar's_Benison.

10 November 2012 15:42  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

It is not so much the cover up we ought to be concerned with, as much as what is being waved blatently in our face

No law exists to say our folk can be shot, our women abused or our children molested

The judges can stand by their decisions but we are not going to stand for them

10 November 2012 16:18  
Blogger non mouse said...

Your Grace --- in case anyone else here should (deliberately or otherwise) misinterpret my earlier post, may I clarify that I did not suggest that "most [British] people" were ever directly involved in the situations under discussion. I indicated, rather, that members of local communities worked together to maintain the moral standing of the whole. I also gave examples of how they could accomplish that.

Further to the record, I still have neither time nor inclination for notw material, including bird posts. Unfortunately this one caught my eye before I saw it's label. I must not scroll from the most recent end of the list, it seems.



10 November 2012 16:19  
Blogger non mouse said...

Oh dear ... "its label."

Also wanted to add that I think bitb is right again.

10 November 2012 16:24  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

non mouse

For the benefit of others, as you will not read this, you have misunderstood my misunderstanding of your original post.

Of course most people were not
"directly involved in the situations under discussion", this subject being the sexual abuse of children and why it is and has always been so rife in this green and pleasant land.

My point was that in the good old days such behaviour was thought to be perpetrated by those who could be easily recognised and that children would speak up and be heard.

We now know differently, and have for decades, and, in part, this is because of journalists, Marxist or not, who have published the unthinkable.

There, now go back to your cheese, crackers and cup of Darjeeling as the world continues to circle the Sun.

10 November 2012 16:39  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Harry
Would that be the secret sex parties at Innergillie House Anstruther? It was a sex club thoughout the centuries, but the house and estate has fallen into disrepair since Lady Skiffington died.

10 November 2012 17:30  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

It is not incumbent upon me to show that an organization is not conspiratorial. Rather the accuser must present positive evidence of guilt. Absence of evidence is not evidence. Free-masonry may teach a spiritually corrupt version of works- righteousness, but where is the evidence that it is a criminally corrupt enterprise?

See, let's change just one word in this paragraph from ArchCran's original post and examine how people might react to the hypothetical situation it presents:

Thomas Hamilton, who murdered 16 children and their teacher in Dunblane in 1996, was a [Jew]. His MP, George (now Lord) Robertson, who allegedly supported Hamilton's gun licence, is a [Jew]. Investigating senior police officers were [Jews]. Lord Cullen, who conducted the inquiry into the tragedy, is a [Jew]. And (mysteriously) all findings are subject to a 100-year embargo.

And suddenly the whole paragraph sounds paranoid. I suspect you would immediately start checking the speaker's background for connections to the BNP.

Now if we were talking about the Jesuits, THEN you might have a case.

carl

10 November 2012 18:00  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

And suddenly the whole paragraph sounds paranoid.

Welcome to Corrigan World

10 November 2012 18:23  
Blogger Dave said...

After a tsunami of ink on the departed Savile and the second wave about to sluice, possibly, the establishment abusers, it seems convenient that the unfashionable and politically sensitive racial and religious abuse that has been embedded and ignored by; the social services,the police and worst of all the Church, to cool down just when the temperature was increasing.

10 November 2012 19:08  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

carl

Agreed; not the bit about the Jesuits as the 'evidence' is equally unsound.

However, if those in the very institutions charged with collecting evidence against Masons/Jews/Jesuits (police, senior politicians, judges, high ranking clergy) are members of the alleged conspiritorial society, then its unlikely to be in the public domain.

You're ex-military; you know how oaths, threats and secrecy work.

10 November 2012 19:35  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

You're ex-military; you know how oaths, threats and secrecy work.

I certainly understand oaths since I took an oath of office. I understand secrecy since my office gave me access to information that I was duty-bound to protect. I understand that the US Gov't had the authority to punish me for violating that oath within the limit of the Law - if that is what you mean by 'threat.'

The Masons may punish within the scope of their authority. Said authority does not extend to life, limb, or property. What they might do for a violation of the Masonic oath, I don't know. However, I have never seen any credible evidence that links a Masonic Lodge to a murder in the same way that the mafia is linked to a murder.

As for conspiracies, I generally assume they don't exist unless some proof is provided. Yes, a conspiracy will not register in the public domain. But the lack of a conspiracy will also not register in the public domain. The two observations are not distinguishable. My default position will therefore be "A lack of evidence indicates a lack of conspiracy." Otherwise, I shall wind up chasing phantom gunmen on the grassy knoll.

carl

10 November 2012 21:46  
Blogger John Magee said...

One of the greatest composers of all time and a Roman Catholic, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, was a Mason.

@Inspector

Here in the USA The Masons do a fantastic job building hospitals and treating people, free of charge, suffering from terrible illnesses or injuries. They are especally well know for the care their hospitals give to victims of severe burns and spinal cord injuries and the care of children.

Seems to me they are doing God's work.They never ask or get media attention for their good work as some of these media hyped Hollywood charity events do after a disasters. The we hear later most of the money they raise "vanishes".

My half brother is a Mason and several other realtives too. They are fine men devoted to their families and work hard in their careers. I've neber heard any of them speak ill of others of voice prejudices agaisnt any religion or people fo other races. They are far better people than I am.

There are a lot of church going Catholics and Protestants I know who can't compare to these Mason's self control and lack of gossip and stabbing people in the back.

As nuch as I think they can be admired I could never be a Mason because I think I would burst out laughing during their silly ceremonies. But that is my problem.

They are good people.

10 November 2012 22:27  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

carl said ...

"A lack of evidence indicates a lack of conspiracy."

I am inclined to agree with this as a default position and don't want to go all 'Atlas Shrugged'.

However, evidence may exist and be suppressed by those charged with collecting, evaluating and presenting it.

10 November 2012 22:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John, the socialists hate the masons because of their secrecy, or as this man would put it, the way they go about their work without publishing the fact. The socialists fear anything which is not of central government. You see, the socialists can CONTROL central government, but are feeble when it comes to non governmental organisations. There will be socialists reading this blog and one hopes they might fully appreciate what they have signed up for...


10 November 2012 23:34  
Blogger John Knox's lovechild said...

The Speculative Society at Edinburgh University is not masonic.

Cullen is not a mason by virtue of that membership, as has been suggested.

Cranmer is showing BBC standards of accuracy and care if that is his reason for naming Cullen here.

Masonry of course is a dangerous nonsense and the idea that there is a "secret", induction to which makes you a better man contradicts the truth that Christ suffices.

As a vehicle for back scratching it leads to corruption. It is a conspiracy against the rest of us.

11 November 2012 00:04  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Once, as an irreligious young adult freshly out of school, I considered joining the Masons after being invited, but declined. While appreciating Masonry's grand role in Canada's history as a progressive Protestant movement and its early acceptance of Jews in its ranks at times when such tolerance was rare, I couldn't wrap my head around its ritualistic and quasi-religious oddities. Besides, there were no young ladies about.

Nevertheless, the Masons I've known over the years have all been decent chaps and the organization here and in the US has done and continues to do magnificent charity work, particularly with injured and sick kids. Millions have been donated by charitable Masons and thousands owe their lives and health to the generosity of their clubs. That's the solid background against which all real events, imaginary rumours and conspiracy mongering should be evaluated.

11 November 2012 00:43  
Blogger ukFred said...

The Way of Dodo said:
"A Catholic is forbidden, under threat of excommunication, to join Freemasonry. Thank Heavens for smallmercies!

"A Mason does not a pervert make. However, the police are required to disclose membership of this 'club', so why not other public servants - judges, politicians and even members of the Anglican Church?

"Whilst you may make light of Masonic rituals, membership of this group - who worship a god of their own construction - is inconsistent with Christianity."

There are some on the Web who accuse Jimmy Savile of being a freemason. Yet I had always understood him to be a Roman Catholic. Is this simply an attempt to blacken the name of freemasons? I know others pointed out that he was a supporter of the Conservative Party to try to blacken its name.

11 November 2012 00:55  
Blogger len said...

The Kingdom of God is 'a Kingdom of Light' everthing is exposed and open for all to see.You cannot join the kingdom of Light without being aware the fact.

The Kingdom of Satan is a' Kingdom of darkness' where concealment and deception are rife. Most who are in the Kingdom of Satan are unaware of the fact.Freemasonary is part of the Kingdom of Darkness.

Freemasons make bloodcurdling oaths and bind themselves together. ‘That sacred and invisible bond that unites men of the most discordant opinions into one band of brothers, which gives one language to men of all nations and one altar to men of all religions, is properly, from the mysterious influence it exerts, denominated the mystic tie; and Freemasons, because they alone are under its influence, or enjoy its benefits, are called brethren of the mystic tie’ Masonry is a false religion.Masonry has its own revelation,its own Temples,its own altars, its own religious symbols and emblems, its own confession of faith, its own priests and its own rituals.The' god' whom Masonry acknowledges is not the God of the Bible.

Masonry operates under deception and the cover of Darkness, many well meaning people join not realising exactly the implications of what they are joining.

Jimmmy Savile was thought of by many as being a 'champion' of various Charities but[allegedly] carried out abuse under the cover of Darkness and deception.How he got 'away with this' for decades cannot but be a mystery to many people.



11 November 2012 08:18  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

YOU & Camoron have made pr"connection" that dies ot exist.
Some people are "gay" some people are paedophiles.
There is no necessary connection between the two.
There will, inevitably be some people who fall into both categories - it's an overlapping Venn diagram.
But no connection.
Now grow up, and concentrate on the real paedophiles, please?

As for "satanic" rituals, I thought this one had been killed long since.
It's a myth & a dangerous one at that.
See "Cleveleand" & "Orkney" where the "satanic" lie/allegations were made .....

11 November 2012 08:46  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Many commenters are of the "can not happen here" variety when they are plainly surrounded by it.there were many spotlights focused upon this problem during the first two decades of the twentieth century,most notably "world revolution"by nesta h Webster,which factually charts the infiltration of illuminati principles into the freemasons,via the involvement and sudden acceptance of jews into the grand lodge of france,which produced 1789,and was later exported to the americas,while the rank and file of masonry is no doubt honest in thier intention to benefit society,the 33degree and above ,are by no means benevolent as thier agenda demands the removal of the family,nationallity,religion,nation states and the destruction of our social fabric,by any means necessary.Washington was a mason,as were most subsequent presidents,though now they are mostly drawn from the skull and bones society.We do need a witch hunt,to preserve what little"civilisation" we have left,many eminent men and women have written about these dangers associated with the masons,we ignore them at our peril.

11 November 2012 09:08  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

To those speaking favourably about freemasonry, can I suggest you read "The Brotherhood" by Stephen Onight. It sheds a light on Freemasonry far beyond the positive vibes that are generally thought of when people defend it and also show where it has been used, or attampted to be used, to try and pervert the law.

11 November 2012 09:48  
Blogger Berserker said...

There's avery peasant town in France called Angers. (Where the English Plantagenents came from) I have been there and it comes across as an urbane and civilised pace.

So read this:
Yet what occurred here between 1999 and 2002, years when surveys named Angers as one of the best places to live in France, has horrified the nation. In what could become the biggest French criminal proceeding ever, 39 men and 27 women went on trial last month for involvement in a massive prostitution trade of 45 children — many of them their own. At least 26 men and 13 women are accused of directly prostituting and raping girls and boys, some of whom were still in kindergarten

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1050205,00.html#ixzz2BudqSZH9

Belgium of course has had its scandals as well. Sexual abuse of children has always gone on. Perhaps we should dispassionately try to find out what it is in the human psyche that drives this perversion. And don't forget women are often involved as well. Were fairy tales a way of dealing with this and preparing children for evil in days of yore. Like: Little Red Riding Hood? Rapunzel and Hansel and Gretel?

For a while, the Beeb was in heaven with the 'Thatcher era politician' business and gave it a full throttle monty. Anything to distract from the Saville business. And strange how the worst scandal of recent times: the grooming and prostitution of under age girls by the Asian groups in Bradford etc has dropped off the radar. I'm loving their (BBC) present discomfort. Do any of the beeboids now hide their "Guardian's" under plain wrappers?

11 November 2012 11:47  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

The single individual responsible for doing the greatest damage to the Catholic Church in the last century was probably a mason. Fr Annabale Bugnini, a liturgical expert at Vatican II deliberately set out with malice aforethought to strip out of the Catholic Mass everything which a Protestant might find objectionable. He destroyed the Catholic Mass, and although he went to his grave denying it, many traditional Catholics, including the German theologian, Dietrich von Hildebrand, were not in the slightest doubt that he was a mason.

This is not necessarily indicative of a conspiracy. The Italians adore secret societies and organizations like the masons always appeal to people who think they're an intellectual cut above the rest, no matter how ignorant and stupid they may personally be. That's why Richard Dawkins has so many disciples. Most likely

a) he was a mason;
b) he joined because he thought he was smarter than a 2000 year old magisterium and;
c) like most stupid people who insist that they're smart, he substituted his judgement for that of the Church, taking advantage of a moment in Church history when the organization was in flux and the usual safeguards were not in place.

And by the way, yes, a Catholic who joins the masons is automatically excommunicated and may not receive communion.

11 November 2012 13:46  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

If Cranmer is a mason then I beg His Grace to recant. We have seen how our society has been undermined by small retreats such as tolerating soft porn, or masturbation or remarriage after divorce. The Catholic Church also succumbed to this damaging tendency by instituting the reception of the Blessed Sacrament in the hand and removing the mention of words like sacrifice and altar and atonement from the Mass to comply with Protestant demands. People who are prepared to recite unmentionable oaths to join the masons suffer the same problem. You cannot recite a solemn oath and assume it is harmless. It may seem a small thing but its harm may be anything but. Christ is the King of Kings – only his kingdom will last and binding oneself to any other kingdom is very very unwise.

11 November 2012 16:21  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Corrigan:

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but wasn't Vatican II passed with the consent of the Magisterium? That being the case, if you believe it to be the product of an attempt to mislead the Catholic Church, wouldn't that logically require that the Magisterium was in fact, not infallible?

11 November 2012 16:34  
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11 November 2012 16:57  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
The politicians said 'how can we divert attention from Gays and us'? Lets implicate the Masons, let the media pick up on that.
I know it's true, I've seen the movie. Nero blames the Christians for burning Rome.

11 November 2012 17:14  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

AIB, no, it would not. Remember, the Tridentine Mass is still valid; it was never outlawed and can be said by any priest any time. It is a matter of choice within the rules, and slowly, the choice is reverting back to the Tridentine Mass. Perhaps the Holy Spirit was teaching us the value of what's important.

11 November 2012 17:41  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hooray! Carl is back! And I was worrying that you'd drowned your sorrows in too much Bud light or something!

As you are talking about grassy knolls and debunking conspiracy theories, me thinks you also once worked for one of the agencies, were you one of the men in black?....

so who really killed JFK? Was it the Mason/illuminate/Catholic Jesuits, who are secretly controlled by Israel/The Rothschild's, who answer to the shape shifting reptiles of the outer moons of Zeta Ridiculous??

LOL...

11 November 2012 18:01  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Corrigan:

That's all very well, but isn't the Ordinary Form now the standard?

"It is a matter of choice within the rules."

Which would suggest that the choice is merely one of preference. Your remarks seem to indicate otherwise. If you believe the interference by an alleged Mason "destroyed the Catholic Mass" you surely cannot be comfortable with the fact that it is celebrated throughout the Church as the standard?

"Perhaps the Holy Spirit was teaching us the value of what's important."

By allowing something non-proper to come to the fore? It's all a bit much if it turns out it's been led a song and dance by an excommunicate mole who took "advantage of a moment in Church history when the organization was in flux and the usual safeguards were not in place".

I'm always being told the Magisterium is guaranteed protection from such error-making. Whoops.

11 November 2012 18:30  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

AnonymousInBelfast said...

"Corrigan:
Forgive me if I'm being dense, but wasn't Vatican II passed with the consent of the Magisterium? That being the case, if you believe it to be the product of an attempt to mislead the Catholic Church, wouldn't that logically require that the Magisterium was in fact, not infallible?"


Not dense. Just a little bit mischievious, I'd guess.

Vatican II was unique in Ecumenical Councils in that it did not illuminate new doctrine or dogma, so the Magisterium didn't make any infallible statements.

It was aimed at 'modernising' the language and practices of the Catholic Church. Some say watering down doctrine to make it more acceptable to protestants. There are an awful lot of conspiracy theories about it. One suggests Pope John XXIII was himself a Mason! Certainly it was a stange and time in the Church's history.

The 'Spirit of Vatican II', a nebulous and ill-defined concept, is what has plagued the Church since. Hans Kung is a prime example.

For some, following the Council, to be a Catholic now meant to believe more or less anything one wished to believe, or which one personally interpreted the bible to require. One could be a Catholic 'in spirit', rather than accepting a creed that makes objective and rigorous demands. All terriblt 'protestant' - but mistaken!

11 November 2012 18:40  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Hannah

And I was worrying that you'd drowned your sorrows in too much Bud light or something!

What do you think I am? Canadian?

I sulked for about a day. The Wednesday after the election, my wife bought me a bottle of Chianti which I promptly forgot to open. Life was back to normal by Thursday. After all, God is still in His heaven, and there are no random molecules in the Universe. For good or ill, I am bound to glorify God in all circumstances. And let's be frank. I'm not being shot down in the street for my Christian faith. Other people face that prospect daily.

Many years ago, I was standing in a cemetery with very old gravestones. (Well, they are old in the US.) I suddenly realized that I stood among the memories of the real lives of real men. It occurred to me that these men all lived lives of sorrow and joy and suffering and triumph, and all of it was buried and forgotten. What had happen to them? They once stood where I stood - fretting over the problems of life, and now they are dead. The whole of a life had been reduced to a stone with a name and two dates, and perhaps a brief statement like "Beloved husband and father." How much do the problems of 200 years past matter to them now? This life is but grass - the grass that covers the ground above the coffin. Eternity by contrast is a long time.

carl

11 November 2012 18:45  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

The Novus Ordo Mass was created against the actual statements of the Council. For example, Latin was mandated to remain but the vernacular could be introduced. As it happens we had the communists sponsoring traitors to enter the Church and undermine from within and they took the Council documents and interpreted them very loosely. We are beginning to see a return but there are many traitors in powerful positions. St Catherine Emmerich prophesied about "the new and odd looking Church which they were trying to build with their own hands ... I did not see a single angel involved in its construction" ... it was as if people were dividing into two camps. This was prophesied in 1820 and mirrors closely what happened since Vatican II. This is what we can expect because Jesus talks about the time before his second coming by saying "when you see the disastrous abomination set up in the Holy Place then those in Judea must escape to the hills. The current Mass is valid - just about - even though it has been denuded of much of its power and beauty but we can expect satan to continue to fight against the Catholic Church because it alone has the spiritual power to thwart him.

11 November 2012 18:48  
Blogger John Magee said...

Corrigan

The Mason's harm no one.

How about these examples of an organization (Marxist-Leninism)that was and is dedicated to destroying the Catholic Church and the few other churches left who stand for the unchanging truth of the Gospels in the last century and still do and always will. Look at how the secular world hates religion today.

Albert Vassert, a former member of the French Communist Party revealed in 1955 that Moscow had issued a 1936 order that carefully selected members of the Communist youth enter seminaries, and after training, receive ordination as priests. Some of these were to infiltrate religious orders, particularly the Dominicans

Deitrich von Hildebrand reported that the French Dominicans had become so Communistic in their 'evangelization' that in 1953, the Order barely escaped dissolution by the order of Pope Pius XII.

Dietrich von Hildebrand understood what the Church was facing by a stealth attack by Moscow. He was a German Catholic philosopher nd theologian was was called by Pope Pius XII "the 20th Century Doctor of the Church"

Born and raised in Florence in a Protestant household, the son of sculptor Adolf von Hildebrand, Hildebrand converted to Catholicism in 1914. He was a vocal opponent of Adolf Hitler and Nazism, fleeing from Germany to Vienna, Austria in 1933 upon Hitler's rise to power. In 1940 he emigrated to the USA where he taught philosophy at the Jesuit Fordham University in the Bronx, New York.

Pope John Paul II greatly admired the work of von Hildebrand, remarking once to von Hildebrand's widow, Alice von Hildebrand, "Your husband is one of the great ethicists of the twentieth century." Pope Benedict XVI has a particular admiration and regard for Dietrich von Hildebrand, whom he already knew as a young priest in Munich. In fact, as young Fr. Ratzinger, he even served as an assistant pastor in the church of St. Georg in Munich, which von Hildebrand frequented in the 1950s and 1960s. It was also in St. Georg that Dietrich and Alice von Hildebrand were married. The degree of Pope Benedict's esteem is expressed in one of his statements about von Hildebrand, "When the intellectual history of the Catholic Church in the twentieth century is written, the name of Dietrich von Hildebrand will be most prominent among the figures of our time." Von Hildebrand was a vocal critic of the changes in the church brought by the Second Vatican Council.[citation needed] He especially resented the new liturgy. Of it he said "Truly, if one of the devils in C.S. Lewis' The Screwtape Letters had been entrusted with the ruin of the liturgy, he could not have done it better.

Another person who warned of the damage the Communist would try to do by infiltrating the RC Church was a former American Communist named Bella Dodd.
Mrs. Bella Dodd spent most of her life in the Communist Party in America and was Attorney General designate had the Party won the White House. After her defection, she revealed that one of her jobs as a Communist agent was to encourage young radicals (not always card-carrying Communists) to enter Catholic seminaries. She said that before she had left the Party in the United States, she herself had encouraged almost 1,000 young radicals to infiltrate the seminaries and religious orders.
She also that of all the world's religions, the Catholic Church was the only one feared by the Communists, for it was its only effective opponent.

Another American and former member of the CPUSA, Mr Manning Johnson aid this as part of his long testimony in 1953 to the USA House Unamerican Activities Commitee:

Mr. Johnson further testified that the goals of this infiltration were twofold:

1.To make the Catholic Church no longer effective against Communism.

2. To direct clerical thinking away from the spiritual and toward the temporal and political ... hence, the preaching of the "social gospel".

11 November 2012 18:49  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

With regard to infiltration, the disciples of satan have been attacking not only the Catholic Church but Western civilization in its entirety. Another failure of Vatican II indicating its weakness was its accommodation with communism (ostpolitik). Here's a video (90 mins) which gives us all great cause for concern.

11 November 2012 18:57  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

sorry here's the video:

http://vimeo.com/52009124

11 November 2012 18:59  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Belfast, the guiding hand of the Holy Spirit is mere wishful thinking. The Galileo tragedy put paid to that idea. It’s important t to recognise that the church can go down the wrong road, Vatican II for example. Perhaps with this in mind, the Magisterium will not be making the same mistakes again...


11 November 2012 19:22  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

Inspector,

Galileo said that his theory was a fact and he was asked to admit that at the current state of knowledge at the time it could only be a theory. It was suggested to him that instead of saying scripture was wrong he say that we have interpreted scripture wrongly. The Copernican Theory which Galileo was promoting had been taught as a theory since the time of Copernicus many years earlier without any problem. It got messy because Galileo was a very abusive character and denigrated anyone who disagreed with him so he ruffled feathers. However scientifically he did not have sufficient evidence at the time to say it was a fact and the position of the Church has been vindicated. He was given a pension by the Church for the rest of his life.

11 November 2012 19:41  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

"Not dense. Just a little bit mischievious, I'd guess."

Mea culpa.

My mischief, however, had a point beyond treading in Titivillus' footsteps. Whether the conspiracy theories are well founded or nonsense, the fact that Catholics may seriously entertain the notion that an ecumenical council can be mislead in some way towards a non-proper position (I can't think of a better term - heretical and heterodox have too many connotations to be used here), it suggests that their understanding of Catholicism is in some degree independent from the fact of the Magisterium, and that for all the posturing regarding Rome's infallibility, it is all to easy for even ultra-traditionalists to imagine it going astray.

When Corrigan and others (like that Belfast priest I've mentioned to you before, but also others in this comment thread) hold something promulagated by an Ecumenical Council confirmed by the Pope in suspicion, or take seriously charges that men unfit to faith pushed for key changes, with the implication that they were misleading the Church, it cannot do much to support the arguments for guarantees of a Church untainted by "individual revelation" so robustly defended on other occasions when conversing with Protestants.

Actually though, I think there is reason to find this healthy: it means that we're into a place where fitness to office, and fitness for authority has meaning independent from the holding or exercising of either (though obviously not in a mutually exclusive fashion). I'd probably share much of your concern, Dodo, about the overly liberalising trends in the "Spirit of Vatican II". I'd also happily acknowledge that many proponents of heterodox and even heretical positions have assumed a lattitude that was never given to them. The same is true across a great many Christian denominations, not least in the CofE. All I'd suggest, hopefully without controversy, is that our first foundation is in our relationship with God, otherwise we run the risk of our faith in His guarantees no longer being a source of consolation and deepening of faith, but rather a rod by which we stave off debate without reflection - wherever it does not suit us.

11 November 2012 19:50  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

*all too easy

11 November 2012 19:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Shacklefree, The Inspector thanks you for that detail. A very sad occasion, what happened to that man. What you are of course saying is that the Holy Spirit allows falsehood until such a time as man gets it right, which really negates the idea of a guiding hand. One is still left with doubt as to the intersession willingness of the Holy Spirit, especially after Vatican II.


11 November 2012 19:52  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Inspector:

The question that would arise to my mind is not whether the Holy Spirit allows falsehood - but whether in the instance of the hierarchy of the Church being engaged in some sort of falsehood (knowingly or unknowingly) we might be better advised to simply seek the Holy Spirit. A corollary of that would be to ask how one would know when there is falsehood.

Relying on one's own ecclesial tastes only goes so far unless someone is willing to endow themselves with infallibility. I conclude that strange times or no, it is always safer to go to the source than the outflow, and that doing so will ensure that we become outflows in our lives, or - to use an old fashioned term - we will be the Church. Indeed, how else will "a man get it right" in those sad circumstances?

11 November 2012 20:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Belfast, the idea that we have other things wrong is constantly on this man’s mind. That’s just the way it is. One believes that so long as we aspire to do what is right, according to man’s limited ability, we can’t go far wrong. And if we did go wrong along the way, we must prostrate ourselves before God and say “We did what we thought best”.



11 November 2012 20:48  
Blogger John Magee said...

Belfast

I just read a book about the bombing of Belfast during Easter Week 1941 entitled "The Belfast Blitz" by Stephen Douds which I bought on Ebay UK. I had no idea Belfast had more people killed during one single night of bombing during WW II of any British city other than London. The damage was enormous because the city was almost totally undefended and the German bombers did as they pleased including deliberate bombing of suburban areas. After the first raids on the harbor area and residentail areas they came back and finished off the center city. Those Luftwaffe rats even dropped a few bombs on Island Magee (Oilean MhicAodha)in Belfast Lough...

11 November 2012 20:49  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

AIB

A fair point.

Some Catholics maintain the format of the Mass was doctrinally and dogmatically set by Vatican I and therefore 'heretically' altered by Vatican II, is an issue.

Those "ultra-traditionalists" who broke from Rome over this seperated themselves, in my view, needlessly. After protest, they left the battlefield.

Other "ultra-traditionalists" (i.e. true Catholics), stayed within the Church. They understood doctrine and dogma had not been set aside but was under attack and some of the documents from Vatican II "opened a door" that needed closing.

The 'new spirit' of Vatican II was capable of misinterpretation and misapplication. The Church and its rituals and sacraments were made more accessible to lay men and women. The majesty of ceremony and worship was removed. In our parishes we were encouraged to participate more.

The documents also invited us to better understand our faith in the 20th century, to honestly look at our history and prejudices and to reach out to other Christians and faiths.

Another group who stayed saw the Council's documents as meaning freedom from doctrine and the Church's authority and teachings. One could believe, more or less, as one wished to believe. You could personally interpret the bible. One could be a Catholic 'in spirit' rather than by accepting the Magisterium.

I thank God orthodoxy prevailed ... although it remains under constant threat. But how could it not succeed? The Church has Divine protection.

This struggle between truth and error in the Church is not dependant on good men and leaders. Good and evil also fight in the Church. Regardless of the character of men, whether they walk with Christ or not, the Catholic Church will continue. This is the real lesson of the 'reformation'. Corrupt men and popes did not destroy the Church. True Catholics stayed within the Church and the battle was won.

The Inspector is not a good example of an orthodox Catholic. His denial of the Holy Spirit's guidance of the Church shows an astonishing lack of Catholic education. He also holds some ideas on morals and faith that contradict Church teaching.

He is:

An unorthodox, ultra-orthodox protesting and occassionally heretical Catholic


.

11 November 2012 20:56  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Not sure if you know but MhicAodha is pronounced ‘McEva’, John

From 'Mac an ?'


11 November 2012 21:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One does his best, that bird, and is already prepared to justify himself at the final judgement. A mere three decades away or less...

11 November 2012 21:07  
Blogger ukFred said...

One has to ask whether the reason that this has come out now is that the attention of all is diverted from that other hotbed of deception and freemasonry, the police, and specifically the South Yorkshire Police because since all the Savile filth came out, Hillsborough has been pushed out of the newspapers.

11 November 2012 21:10  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Inspector:

I make no claim to be competent to judge either yourself or your Church, let alone your standind with it, but it seems to me that being willing to be taught and corrected is probably the most important characteristic a Christian can have. We all start as sinners, we all await perfection. We are works in progress. In that sense, when each of us stands willing to follow God, sincere in faith, and committed live like a disciple of Christ, the Holy Spirit guides the Church unfailingly. When we err, He guides us back towards God - whether we are able to do so is dependent on our receptiveness and willingness to follow.

11 November 2012 21:22  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

AIB

There was one other point I meant to make = In God's own way He uses these crises in the Church.

The school I attended was Saint Thomas More which may give you an indictation of my role model for Catholics troubled by human faults within the Church.

I often reflect on the differences between himself and Thomas Cranmer, their adherence to their Catholic faith in office and the manner they approached and accepted their martydom.

At the time of the Reformation the Church needed to change its behaviour and was being led by men who let the Church down.

Maybe the Church would not have got itself in order and countered the reformation without the political, social, theological and religious upheavals triggered by the Reformation. Maybe events since Vatican II have been necessary to reaffirm the necessity and the authority of the Magisterium and the Office of the Pope.

As I said, the Catholic Church is not solely reliant on the calibre of its human leaders. God sends the leaders He needs when He needs them.

11 November 2012 21:44  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

UKFred

Maybe the South Yorkshire are run by the Masons but I doubt they'd dob their brothers in the sh*t like this!

11 November 2012 21:46  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Inspector said ...

"One does his best, that bird, and is already prepared to justify himself at the final judgement."

Rules at the last judgement:

- you have been given one tongue and two ears for a reason;

- you do not tell Christ where He went wrong with creation;

- you do not answer Jesus back when He tells you where you went astray.

Jesus has patience, dear friend, but don't go pushing it too far!

11 November 2012 21:51  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Belfast, The Inspector stands before his final judgement. His final utterance is “destroy me if you must”. This man, who obeys the law, and lives as Christ would have him, no longer wishes to apologise for being human. Rather sick and tired of it all, if the truth be known...

11 November 2012 21:51  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo, the last post is especially for you...

11 November 2012 21:53  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

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11 November 2012 21:58  
Blogger John Magee said...

Inspector

Thank you for that tip. Your knowledge is always appreciated by me. I always wondered how my surname was pronounced in Gaelic. When Celtic names were required to be Anglicized most spellings of Irish and Scots family names we know today were the result of mistakes made by some bored or hurried clerk back in the 1600's dipping his quill in his ink bottle trying to give people an "English" version of the strange Celtic name the head of the family gave him for census or parish records.

The same thing happened to people emigrating to the USA from Europe through Ellis Island in New York Harbot and other ports in the 1800's and early 1900's. Over worked immigration clerks heard a name in Polish or some other language from people who just got off a crowded boat and often gave the family an "Anglicized" version of what he heard which went into the daily immigration log books.

Inspector

I believe God hates three things: cruelty, lies, and laziness.

From these three things spring all the evil in this world.

The Old and New Testament Bible thumpers here will disagree of course.

11 November 2012 21:59  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Inspector,

" no longer wishes to apologise for being human. Rather sick and tired of it all, if the truth be known..."

Quite. Some of the ultra pious here think we should all be hippies, loving each other in a peasant commune. If only some chaps actually lived in the real world.

11 November 2012 21:59  
Blogger John Magee said...

Lord Lavendon

If you read about life in these hippie communes they are as greedy, selfish, and jealous as the rest of us. I saw a program on TV about one surving hippie commune in Oregon, USA where their flourishing drug paraphernalia buisness uses the latest in computer technology to maarket their "goods". They rely on the fastest methods of getting their "product" to their customers via airfreight with no consideration about their carbon footprint!

I had a wonderful belly laugh reading about the legal fight the wife and former wife of the very dead Jerry Garcia of the band called the Greatful Dead fought in court over his vast fortune. It was a wonderful thing to behold. Hippy mama's fighting over the almighty dollar to make sure they had all the nice things in life like Mercedes Benz's and a mansion or two along with tens of millions of $$$ in the bank.

"Make money not war"

I have read the NT on rare occasions. Never did I read in the NT Jesus say "make love"...

Although I believe I once heard a quote from the OT that said something about "go forth and multiply".

Is this true?

11 November 2012 22:22  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

John Magee,

Indeed it is it.

11 November 2012 22:39  
Blogger non mouse said...

Shacklefree (and later Mrs. King, also): thanks for that video.

Grinding America Down (2010) supports what several of us here have outlined about Marxist destruction of the West. The documentary helps by naming the names and making credible connections between many of those who moved on from Marx - The Fabians - Gramsci - The Frankfurt School - and on to the present. The study even offers some suggestions about how we might begin to redress the balance. Today, of all days, is a good time to contribute to the battle.

Part of my contribution will be to try and increase the film's audience ... perhaps adding reference to a few things like Huxley's work, his interviews with Wallace (1958), etc.).

Incidentally, I took the point about the difference between "agenda" and "conspiracies." We are indeed dealing with the "Communist Agenda."

11 November 2012 22:46  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

John Magee said ...

"I believe God hates three things: cruelty, lies, and laziness. From these three things spring all the evil in this world.

The Old and New Testament Bible thumpers here will disagree of course."


And later:

"I have read the NT on rare occasions."

Should you ever actually read the bible you'll learn that Pride was the devil's great sin. He wanted to be like God, and rebelled.

There are 7 basic kinds of sin, that lead to all others - the Seven Cardinal sins. Most of us are afflicted greatly with at least one or two of these. And once you give in to one, the spirits of the other 6 will be only too glad to come into your soul.

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world."

Saint John is talking about three basic types of sin - The lust of the flesh (gluttony, lust, sloth), the lust of the eyes (greed), and the pride of life (pride, envy, anger).

Overcoming these things is our life's work.

Is the Magisterium and the Pope "Old and New Testament Bible thumpers" for teaching this and other truths?

12 November 2012 00:43  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Inspector

I don't intend to be critical.

If you had written:

"One does his best, that bird, and is already prepared to throw myself on Christ's mercy and understanding at the final judgement."

No one is perfect but we should at least acknowledge where we fall short.

12 November 2012 00:51  
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12 November 2012 01:05  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

“I make no claim to be competent to judge either yourself or your Church, let alone your standing with it, but it seems to me that being willing to be taught and corrected is probably the most important characteristic a Christian can have.”

Very nice post anonymous – much appreciated and I also see the current turmoil as indicative of the way Almighty God directs His people i.e. not by coercion but by expecting them to struggle with their doubts, using their reason and conscience to the best of their abilities.

12 November 2012 09:20  
Blogger John Thomas said...

Someone can be a very good person and worship a false god; someone can be a very bad person and worship the real God; some people will claim that there is no such thing as a god, and that if there is, there is no way of knowing (?) what is false and what is real. Some - the worst - will hold that I can have my god while at the same time, you can have - a totally different one - your own.

12 November 2012 13:02  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

And what do you conclude from those observations John Thomas?

12 November 2012 13:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John. Slipped you wrong info. Your name would be pronounced ‘Mceeya’ One always gets dh and bh mixed up, despite knowing full well that the Irish town of Queenstown (famous as the Titanic’s last berth) was renamed ‘Cobh’ in Irish. Pronounced ‘cove’ as in cove of Cork. The river being far too narrow for modern vessels to even think of navigating to Cork docks.

One’s cousin Angela who spent years being taught Irish informs that Irish is a language you cannot learn alone from a book. You need to be with someone who speaks it, such are the intricacies of the language. Rather like a phonetic version of the English ‘i before e except after c’ which itself has numerous exceptions.



12 November 2012 16:36  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo.…and is already prepared to throw myself on Christ's mercy and understanding at the final judgement."

My dear chum, as Catholics we know there are different degrees of sin, although this is rejected by some protesting types who insist ALL sin is equally bad. Thus with that in mind, the Inspector has absolutely no intention of committing an act or deed in his lifetime that would necessitate throwing himself “on Christ's mercy and understanding”

If you must know, the Inspector had more of a handshake in mind when he meets the almighty made flesh. {AHEM}, assuming he is let in, of course…





12 November 2012 16:38  
Blogger John Magee said...

Inspector

Thanks again. Until recently the bishop of Cloyne was named John Magee, no relation but he was born in Ulster, he restored the beautiful RC ST. Coleman's Cathedral at Cobh which sits on a hill dominating the lovely town and harbor of Cobh.

You are correct. It was the last port of call for the RMS (Royal Merchant Ship) Titanic in April 1912.

12 November 2012 16:59  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John. the pro Cathedral is indeed stunning, and having cursed the steep climb from the shoreline, knew it would be a sight to remember. Not far off is the mass grave of the Lusitania ‘survivors’ as one helpful chap in a nearby bar who clearly had a few put it.

12 November 2012 17:36  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Inspector

You will meet Him be sure of that - we all will. And you'll want to keep your time in Pergatory to a minimum, surely?

Chin up, eyes front, shoulders back and onwards.

12 November 2012 20:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Purgatory ? The very idea the clean living Inspector be subject to that. Straight into the front room old chap...


12 November 2012 21:19  
Blogger JohnPD said...

Thank you Your Grace for a most important blog.
@ John Magee,@ Englishman, @ Youthpasta, @ Berserker, & @ Shacklefree, thanks for your insights.
The Savile story has thrown up many interesting questions, regarding the possible involvement of The Roman Catholic Church, The Tories at No 10,
Parliament & The Courts, The Police, & finally the Masons.

May I suggest that these are all red herrings?

The culprit here, alongside Jimmy Savile, is the BBC.

The red herrings are designed to divert attention away from the important story.

Last week, the BBC won a 6 year court battle against a pensioner, Mr Newbery.

Under a FOI request, Mr Newbery wanted to know the names of the "Secret Panel" of 28 which the BBC convened 6 yrs ago, & which convinced them that the AGW science was "settled".

It is not, of course, Global Warming is a huge scam set up to raise carbon taxes to pay for govt spending, & UN Agenda 21.

The reason the BBC & the 28 wish them to remain anonymous is that they know it is a scam. Honest scientists do not fear the light of day.

UN Agenda 21 pretends to be about "Green & Sustainable" policies for the 21st century. Signing it in 1992 at the RIO Earth Summit, George Bush Snr hailed it as "A New World Order" I doubt he bothered to read it's 800 turgid pages. I also doubt Bill Clinton did before signing it in 1993.

Neither brought it before Congress.

This is UN Bureaucrats & compliant politicians ignoring the legislature.

Among UN Agenda 21 aims are a vast (~75%?)reduction in world population, the abolishment of private property, & the abolishment of the family, & much more.

Luckily, the fightback has begun.
Alabama in June this year became the first US state to ban UN Agenda 21. Other states, counties & cities are following suit.
Google'The New American 10 July 2012', a must read.

Also instructive are the following:
1) reason.com/reasontv/2012/03/08/sackett-v-epa
2)reason.com/reasontv/2012/05/30/zoned-out-of-business
3) reason.com/reasontv/2012/03/15/why-the-future-is-better

This is UN Agenda 21 in action, & hope for the future.

The BBC is fully complicit, & is desperate to keep this court case out of the main stream media, hence the barrage of red herrings.

I recommend James Delingpole's Friday blog in 'bogpaper.com for his vitriolic &, in my opinion, justified views of the BBC.

We live in interesting times.
:)
JD

13 November 2012 15:06  
Blogger JohnPD said...

PS,
The reason the BBC won it's court case, apart from having a legal team including 2 barristers, & estimated by Steven Orlowski of the Register magazine website, who is following the case, to be costing BBC licence payers in the region of £40,000 per day, is that the BBC was adjudged to be a 'private' organisation, not subject to FOI legislation.

So,to be clear, our major 'public service broadcaster' decides to abandon it's Charter which demands
fair & impartial reporting of both sides of an issue,& decides to become an advocate on behalf of AGW, which is a scam.

Then it wants to hide the identities of the 28 'experts'who it says caused it to take this disastrous step, by claiming to be a 'private' organisation. LOL.

And the aim is the installation of a marxist one world govt, for which the EU is the forerunner,huge loss of life which will make the holocaust look like a minor accident.

The BBC is rightly terrified that this story will surface, & Mr Entwhistle's ludicrous payoff is one more red herring.

This story has huge legs, & will lead at least to the breakup of the BBC behemoth, I hope.
We live in interesting times.
:)
JD.

We

13 November 2012 18:02  

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