Saturday, December 15, 2012

Connecticut school massacre: "Our hearts are broken"

No words.

A time to mourn.


Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Don’t think for one minute this is going to affect America’s love affair with the firearm...

15 December 2012 at 10:53  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Perhaps we should also weep for the Israeli children as well.

This is from Asia Online yesterday :

President Barack Obama, strangely failed to condemn Morsi's power grab. As the Washington Post's senior analyst David Ignatius put it, "How did Washington become the best friend of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, even as President Mohamed Morsi was asserting dictatorial powers and his followers were beating up secular liberals in the streets of Cairo?" Ignatius explains: "The administration's rejoinder is that this isn't about America. Egyptians and other Arabs are writing their history now, and they will have to live with the consequences. Moreover, the last thing secular protesters need is an American embrace. That's surely true, but it's crazy for Washington to appear to take sides against those who want a liberal, tolerant Egypt and be for those who favor sharia [Islamic law]. Somehow, that's where the administration has ended up." [2] In a symbolic move that signals American support for the Muslim Brotherhood President Mosri, the US announced this week that it will begin delivery of 20 fighter jets to Egypt next year, fulfilling a deal signed in 2010. The F-16s will augment more than 200 advanced jets in Cairo's inventory, and according to a Pentagon spokesman will "enhance Egypt's capacity to contribute to regional mission sets". It is an extraordinarily risky bet on a country whose economy is in ruins and which is on the verge of political chaos. Egypt was once, only two years ago, a source of inspiration for the Arab Spring. Now it could become its nightmare metaphor.

But then Obama is a Sunni muslim and if one accepts that, ALL of his foreign policy makes sense.

15 December 2012 at 10:57  
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15 December 2012 at 11:02  
Blogger non mouse said...

Your Grace is right.

It's just as well the world's worst actor is not speaking, here.

15 December 2012 at 11:03  
Blogger Dave said...

Tonight you have to cry Obama.

Yes Sir.

15 December 2012 at 11:10  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Gee Thanks President Obama, nice friends you have.

Egypt faces a 'dark tunnel'
By Victor Kotsev

Amid continuing clashes and extraordinarily high tensions - including allegations of fraud in early voting of expatriates in embassies across the world - Egyptians are set to approve or reject a controversial new constitution that draws heavily on Islamic law. The instability could have wide-ranging consequences, and even scenarios such as an army coup or an Islamist dictatorship are not out of question.

Even more-scary possibilities exist. If the referendum succeeds and Morsi manages to shake off the protests, this would leave him with unprecedented powers and could inspire the Islamists to pursue an even more radical social and political agenda. While it is too early to claim that Egypt is following in the footsteps of the Iranian revolution in 1979, such a scenario is not out of question.

News that an outspoken atheist from a Coptic family had been sentenced to three years in jail for "blasphemy" this week further fueled these fears.
The army has been deployed on the streets, and several people have been killed while untold numbers wounded in the violence.

When 90% of judges, who normally supervise polls, refused to have anything to do with the referendum, the president was forced to split the voting over two consecutive Saturdays. Meanwhile, the International Monetary Fund delayed a vital loan of US$4.8 billion, the country's stock market plunged, and the largest industrial city in Egypt, El-Mahalla El-Kubra, symbolically declared itself an "Independent Republic" free of Brotherhood rule.

Morsi laid hands on various judiciary prerogatives last month, ostensibly in order to push through the new constitution.

What a great statesman President Obama is to back such a regime.

15 December 2012 at 11:12  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Good old Naomi - never let a chance go by to use bodies to advance your abstract principles. You could be a liberal.

15 December 2012 at 11:22  
Blogger Brian West said...

Go easy, Naomi. If you write long essays on short pretexts, other bloggers will be less likely to take you seriously when you do post on topic - which would be a pity because you make a lot of good points.


15 December 2012 at 11:50  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

@Brian - To be honest, in the gay marriage discussion yesterday I switched off from her comments very soon because even when on topic she goes off on one!

15 December 2012 at 12:05  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector is walking round rather smug these days because he stays on topic.

15 December 2012 at 12:21  
Blogger Brian West said...

Youthpasta. I agree, this blog is important, and useful, and I wouldn't blame HG if he banned over-long posts (I often don't read on if a post exceeds one screen), and rapid follow-ups, and rapped our knuckles if we abused his hospitality by posting our own polemics.


15 December 2012 at 12:23  
Blogger Nicodemus said...

I agree, Naomi makes good points, but perhaps the answer is for her to have her own blog ...

Connecticut is tragic. As it happens my devotional reading this morning read,

"All of us have murder in our hearts from time to time, and lots of other unpleasant things. If looks could kill we'd have plenty of corpses in our wake some days. God's concern is not just for regulating or modifying our outward behaviour, but for an on-going change in our hearts."

I'm all for gun control, however it's people who kill, not guns.

15 December 2012 at 12:33  
Blogger Manfarang said...

What is a gun for if it is not for killing?

15 December 2012 at 12:57  
Blogger Naomi King said...

My apologies Gentlemen, if I tired. i will give it a rest for a while.

God bless

15 December 2012 at 13:15  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

God of power and mercy,
you have made death itself the gateway to eternal life.

Look with love on our dead brothers and sisters,
and make them one with Your Son in His suffering and death,
that, sealed with the blood of Christ,
they may come before you free from sin.


15 December 2012 at 13:52  
Blogger Corrigan said...

I wish it were as easy as banning guns. The NRA mantra that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is trite and shallow, but that doesn't mean there isn't some truth in it. Canadians have as many guns, but don't go off on shooting sprees; ditto the Swedes. And tight gun control didn't stop Dunblane. There's more to it than just banning guns.

15 December 2012 at 14:00  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Speaking of using bodies to advance a cause.

Don’t think for one minute this is going to affect America’s love affair with the firearm...

No, it won't. The US isn't a European nation. We haven't surrendered to the gov't the individual right of self defense. We haven't accepted victimization as the natural consequence of civilization. Stories like this shooting make the news because of the collective horror. What doesn't make the news are all the stories of individuals who are alive today because they didn't have to depend upon a distant gov't to defend them. They could appeal instead to their own ability to project lethal force - their own ability to kill.

In 1992, the Los Angeles Police Dept faced a violent mob, and had to make a decision. It could either 1) use lethal force against the mob or 2) run away. The police chose to run away. In so doing they abandoned the city to 48 hours of looting and arson and murder. The people who weren't burned out by the mob were the ones who stood on their buildings with weapons, and shot the mob. But many were they who huddled defenseless in the dark and simply hoped the mob would overlook them. For two days. That's when you realize what a gun is for.

I am no more a potential killer because I own a handgun than I am because I own a set of kitchen knives. I am however a much less likely victim. You would have me trade the ability of self-defense for the illusory promise of collective protection. Which in practice means "Accept the risk of being victimized for the greater good." I am not willing to make that trade.


15 December 2012 at 14:37  
Blogger Nicodemus said...

Manfarang said...
What is a gun for if it is not for killing?

They can be used for killing animals or, given they exist, are needed in a just war, for example. But the point I was making is that GUNS DO NOT KILL ON THEIR OWN THEY ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS. Murder finds it's source in the human heart. No amount of legislation on it's own is going to change that.

15 December 2012 at 14:50  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Obama is a complete phony. Almost all of those killed were white, and in Obama's messed up mind, that is all to the good. He is using this to push his "gun control" agenda, however.

Gun control should mean using both hands, nothing more. The second amendment is there to protect Americans from the government, and that is why it is so vitally important.

15 December 2012 at 15:33  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

"All things have their season, and in their times all things pass under heaven.

Is this the time for a debate on the right to bear arms?

Today is a time to mourn and a time to be silent.

"Whatever is has already been,
and what will be has been before;
and God will call the past to account."

15 December 2012 at 15:41  
Blogger Owl said...

Obama is just not beleivable.

He is making politics out of a tragedy.

Carl has properly pointed out that the fascist state needs to first disarm the people. It can then preceed to do whatever it likes after that.

I am sure that this tragedy will be spun out as the works of a right-wing, gun-loving, tea-party type.

Only later will the truth come out.

My prayers go out for the victims, my disgust goes out to the Obama type politicians.

15 December 2012 at 15:47  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Is this the time for a debate on the right to bear arms?

That horse left the barn with the first post on the thread. Why did you wait until now to make this statement? Why didn't you say it three hours ago? A statement like "Don’t think for one minute this is going to affect America’s love affair with the firearm" doesn't constitute mourning and it sure isn't being silent.

I didn't want the thread to go in that direction, but I wasn't going to sit on my hands if it did. In any case, I knew the thread would go in that direction because these events always induce arguments about gun ownership. Always.


15 December 2012 at 16:05  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl. Rather touchy today aren't you. You jumped straight in and assumed "Don’t think for one minute this is going to affect America’s love affair with the firearm" was an anti firearm criticism. It was not, merely a statement of fact. One knows exactly that even if you had one of these incidents once a week for the next three months, maybe gun control might be in the offing. But until then, disarm America ? No chance...

The Inspector has no answer how to solve school massacres, short of the school staff walking around with holsters, and a watch tower at the main entrance with the janitor behind a Vickers mark III.

15 December 2012 at 17:07  
Blogger IanCad said...

I am a Conservative.
President Obama's statement was dignified, thoughtful, and Yes! Presidential.
No one is a phony under these circumstances.
Give the man a break.
To impugn his motives at this time is petty and distasteful

15 December 2012 at 17:34  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Obama is a phony at all times; he is incapable of anything else. He has no substance; he is a fraud. He is setting the stage to try to break the Second Amendment. It will never happen!!

The solution to school shooting and other problems needs to be found through more freedom, not more regulation. In part, this may well mean allowing and encouraging teachers to carry, and in colleges, allowing students also to be armed. The idea of so-called "gun free zones" simply creates a shooting gallery. Killers are much less likely to go places where they know they have a high likelihood of meeting up with unidentified but armed citizens; it scares them, too close to a fair fight. People are very polite to each other when it is known that some/many of them are armed.

15 December 2012 at 17:56  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


You jumped straight in and assumed "Don’t think for one minute this is going to affect America’s love affair with the firearm" was an anti firearm criticism.

It was that use of the phrase 'love affair.' When an American uses that phrase, he means to imply a sense of the illicit. But since you say there was no such implied criticism, then I will take you at your word.

The Inspector has no answer how to solve school massacres

They didn't happen 50 years ago and so perhaps we should begin to ask "What has changed?" That's why people are so focused on guns. They have a vested interest in not looking too hard at things like "Who is actually raising children today - besides their peer group in the day care center? How can they know right from wrong in a world where Truth has been destroyed?" No, far better to talk about guns.


15 December 2012 at 17:58  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl, “love affair” in the USA implies a sense of the illicit ? How desperately sad !

Youth of course has been corrupted by that which is available from the TV. It’s bad enough in the UK, drivel in the morning and afternoon, muck in the evening.

During the riots here last year, which happened about a mile away from where this man resides, as the crow flies, if someone had said to him “Here’s a Thompson with a couple of drum magazines” he would not have been turned away. After all, why should this man die as some did do during a criminal uprising...

15 December 2012 at 18:09  
Blogger IanCad said...

DrD @17:56 wrote:

"Obama is a phony at all times; he is incapable of anything else. He has no substance; he is a fraud.---"

You don't know that.

I wouldn't even say that about Tony Blair.

However, your second paragraph makes a lot of sense.

15 December 2012 at 18:13  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Ah, IanCad, but I can know that. I am an American, watching this fraud who was never eligible to be president in the first place, as he recklessly violates the laws of the US, refuses to do the job he was elected to do, shows his bias and disregard for the Constitution that he has sworn to uphold. He is simply an actor, responding to instructions from his handlers - George Soros, et. al. who are seeking to build a one world, socialist government. The do not know the lesson of the Tower of Babel, but it remains true in spite of them, and it will fail again as it has every time in the past.

Do you recall Clint Eastwood's monologue at the Rep. Convention where he talked with an empty suit? It worked so well because Obama is a man of no substance, an empty suit. He has been a fraud his entire life.

He knows nothing but hatred for white people. He is a marxist with strong muzlim sympathies. We erred badly when he was elected, and when he was re-elected it was a catastrophe.

15 December 2012 at 18:23  
Blogger IanCad said...


What complete and utter claptrap.

Clint Eastwood's monoloque worked real well didn't it?

So we now have President Romney?

Get off the Kool-Aid man for goodness sakes.

15 December 2012 at 18:45  
Blogger Dr.D said...

No, Obama's voter fraud machine worked quite well. He had a number of precincts that voted over 100% for him, just like back in the USSR. That's why we don't have Pres. Romney. No Kool-Aid involved; I don't drink the stuff at all.

15 December 2012 at 19:27  
Blogger Matt A said...

Dr D: Do you, by chance, live in Texas or Alabama?

15 December 2012 at 19:48  
Blogger bluedog said...

'Do you, by chance, live in Texas or Alabama?', asks Matt A.

Your point?

15 December 2012 at 20:16  
Blogger John Magee said...


All of the mass shootings in my country, the UK, and all over the world (other than those carried out by terrrists who must also be considered deranged)have been the act of one or two psychopaths or mentally ill people.

Mass murders by lunatics will never be stopped. Serial killers have been known to kill dozens and even hundreds of victims using knives, by strangulation, and sometimes using gun.

There is no such thing as an "American love affair with the firearm". Where did you get this idea from? Our Constitution allows us to own guns for sport, protection of ourselves and our homes, and as a warning to the government to not push the will of the people too far. In my state of Pennsylvania, which has a population of over 14 million, about 3 million men and boys and a few women too, take to the snowy woods each autumn to track down hunt deer. There are always 3 or 4 who are shot accidently and a few have heart attacks because they are not used to the exercize. Out of any group of 3 million a few will also be killed in car accidents over any given weekend too. Seldom if ever do these 3 million gun owners ever use their guns to harm anyone in acts of violence. The know how to use and respect their guns. Americans are no more "in love with their guns" than the Swiss are. Every Swiss male between the age of 16 and 60 serves in the Swiss reserve Atmy and must be proficient in the use of his guns which he keeps at home ready for an emergency.

This terrible crime in CT was commited by a lunatic. Our inner cities are rampant with crime commited every day by well armed criminals who abuse gun ownership laws and will get them no matter how difficult the government makes it to obtain them.If they can't use guns they will use knives, their hands, poison, or box cutters to kill people.

I don't own a gun but almost all my neighbors (including three Protestant ministers) do because hunting deer, pheasant, grouse, and rabbits, is a traditional sport here. I can't remember the last time someone here was killed by a gun.

It's still part of our culture for boys when they return from school late in the afternoon during hunting season to grab their gun and go hunting deer, pheasant or maybe a grouse which makes a delicious dinner.

Men and their sons can be seen at target practice ranges and skeet shoots on weekends which are sponspored by local sportsmen's clubs.What harm is there in this? None.

With the increased number of illegal Mexican and Central American who bring their brutal gangs into my country and who break into homes and kill individuals and whole families I am thinking of getting a hand gun to protect myself from those criminals who come here and disrupt our peaceful life and I promise you if they break into my home I will shoot to kill.

Next door in West Virginia which has the highest per capita gun ownership of any state in the USA crimes using guns are almost unknown. Guns are part of their culture as sport and for hunting. I know these people and they respect the power of their guns.

A lunatic will kill people with a knife, poisin, a bomb, any way they can. These things are always going to happene because there is evil in the world. It's called original sin.

In Norway last year a mad man armed with guns killed 77 young people. Norway has strict gun laws.

March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.

April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.

Aug. 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.

Let's all say a prayer for these children and adults killed in Connecticut killed by a deranged young man.

Let's not forget his parents who were also killed.

15 December 2012 at 20:36  
Blogger Matt A said...

Let's see if I am right first...

15 December 2012 at 20:36  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...


Here's what I originally posted:

"God of power and mercy,
you have made death itself the gateway to eternal life.

Look with love on our dead brothers and sisters,
and make them one with Your Son in His suffering and death,
that, sealed with the blood of Christ,
they may come before you free from sin.


As for the Inspector, well, we all know he likes to be controversial.

15 December 2012 at 20:43  
Blogger John Magee said...

Dr D

I hate conspiracy theories but there is a story in the news about a NASA computer genius who suspects computer fraud make have given Obama the extrememly close elections in Florida, Pennsylvania,Virginia, and Ohio. He explains that the exist polls do not match up to the election results which they usually do after an election. He smells a rat and expalans how easily voter fraud is using computers and how quickly the act can be destroyed and never discovered.

No matter. We are stuck with this Marxist President who will do his best to ruin the United States of America and it's military and economics system. I hope the rest of the world can live with this. If we fall who will be there to protect them?

Obama's now sending troops and missiles to Turkey. This is the man who was elected by the Norwegian Nobel Commitee who selects recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize each year. They voted to give Obama in 2008 the Nobel Peace Prize BEFORE he was even sworn in as President based on what these morons thought he WOULD do! They did gave to Obama only because he was black.

What an amazing bunch of fools.

The PM's, Presidents, and leaders of a lot of countries should also have received the Nobel Peace Prize after WW II until the USSR collapsed in 1991 for doing everything they could to stop WW III. So far as I know none did. But this "Street organizer" from Chiocago who never worked a day in his life gets it for what he might do

15 December 2012 at 20:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John, one hopes his communication with Carl today will convince you his position on gun ownership in the US is neutral. As the other man pointed out, you don’t get to hear of the potential victims who shot dead an intruder. In the UK, our bleeding heart liberal stance means in a similar situation, an innocent but brave householder is routinely arrested for murder, before common sense kicks in. Makes a fellow roll his eyes each time...

15 December 2012 at 21:02  
Blogger John Magee said...

Ian Cad

I'm not going to doubt Obama's sincerity with the tears.

At least he can shed a few tears and not need a teleprompter to tell him to do so. At least I hope not.

He didn't shed tears for those killed in Benghazi, Libya by Muslim terrorist mobs on 1/11 this year(and NOT by mobs angry about a stupid video that mocked Mohammed). The families who met the coffins along with Obama when the bodies were returned to Washington have a different story to tell about Obama's sincerity. They said he showed no emotion and shook their hands with his hand feeling like a cold dead fish with weak words of sympathy which struck them as cold and insincere. A few were angry and took this message to the media. Keep in mind these people killed begged Obama's White House LIVE for several hours to send help from USA jets and Marine paratroopers in Tripoli and Sicily.
Obama did nothing and let those men, his employees, be killed by mobs of angry Muslims.

He didn't even look emotional when he shook the hand of the wife of the American Ambassador to Libya who's husband had been tortured by the Muslim mob and then sodomized by a broomstick before they killed him.

I would expect this from a man who voted twice to allow babies born in "botched abortions" in the state of Illinois to be set in a room to slowly die from dehydration and starvation with no human to hold them and give them love in their last hours.

15 December 2012 at 21:15  
Blogger Dr.D said...

In reply to MattA, I am a native Texan, currently living out of state, but moving home soon. This last election did it for me. I'm ready to be there when Texas secedes from the USA, this time permanently. We will be a much stronger country without all the rest of the Left Wingers.

15 December 2012 at 21:18  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I watched Obama's performance. It didn't come across as a speech directly from the heart. Every bloody word was a political manipulation. What a scumbag.

15 December 2012 at 21:31  
Blogger Matt A said...

Dr D: You really think Texas will secede? I doubt it, but then I doubted Scotland, and that is now possible, even if a little unlikely.

15 December 2012 at 21:36  
Blogger Dr.D said...

@ MattA:

I am an old man, and I have been living for this all my life. I think there is more reason now than ever before, and a better chance now than ever before. That's why I am going home to push for it. It would be the answer to a dream for me (and a lot of others, too, I think).

15 December 2012 at 21:55  
Blogger Matt A said...

DrD: I wish you well. I have fond memories of Texas from my days at TCU in Fort Worth. God Bless.

15 December 2012 at 22:00  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

If Carl with his muderous ferocity epitomises the average American Christian then the question should not be, why does a situation like this happen, but- why does it not happen more often.
Gun law reform is the tip of the iceberg and will not cure the deep entrenched malaise that infects the nation.

15 December 2012 at 22:39  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Charming as always. You do however extend to me the opportunity to not return evil for evil. Although sometimes I must admit - it is difficult.


15 December 2012 at 22:57  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

It is good to see you attempting a degree of self control carl.Classifying my comment as evil however does reveal your somewhat disturbed mental condition. Hope there is some improvement for Christmas.Don't want to be reading about another massacre, spoiling the holiday period.

16 December 2012 at 00:16  
Blogger John Magee said...


Have you seen the photos of this young man Adam Lanza? He is a skinny kid! He comes from an upper middle class family and is discribed as a loner, highly intelligent, called "weird" by others.Yet was also liked by many,'We would hang out, and he was a good kid. He was smart,' Joshua Milas told the AP. 'He was probably one of the smartest kids I know. He was probably a genius.'

He sounds like almost all of the other mass murderers over the past couple of decades. What do we do? Round up all the lonely, "weird", and smart kids from middle class or wealthy homes who live their lives in the fantasy world of the internet.

What a terrible tragedy. So much grief for so many families and friends just before Christmas.

16 December 2012 at 02:18  
Blogger John Magee said...

Carl jacobs is one of the kindest and most thoughtful persons who visits HG's opinion Blog.

Please, let's not hear him insulted with an insane remark like this :

"your somewhat disturbed mental condition. Hope there is some improvement for Christmas.Don't want to be reading about another massacre, spoiling the holiday period."

16 December 2012 at 02:27  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

John Magee

Thank you for that compliment. It was kind of you. If it weren't for my natural American humility, I am sure it would go to my head. ;)


16 December 2012 at 02:35  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...


..what you should have said is
Carl jacobs is one of the kindest and most thoughtful persons who visits HG'S blog unless it is someone he loathes and then he reserves the right to behave in a contemptuous, vile manner without
recognising any restraint required by civilised decorum.

My remark was not insane it is a perfectly apt response to yet another one of Carl's insulting virulent retorts.My original comment reflects the majority view of the other western countries.Even your own President admits there is something wrong with you all as made evident by the behaviour of Carl and you on this blog site.

16 December 2012 at 03:20  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Cdn said: "Even your own President admits..." Obama speaks for no one but Soros, and perhaps on occasions, himself when permitted to do so. Do not think for one moment that he speaks for America. He is not an American; he hates America and everything it stands for. The feeling is reciprocated; we hate him as well. He cannot pass from the scene soon enough.

16 December 2012 at 03:25  
Blogger Mr. Mcgranor said...

Inspector General, many of you that are for gun control listen to rap music, and fantasize about the mafia.

Well, delinquent gangsters, and organized crime are not --at least vocally espousing-- of gun 'freedom'.

You all would do good to end your socialist sympathies; if you can get enough individuals to take the Magna Carta back from us.

May the cheap shots regarding gun control be seen as what they are.

16 December 2012 at 03:30  
Blogger Mr. Mcgranor said...


May the Lord take vengeance upon those wicked ones.

16 December 2012 at 03:33  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Can you spell 'projection?' Yes, I knew you could. In the meantime, post the links that substantiate your charge. Prove by my own words that I have behaved in a "contemptuous, vile manner without recognising any restraint required by civilised decorum."


16 December 2012 at 03:39  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

You sound as is you conducting some mindless Calvanist evangelist
puritanical' come to jesus bring your cheque book' tv show Carl .Are you a game show host?

You did behave in that manner towards me but in your misogynist
skewed mindset it would not have registered.Get rid of your gun and get a life...preferably a Genuine Christian one.Yes ,you know you've heard of Jesus, the one you purport to follow in your token American fashion.

16 December 2012 at 04:22  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

I did no such thing, Cressida. I assert that I have always treated you exactly as I have on this thread. So call your witnesses to testify against me. If what you say is true, then they should be legion. Everything I have written here, I have written openly. You should have no difficulty in making your case.

Post the link. Prove your charge.


16 December 2012 at 04:35  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Dr D
"He cannot pass the scene soon enough"

Why not? You assassinate Presidents if you don't like them don't you?Plenty of guns and hairtrigger personalities about...a fatal combo!

A lot of Americans must like Obama . He won the election...remember? The Morman lost.

16 December 2012 at 04:37  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Carl jacobs
Post : Daniel Cooper ULU
November 12 20012

carl jacobs
November 14 20012

This was an unprovoked attack on me by you. This may be common parlance in your neck of the woods
but in the real world gratuitous insults are discouraged.

16 December 2012 at 05:03  
Blogger carl jacobs said...



This was an unprovoked attack on me by you.

This is risible. You are the one who called me (among many many many other things) a klansman, remember. Prior to last month. At least twice. Without any evidence. Without any substance. Both times you were called on it by two different Jewish commenters, and yet you refused to recant. Should I ask Avi Barzel to testify to this matter? He will do so. There is nothing unprovoked about my interaction with you.

The comments you referenced were directed at someone whom you had personally abused - abuse I personally witnessed. I was concerned she might actually leave, and wanted to dissuade her from doing so. It was important to me that she learn to see you for what you are. That way she would dismiss your criticisms and ignore you. My comments were a reflection of my observations of your behavior towards me and many others on this weblog. They were accurate. Here is a sampling the things you said on that thread alone:

You are suffering from rabies or mad dog disease obviously in these manifested hallucinations of yours. Too late for a shot. To avoid a long lingering painful demise,keep lord lech standing by; he will bore you to death quickly at least with his litany of dreary wartime seduction fantasies.

Surely it's time for you to move on.How about the Morman faith.They have a good choir.Find a use for that big mouth of yours.

This must be Lord loosa the moronic relative that is allowed of out the attic sometimes to write under LL's avatar.

He has such a strong affection for Hannah ,he has compromised his own integrity by pretending that the discussion of pubes was acceptable so that she would not appear to be the mindless slut that she so patently is.

Fifth of November

And here you see is the preceding conversation that prompted my comments. Here is what you said of note on that thread:

Why don't you know how he is going to vote? That is what your crystal ball is for grotsbag.

The desperate old men on this blog may find your saccharine ingenue performance endearing grotsbag but I find it repugnant. Go Away!Find another obsession.

You do make me laugh too grotsbag. You and your poor impersonation of Lady Muck.

I had to look up the definiton of 'grotsbag.' I had never heard the word before. That's harsh thing to call another woman. And you wonder why I made the comment about shaving heads? You shouldn't.

I could go through any thread on this weblog on which you have posted and produce a similar list. So what is that you said?

This may be common parlance in your neck of the woods but in the real world gratuitous insults are discouraged.

What exactly is an insult in your neck of the woods?


16 December 2012 at 06:11  
Blogger len said...

Perhaps we should be remembering what this post is about.
IF one can resist ad hominem attacks then HG will not have to step in yet again?.

16 December 2012 at 08:31  
Blogger len said...

Perhaps comments should be automatically deleted if any other posted is named?.

I have been guilty of this in the past I hold my hands up to this but if every thread ends up in personal bickering and back stabbing we are in danger of loosing His Grace.

16 December 2012 at 08:37  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

My abusive remarks were retaliatory responses to gratuitous abuse hurled at me initially from this blog and another blog. Of course you have chosen not to publish these to suit your own ends.Typical of a coward, mysogynist and a bully.
I am not surprised that you need guns...words obviously fail you!

16 December 2012 at 08:45  
Blogger IanCad said...

Yes Len , you're right.
HG's blog is a light in this dark world and it means a great deal to me, as, I'm sure, to many others.
We have been warned many times.
When things get personal it is time to back off.
Nothing wrong with dialogue, but let's keep a little dignity.

16 December 2012 at 08:55  
Blogger bluedog said...

Carl, Carl, Carl, is it merely coincidence that the extraordinary tirade from Cressida follows your surgical deconstruction of Laurence Boyce?

An earlier surgical deconstruction that you undertook brought forth an affectionate offer from communicant 'Flossie'.

Isn't the tirade from Cressida the other side of the same coin, only Non, Non, Non means Mais Oui, peut-etre?

A psychiatrist would have a field day observing the different reactions of these ladies to your towering intellect.

Best to ignore rather than to reply.

16 December 2012 at 09:53  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Carl 'grotsbag' was the name of a witch a popular cartoon character in the UK. It is the name that was given to me by your sweet jewish lesbian friend on her blog.Don't allow the truth to get in the way of your vile accusations.

I see you have the moronic geriatric mad dog woofing away as support making lame jokes about your towering intellect LOL. He is a testament to over prescribed medication with a hefty dose of schadenfreude.

As for the relevance of the topic.
This post is about children being murdered because a nation allows 'towering intellects'(smirk)
with hair trigger misfit personalities (like Carl) to bear arms.

16 December 2012 at 10:10  
Blogger Roy said...

I don't know if any good can come out of such an awful tragedy as this. However some lives might be saved in future if these events discourage the idolatrous worship of guns that some Americans indulge in, as shown by those blasphemous comments about "Guns and Jesus" when Sarah Palin was chosen as the Republican Vice Presidential candidate at the election before the last one.

Similarly it might discourage Americans from treating their man-made constitution as if it had been handed down along with the Ten Commandments on Mt Sinai. The provision allowing the right to bear arms might have made sense on the frontier but makes no sense in a modern civilised society.

16 December 2012 at 10:30  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

Helpful post from Peter Hichens --- Mail on Sunday as to the proable causes of these and other such shootings

(I cannot post the link as it does not take you stright there)

By the way, a small point here about the latest appalling school massacre. Once again, I looked for evidence that the shooter might have been taking some sort of medication which might be acting on his brain, and once again, I found it.

The Washington Post, a major liberal newspaper which can generally be relied upon to be scrupulous in its facts, reports as follows about the Sandy Hook mass killer, Adam Lanza, as saying Lanza was ‘A really rambunctious kid, as one former neighbor in Newtown, Conn., recalled him, adding that he was on medication.’

The Post report continues :’ His parents, Nancy and Peter Lanza, separated about a decade ago, and his mother, a kindergarten teacher at Sandy Hook, remained in the family’s home with her sons, Adam and Ryan Lanza, according to Ryan Kraft, 25, who was a neighbor.

‘The separation hit the children hard, Kraft recalled.

‘When Nancy Lanza would go out to dinner with friends, she sometimes relied on Kraft to watch Adam Lanza, who was too boisterous for Ryan Lanza to manage. “He would have tantrums,” Kraft said. “They were much more than the average kid [had].” Yet he was not prone to violence, Kraft said.

‘“The kids seemed really depressed” by the breakup, Kraft said of the Lanza brothers.’

‘Slate’ Magazine repeats some of the Washington Post account but gives it some extra context : ‘One thing everyone seems to be able to agree on is that Lanza likely had some sort of mental disability or developmental disorder. One law enforcement official tells the Associated Press Adam Lanza might have suffered from a personality disorder and the New York Times reports that several who knew Lanza in high school had been told he had Asperger’s syndrome, a high functioning form of autism.

‘It certainly seems he had several tell-tale signs of the disorder, often making those around him nervous because he was painfully shy and seemed to struggle to be social and form connections with people. It was evident Lanza “had a condition,” a neighbor tells the New York Post. “You definitely notice it,” he added. Lanza was “kind of, like, needy. I wouldn’t say antisocial, but struggling to be social.” One “family insider” tells the New York Daily News Lanza “was a deeply disturbed kid,” who “had major issues” and “was subject to outbursts.” A 25-year-old neighbor who sometimes watched Adam Lanza when his mother would go out with friends said he was on medication, reports the Washington Post.’

I hope that reporters on the spot pursue this angle actively, rather than yet another futile wail in favour of ‘gun control’ . People said to be suffering from Asperger’s syndrome are frequently dosed with medications, including SSRI antidepressants.

Guns, as I have repeatedly said, have been freely available in the USA for centuries. Shootings followed by suicides, of this sort, were rare in that country until the era of modern medication for mental illness, and there is a strong correlation (yes, I know, correlation is not causation) between such shootings and the use of these medications. Until the media take more interest in this correlation, we won’t get the proper inquiry into it that we so badly need. Why anyone should be against such an inquiry, I cannot imagine."


16 December 2012 at 10:31  
Blogger IanCad said...

CDN @ 22:39 wrote:

"If Carl with his muderous ferocity epitomises the average American Christian--"

An interesting point that does need addressing.

There is within American society a deep fearfulness combined with a fertile imagination and a penchant for cruelty to both man and beast.
The sorry specimens who participate in risk free shooting of animals for sport(not for the table) are also usually advocates for extreme punishment and even torture.
We must remember that Americans are primarily German with the tendency toward paranoia, conformity and subservience to authority attendant on the race.
It is the USA's immense good fortune that the British got there first and from that stock their Constitution and Bill of Rights budded.
Believe me it wouldn't happen today.

16 December 2012 at 10:43  
Blogger Roy said...

Naomi wrote:

But then Obama is a Sunni muslim and if one accepts that, ALL of his foreign policy makes sense.

I doubt if many Sunni muslims are in favour of gay marriage. The idea of conspiracy theorists having easy access to guns is frightening.

16 December 2012 at 10:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Mr McGranor. You are another chap who’s flying off the handle over the right to bear arms. Nowhere will you find this man stating you MUST have gun control. It is an American institution, and up to American’s to decide whether or not to continue it. As for ‘socialist sympathies’ from the Inspector, the very idea !

Another observation if you will. How many of the victims parents are advocates of the right to bear arms. Surely for those in that category, there must be a certain amount of grieving mixed with guilt...

16 December 2012 at 11:21  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Your Grace,

This is a terrible tragedy and as you as say no words, but prayer and the time for grief.

16 December 2012 at 11:30  
Blogger Berserker said...

Followers of Sherlock Holmes might well remember that Watson and Holmes both carried guns as did their criminal adversaries.

Anyone could buy a gun in Victorian times. You did not need police authorisation or registration. The Marquis of Salisbury thought their should be a rifle in every home. In fact, surprisingly the Upper Classes were all for arming hoi polloi, probably as result of the worry that our general defensive capabilities of GB were on the slide.

I do not believe there were excessive murder rates because of this liberal attitude.

It all changed after the Great war with the Gun Laws of 1920. England was in a state of chaos between 1918 - 1921 - not just the flu, typhus and sleeping sickness epidemics but because in the last months of the war revolts by the troops were commonplace. There were also three police strikes. The great fear was with the Russian Civil War raging and the civil unrest in Ireland and the disgust of the men returning from the trenches in their inability to get work that Communism would be a potent force.

16 December 2012 at 11:37  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

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16 December 2012 at 11:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Berserker is quite correct. Gun crime was stamped on hard during the early 1950s. During the war, army officers were expected to purchase their own service revolver which they retained on leaving the service. In the late 1940s, the special training that troops underwent during the war was put to bad use with an explosion of house breaking. For a number of years, stolen revolvers circulated around the criminal underworld in vast numbers.

However, society had the great benefit of hanging in place for murder, and the old lags would search the young types going out on a job for a weapon lest they all hang together under the convention of ‘common purpose’...

16 December 2012 at 11:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Fellows it is true. If you need to rely on ad hominem, your argument is weak. Weak arguments are not appreciated here, so come back when your argument is stronger...

16 December 2012 at 12:00  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

It is no surprise that you have once again broken your word. I was not engaging you. You egocentric nature cannot resist involving yourself in any dialogue I engage in. Your statements are the usual lies ad nauseum.If intelligent debate is in then you had better
zip it instead of launching into your mindless attacks on me..I conduct myself here in a far better way than you or your disgraceful cronies do.You move in a group like all bullies and cowards do..I stand alone and defend myself without support..not the stance of bully.

16 December 2012 at 12:25  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Madam. Our armistice is over a month old, and the Inspector has no wish to break it. Have pity on this man !

16 December 2012 at 12:30  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

My comment was not meant for you Inspector. There is no reason why we cannot keep this mutual stand off up indefinitely.Perhaps you could keep sweet thing on a short leash until the end of the Christian festive season.

16 December 2012 at 12:49  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Only 9 more days until we celebrate our Saviour's birth.

Isn't the growing sense of peace and harmony wonderful.

16 December 2012 at 12:53  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Well if you are a jew there is nothing special about this occasion so no customary restraints need apply(obviously)

16 December 2012 at 13:01  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Dodo,

I am feeling quite peaceful and in harmony with myself. If only others could feel the same way and not project their own insecurities onto everyone else... sticks and stones and all that, but alas some people can't restrain themselves.

16 December 2012 at 14:30  
Blogger Mr. Mcgranor said...

Cressida de Nova, you and your ilk are nothing but the collapse of Western civilization. After it has all came down--you will have no place to go.

16 December 2012 at 15:20  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Oh dear...sounds as if it is time to gather your guns and go massacre a few hundred people in the name of Jesus, McGranor. What's under the hat ,hand grenades?

16 December 2012 at 15:43  
Blogger Brian West said...

Cressida, PLEASE behave yourself. I'm on the point of leaving this site and not coming back for a few weeks; or will you promise to restrain yourself and your language?


16 December 2012 at 15:54  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Has it occured to you to ask the others to restrain themselves. If not,why not? Rather discriminatory don't you think? I'm curious to know how your leaving for a few weeks will affect anyone adversely?

16 December 2012 at 16:09  
Blogger John Magee said...

Ian cad

"The sorry specimens who participate in risk free shooting of animals for sport(not for the table) are also usually advocates for extreme punishment and even torture.

We must remember that Americans are primarily German with the tendency toward paranoia, conformity and subservience to authority attendant on the race."

If you want to see animal cruelty spend a day at a local abattoir. How many people think of the horrors animals endure in those places when they purchase their delicious roast or porks chops nicely packaged at the market?

I'm not sure what you mean by "risk free sport" or by "sorry specimens" in the USA. In my small town these "sorry specimens" (hunters) include lawyers, coal miners, farmers, doctors, ministers, professors at the university, teachers, garbage collectors, boys, girls, etc. All of them respect guns and respect the woods and country side they hunt in. They are not the stereotypes you seem to believe exist from watching too many modern Hollywood movies that stereotype rural or suburban USA. Hollywood liberals hate the USA between New York City and Los Angeles. Just as they hare religion. In fact Obama insulted people in my state in 2007 making fun of "god fearing hunters".

Every hunter I knows eats what he/she shoots. That is an unwritten rule of 98% of the hunters in the USA. We do not hunt with "beaters" and our hunters have a limit of how many aninals they can kill. One deer per season. They gut and prepare the animals they shoot and don't have their "servants" (LOL) do the dirty work for them.

It seem to recall there is a great deal of hunting that takes place at Balmoral and other estates in Scotland each autumn. Correct?

I would also remind you of all those rooms in the great houses of Britain full of the heads of animals, skulls, stuffed carcasses, and rugs of bears and other animals on the floors of these castles and manor houses shot by wealthy aristocrats. They could afford to go on safari's to Africa, India, and other exotic places to hunt for "pleasure" and truly as a blood sport. My neighbors and the farmers here hunt for the challenge of the hunt, for the meat they enjoy, and to keep the animals population from growing and starving during the winter. They are not aristocrats out for a weekend hunt at some grand estate shooting thousands of birds and animals. Wasn't this part of rural British culture for the rich until recently. Or many it still is I don't know.

Yes, there are almost as many German surnames in the USA as in Germans who came to my state, Pennsylvania, we Amish and Mennonites from Southern Germany and they were and still are pacifists. The German work ethic helped make the USA great. What's wrong with that? The largest surname group in the USA is the combined total of names from the British Isles.

Aren't most people in England today descendents of the Angles and the Saxons? Who were the Saxons? Didn't they come from what is now part of Northern Germany? There are Lander (states) in Germany today called "Saxony" (Lower Saxony and Saxony Anhalt). The Angles came from what is now Denmark. I believe parts of southern Denmark and the German Lander Schleswig Holstein were once populated by these Germanic peoples.

It seems to me the Germanic Angles and Saxons helped put the "Great" in Great Britain.

Your present Royal Family before 1917 was called the royal house from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.

Coburg and Gotha are small towns in Germany.

Queen Victoria spoke English with a slight German accent and in German when alone with her husband Prince Albert and their children...

16 December 2012 at 17:08  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

You're a feisty lady Cressida and no mistake! And, as you know, I am not an Israelite - except in the broadest Christian sense.

You broke the armistice between yourself and Cressida. Carl is more than capable of standing up for himself.

16 December 2012 at 18:25  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Biblical literalists - turn away now!

There's a little known story each year God selects a species to fly around the world announcing the arrival of His son and announcing 'Peace on Earth'.

This year He has selected the Dodo.

Following a Health and Safety assessment, I shall not be flying over the USA - far too dangerous with all those hunting guns around!

The sub-text this year to the message is:

Extinction is Forever

16 December 2012 at 18:27  
Blogger John Magee said...


You are much too articulate and clever to waste your time on biting sarcasm and insulting others here. I wish I had your writing skills, intelligence, and other talents which are obvious in your posts when you aren't trying to be mean.

If you could sometimes direct your verbal gifts and writing skills into humor you would be much more effecive.

Pax Vobiscum


Please give one example of anything I ever said that was "racist". Don't cast up Obama because I loath his Marxism and other left wing political views which he is using to try and destroy my country. I care nothing about his being half black. In the past I've supported black conservatives and will vote for a black who shares my traditional values anyday over a white left wing liberal.

Any criticism I post here of blacks and how they have destroyed themselves over the past 50 years using drugs, the breakup of their family, gang violence,80% birth rate of single mothers with no father around, blaming whites for all their problems, etc, etc is to help them help themselves and stop the blame game and playing the race card which will not solve their terrible problems which are causing them so much self inflicted misery. The government has bent over backwards since the 1950's to help blacks and they are worse off as a group then ever. Why?

16 December 2012 at 19:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Hannah. Race is a fascinating subject. For example, as John says, why do blacks in certain areas live in self imposed misery. Why do muslim men consider it acceptable to kill their daughters. Why are the Chinese gambling mad. Why can’t Finnish men have a social drink and not get slammed. All race you know.

Of course race hatred is a different matter. But you are unlikely to find a race hating man able to elegantly argue his point...

16 December 2012 at 20:21  
Blogger IanCad said...

John Magee,

Your long post gives me pause.
My scatter gun approach did not reflect well and I stand chastised.

It would appear that there are parallels in the hunting ethics of the sturdy Pennsylvanians you cite and the Royals and well-heeled of this country.
Both hunt for food or crop protection. No objections from me there.
I was refering in my post to the large number who hunt for the thrill of killing a helpless animal. Whether they be those who drive along the roads and shoot anything that moves, or failing that, road signs; or the well-off who get their kicks from shooting more exotic game.

I should have balanced my generalities regarding the negative characteristics of the Germans with their better attributes; namely, self discipline, fortitude and intensity of purpose, although the latter is, essentially, a feminine trait.
I stand by my claim that the liberties of your land, so hard won, would not be fought for today.
Were any great sentiment present for Constitutional adherence Ron Paul would be president today.

16 December 2012 at 20:25  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Please remember that the United States is not composed of Brits, and Germans, and Irish, and Poles and Africans and Mexicans. We are Americans. My ethnic composition is Swedish and German and Irish and French and whatnot. All of it several generations removed. What residual European traits then attach to me? Unless you want to argue that there are racial characteristics inherent in nationhood, then your attribution of 'Germanic traits' to me and other Americans is logical nonsense. They have long since been submerged in the culture of the United States.


16 December 2012 at 21:02  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

The harrassment and constant attacks on me are becoming very tedious.Up to this point I have been very good natured in dealing with this matter but my patience is wearing thin. If this continues I will be forced to stamp my feet petulantly and leave this blog forever !( at least 24 hours)

16 December 2012 at 22:15  
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16 December 2012 at 22:18  
Blogger Henry said...

On threads like this, the best advice is to not feed the trolls. Dr D is a troll. He should be ignored.

16 December 2012 at 22:57  
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17 December 2012 at 00:19  
Blogger Che Yeoh said...

To get back to the subject -

Gun control isn't going to stop all massacres. It's not going to stop mental health problems arising from the way we live or the medicines we take. It would probably however, mean fewer massacres due to reduced availability, fewer domestic murders which in this country would probably be a domestic incident without a death and fewer shooting accidents where children are picking up guns lying about a house. It would also go some way to changing peoples' attitudes to gun ownership, as something that was a privilege and not a right. Surely it is worth a try.

17 December 2012 at 00:21  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Che Yeoh said...

"To get back to the subject -
Gun control - Gun control ... "

Er, no, that wasn't the subject. Read the article!

It simply said:
"No words.
A time to mourn."

17 December 2012 at 00:54  
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17 December 2012 at 03:11  
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17 December 2012 at 04:20  
Blogger John Magee said...

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17 December 2012 at 06:42  
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17 December 2012 at 07:13  
Blogger IanCad said...

Carl wrote:

"Unless you want to argue that there are racial characteristics inherent in nationhood---"

Indeed that is my point particularly in the sense that the terms "Racial" and "Cultural" are, in this discussion, to a degree, synonomous.

Although exact numbers are hard to establish, it is estimated that between fifty and seventy per cent of the US population is of German ancestry.
As the predominant stock the characteristics thereof are bound to be reflected in the population today. That is, unless no merit is attached to inheritance.

To preempt any suggestion of racism on my part by omitting mention of Africans and Mexicans, let me state that they have retained (either through choice or pejudice) a great deal of homogeneity. Consequently their influence within the corridors of power does not reflect upon their numbers.

Let me offer a poor illustration relating to this subject:

In the UK you may cross the road when and wherever you choose. Maybe some honking of horns or glares will result. That will be all.

In Germany an expensive ticket and a stern lecture will be given.

In the USA for such an infraction you could be arrested and, possibly, even beaten up by the police, as in the case of the eminent historian Felipe Fernandez-Armesto.

17 December 2012 at 08:35  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"In Germany an expensive ticket and a stern lecture will be given."

More often than not there is opprobrium from members of the public too.

17 December 2012 at 08:43  
Blogger IanCad said...


Thanks for the kind words. They will set me up for the day ahead.


And how they do!!
I forgot about that.

17 December 2012 at 09:01  
Blogger len said...

This indeed not a time for is a time for action.

Public ownership of guns should be restricted to gun clubs and no weapons should be allowed to leave the premises of the gun club.
Surely this would be a small price to pay if it prevented even one more tragedy like this happening?.

17 December 2012 at 18:39  
Blogger Che Yeoh said...


if we do not discuss gun control when 26 children are shot dead, when do you propose we discuss it?

17 December 2012 at 22:16  
Blogger John Magee said...

carl jacobs

Why are Asian Americans at the top of the education and economic ladder usually withing two generations after emigrating here from poverty in their homelands often as war refugees?

Is it by accident large sections of our cities, which only a generation or two ago were beautiful neighborhoods, where crime didn't exist resemble West African cess pools today?

It's all about personal responsibility, a two parent family, respect for education, self discipline, religious faith,not asking for the government to give you a living, and pride of accomplishment. These are the things Obama should be talking about to black people instead of promising them free goodies from "redistribution of wealth" and stealing from those who work and giving the fruits of their labor to those who refuse to work or think the government owes them everything.

The welfare state put blacks back on the plantation living off the government and having Uncle Sam as their new plantation owner only he doesn't ask them to work. He just asks them take welfare checks and food stamps then vote for liberal Democrats. That's all that "Mastah" Obama and the new welfare state plantation overseeer's ask from their welfare slaves and in return someday soon they will get their "fair share" of wealth redistribution too.

Remember this quote from John F. Kennedy's inauguration speech on January 20, 1961: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"?

I wish liberal's would remember what their great hero said almost 52 years ago about personal responsibility.

17 December 2012 at 23:22  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Che Yeoh said...
if we do not discuss gun control when 26 children are shot dead, when do you propose we discuss it?

Two threads up, my good fellow; two threads up.

18 December 2012 at 00:18  
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