Thursday, January 24, 2013

EU Referendum: who will speak officially for 'Out'?

As might have been expected, the reaction to the Prime Minister's announcement of an In/Out referendum on UK membership of the EU has divided opinion - among both sceptics and philes; politicians, economists, journalists and bloggers. Some say it is a watershed moment in British political history; others that it's a ruse, a sham, a bribe simply to increase David Cameron's chances of re-election in 2015 (not to mention a complete deflection from the whole 'gay marriage' saga about to be unleashed upon Parliament).

All of this was entirely predictable: we've been lied to for 40 years, so it's really no surprise that the Father of Lies should be aroused to crush the glimmer of national salvation. But let us be clear about one thing: UK membership of the EEC was ratified by referendum of the people in 1975: it can only be undone by a further referendum. David Cameron has now promised that referendum, and only he is ever likely to be in a position to deliver on that promise.

You may not trust him because of his previous 'cast iron guarantee' on the Lisbon Treaty, but there were complex reasons for that U-turn, not least the post-ratification context of the 2010 general election. Do not forget that he pledged to take his MEPs out of the federalist EPP grouping in the European Parliament, and he delivered on that. A bit later than promised, certainly, but he delivered. Nigel Farage will not be prime minister in 2015. Neither will Nick Clegg. The choice will be between the Conservatives - who will bring draft legislation to re-negotiate with the EU, and a manifesto commitment to a referendum - and Labour, who yesterday appeared to rule out both.

You may loathe Cameron and despise the Conservatives. You may not trust or believe either, with very good reason. But if you really want to act in the national interest in order to have a hope of restoring national sovereignty and our ancient liberties, you will need to hold your nose in 2015 and vote Tory.

The Prime Minister has made it clear that he will campaign for the 'In' side. And that is an entirely honourable position, notwithstanding that his 'In' appears not to be contingent on the success or otherwise of his re-negotiated settlement. But let us be clear, if that settlement does not include - as a minimum - repatriated control over borders, fishing, employment, welfare and social policy, justice and human rights, then there cannot be the 'flexibility' he demands. And that will mean that David Cameron will have failed in his negotiations. And that will be more likely to incline the people to vote 'Out'.

Except that the Government, Church, Crown, BBC, Guardian, FT and the entire Establishment will be pouring their time, money and concerted effort into the 'In' campaign. They will be slick, organised and professional. The Prime Minister will campaign alongside the Leader of the Opposition (and the 'third party' LibDems), and the media will fawn at their statesmanlike feet, lapping up every word of their economic obfuscation and political lies. But at least their campaign of deception will be united, and the BBC will know whom to call when they want a spokesperson to argue passionately, intelligently an knowledgeably for the 'In' side.

But who will speak for 'Outers'? Seriously, who will answer the phone for the 'Out' campaign? UKIP? The Democracy Movement? Nigel Farage MEP? The Freedom Association? Dan Hannan MEP? Douglas Carswell MP? The European Foundation? Bill Cash MP? Dr Richard North? Open Europe? Better Off Out? The Bruges Group? The Express? The People's Pledge? Conservatives Against a Federal Europe? Global Vision? The Campaign for an Independent Britain? Peter Bone MP? Mrs Bone?

You see the problem. While the 'Inners' will be disciplined, coordinated and united in their quest, the 'Outers' consist of a ragbag of 'swivel-eyed nutters', 'right-wing xenophobes', 'eccentric little-Englanders', not to mention the 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists'. And (here's the important point) most of them simply can't stand the sight of each other. There's backbiting, distrust and an entire dung-heap of mutual loathing.

If the 'Outers' are to have any chance of winning in 2017, there needs to be cohesive planning and preparation for victory. But even UKIP can’t coalesce around a single political strategy, with its own (few) elected politicians resigning, defecting and demanding a change of leader. The anti-EU movement is defined by that to which it is antithetical: there is no unifying movement towards any positive vision, and that includes even the idea of a referendum. In truth, there are some very prominent individuals who are so unyielding in their infallible opinions and uncompromising in their dispositions that unity of purpose is an impossible ask: the contempt they have for others is palpable. Even the arch-Eurosceptic Bill Cash MP has been heard to criticise the arch proponent of 'Better Off Out' Douglas Carswell MP - for having 'extreme views' on the EU. And His Grace won't go into what Dr North thinks of Dan Hannan, or speculate on what Mrs Bone dreams about Nigel Farage. 

As far as the 'Outers' are concerned, we not only have the People's Front of Judaea and the Judaean People's front, but the Front and Rear of the People Faffing Around about Semantics in Samaria while the occupation and destruction of Judaea continues apace. The BBC simply won't have a clue whom to phone at which legally-constituted organisation to ensure that the contrary view is expressed fairly and impartially.

We've seen it all before, and very recently. We were told time and again before the AV referendum that there was a ‘progressive majority’ in favour of electoral reform; that the people wanted change, a different politics, a fairer system, a more democratic method of electing their representatives. After decades of wailing and wandering in the wilderness, the Liberal Democrats got their manna and quail.

But they blew the holy grail.

The pro-AV campaign was disunited, poorly articulated, badly led, painfully patronised and hopelessly disorganised. Against all that, its generous and credible funding went absolutely nowhere.

Similarly, on the matter of an EU referendum, we are told time and again that in excess of 50 per cent of the nation would vote to leave the EU tomorrow. And so those who yearn for liberation have demanded a referendum, which has now been proposed. Despite the chronic divisions in the ‘Out’ camp, the demand is still for this strategy – the success of which would be wholly contingent upon unity, charismatic leadership, creative strategy, credible patronage and very generous funding.

And Sir James Goldsmith is, very sadly, no longer with us.

Let us not forget that the 1975 referendum on the UK’s continuing membership of the EEC was held at a time when previous polls had suggested a clear majority in favour of withdrawal. That poll was overturned by charismatic politicians, cross-party consensus, an unequally-funded campaign, clever marketing and the erosion of reason by omnipotent pro-EEC forces. We saw it again (and again) in Denmark over the Maastricht Treaty; in France over the Constitution for Europe; and in Ireland over the Lisbon Treaty: if ‘No’ is not an option, ‘Out’ becomes be an unthinkable heresy.

His Grace despairs, and cannot for the life of him work out why those who have long demanded a referendum are not already planning, plotting, scheming, strategising and preparing for victory. Instead, as seen on this blog yesterday, there is cynicism, apathy, contempt and distrust. Where is the media onslaught of the beneficial consequences of our leaving the EU? Let us hear of falling taxes, reduced burdens on business, rising employment, increased standards of living, and a prosperous UK as part of EFTA, the Commonwealth and the free-trade world. Instead of deploying the language of defeat, let us hear talk of ‘Freedom’, 'Democracy', ‘Prosperity’ and ‘Britain in the World’.

Yet getting even that unified message out of anti-EU organisations is like herding cats. The Europhile Establishment is vastly more experienced and far more advanced in strategic thinking. The 'Outers' need to meet immediately, bury their differences, swallow their pride and dispense with their egos. God forbid that a self-appointed elite might already have conspired in secret to determine the future course, and presumed to decide among themselves who will speak officially on behalf of all 'Outers'. Such unilateralism can only serve to entrench obstinate positions and perpetuate the chronic divisions. If the Church of England has to step in to chair a summit of peace, reconciliation and cooperation, His Grace is ready and willing.


Blogger Naomi King said...

As Nigel Farage said yesterday the genie is out of the bottle and without UKIP it would not have happened. Praise God.

24 January 2013 at 08:27  
Blogger David B said...

Cranmer's Law:
"It hath been found by experience that no matter how decent, intelligent or thoughtful the reasoning of a conservative may be, as an argument with a liberal is advanced, the probability of being accused of ‘bigotry’, ‘hatred’ or ‘intolerance’ approaches 1 (100%).”

I accept that there is sometimes a degree of hyperbole when liberals have vigorous discussions with conservatives, and that such accusations are sometimes misplaced.

I might propose some sort of corollary to the effect that -

David B's law
"It hath been found by experience that no matter how decent, intelligent or thoughtful the reasoning of a liberal may be, as an argument with a liberal is advanced, the probability of being accused of ‘Marxism’, or ‘intolerance’ approaches 1 (100%).”

Needs further work and fine tuning, but as it is there seems to me some truth resides there even as it stands.

But, more relevant to this particular thread, it does seem a real problem to the outers that some sections of the groups that HG urges to unite are perceived, I think rightly, as genuine intolerant racist bigots, and as such there is a reluctance for many decent people to want to ally themselves to them.

David B

24 January 2013 at 09:07  
Blogger IanCad said...

I see nothing in Nigel Farage's grandstanding that would merit praising The Almighty.
He has given the Inners the opportunity to make sure we stay in. Believe me, any referendum will ensure that.
No, the forces of community are too strong. We of a Libertarian bent are by or nature lousy organizers, thus the battle falls to the Conservative Party. The grass roots must agitate for a change at the top and to return candidate selection to the local associations.

24 January 2013 at 09:24  
Blogger James Reade said...

"reduced burdens on business" from being outside?!

Don't make me laugh. All the "burdens" from Brussels will be replaced with ones from Westminster, and you'll increase the difficulty for firms hiring the best workers they choose for the job since you'll restrict immigration further.

Right wingers never adequately justify the glaring contradiction in their position. Always railing on about red tape and restrictions firms, and about the culture of entitlement, yet you oppose immigration.

Immigration is a huge cost upon businesses as they can't choose the best worker for the job (or if they do they're faced with endless bureaucracy), and furthermore it promotes entitlement since you protect lazy Brits doing the jobs that a hard working immigrant would happily do.

Oppose red tape? Oppose the entitlement culture? Then oppose restrictions on immigration - anything else is completely inconsistent.

24 January 2013 at 09:29  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

For all we know this might be a moot point anyway- if Scotland votes to be independent then the whole EU/British in/out will take on a life of its own.

But, assuming the status quo and the UK stays at it is :

I think His Grace makes an important point when he refers to the ratification of EU (or rather EEC) membership by the electorate in 1975. The important point is that there was 15 years or more of national debate, French vetoes and Parliamentary debate, following by negotiations with the Europeans on the package of what people were told was a free trade agreement. Then, when labour came to power Harold Wilson was forced to put this to a vote.

So today, Cameron might have got more plaudits for saying he'd discuss with European governments a plan to exit from the EU and on what terms, once these discussions had finished and put through Parliament(technically a referendum is not needed as we are a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy) and then followed by a ratified vote- do you want to exit the EU on a free trade agreement basis yes or no? That would win by a landslide.

24 January 2013 at 09:57  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

Who will lead the campaign to get Britain out the EU? Why the current French foreign Minister perhaps ? :

24 January 2013 at 09:58  
Blogger Gary said...

The elephant in the room (for me, at least) remains the redefinition of marriage, and that, far more than anything else, convinces me that Cameron and co are unfit for office.

24 January 2013 at 10:08  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Well said Gary ... "Cameron and co are unfit for office."

This is truly shocking...from the Spectator yesterday.

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that David Cameron and Nick Clegg have an agreed strategy: that it is important not to tell the truth about how much debt their government is saddling voters with.

There view, at best, is that deception is no bad thing. Financiers are, quite literally, prosecuted for this kind of thing.

Only 6 per cent of the public realise that the national debt is still rising and fast. Why might this be? Is it because the Cabinet – even the Prime Minister himself – keep telling them that it’s falling?

The truth is David Cameron’s policy is to increase Britain’s debt by 60 per cent.

Mr Cameron’s policy is to increase Britain’s debt more over five years than Labour did over 13 years !

Just yesterday, we learned the national debt had hit £1,111 billion and it’s heading to £1,400 billion.

However the Conservative party election broadcast just yesterday is so astonishingly dishonest that it really would have disgraced Gordon Brown. In it, the Prime Minister tells an outright lie. He says:-

“So though this government has had to make some difficult decisions, we are making progress. We’re paying down Britain’s debts.”

Cameron won’t be paying this debt back – the voters will. Ministers really do have a moral duty to be honest with the people who will be repaying the debts they are running up on our behalf. The Prime Minister has a greater duty than anyone.

When Mr Cameron claimed debt was falling on an ITV sofa recently, you might have put it down to a slip of the tongue. But on a carefully-scripted party election broadcast it is nothing more than a rehearsed lie.

Here is the full Conservative Party Political Broadcast launched yesterday, entitled "Is this country going in the right direction? (Party Political Broadcast)"

24 January 2013 at 10:48  
Blogger Madasafish said...

As with the OUT campaign , so with the campaigners.

Where is the OUT's campaign economic analysis showing us where the economy will grow when we are OUT?

Where are the lists of industries which will prosper?

Where are the rebuttals to the claims that Financial Services - which contribute 15% of the UK tax take - will be decimated when EC countries remove their Euro and FX business to Frankfurt - as they surely will?

The OUT campaign is an intellectual and leadership shambles with no clear idea of economic policy outside the EC.

You only need to look at the character of many of the key OUT supporters. The late Mr Glodsmith, Bill Cash, etc - to say they com across as headbangers is an exaggeration but their appeal to normal everyday voters is rather limited.

As for UKIP? Where is their economic policy? They have none..

So I treat the OUT campaign with the seriousness and gravity it deserves and will vote In for the fear of being run by people who frankly have no ability to run an OUT campaign - let alone the country.

24 January 2013 at 11:05  
Blogger Brian West said...

Gary 10:08

Given the current preoccupation with our future in or out of the EU, there is indeed a risk that attention will be diverted from the government's intention to redefine marriage, which is, I assert, THE most important matter of the day - BAR NONE.


24 January 2013 at 11:07  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Blatant electioneering. And I wouldn't trust him as far as a louse could throw him.

24 January 2013 at 11:31  
Blogger DP said...

Your Grace

I will speak for the OUT campaign. I and millions of others in the UK who resent the EU yoke and our venal, lying political classes.

We do not need a referendum to overturn the 1975 referendum, which was on the Common Market, not the EU and promoted with official lies.

All that is required is the repeal of the 1972 Act. A UKIP government would do that in an instant.

May your congregation join us and be the new politics free from corruption and deceit.


24 January 2013 at 12:08  
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24 January 2013 at 12:10  
Blogger Kingbingo said...

Your Grace, the ONLY reason Cameron is doing this is because he had to, as a result of UKIP pressure. If he really wanted to give people a choice the referendum would be on the same day as the General election.

If you vote UKIP in 2015, it may mean you don't get a referendum in 2015, but you will get one in 2021, when a new Tory government, freshly merged with UKIP under a new leader wins office.

24 January 2013 at 12:15  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


Naomi King has posted the relevant link already (and it's a point which has been further picked up this morning, and no doubt will continue to do so).

My question to you is simple: why should we take the word of a man on one subject when he is deceiving us simultaneously on another?

Or is this merely a case of "complex reasons" coming to the fore, where our political masters must tell us one thing, and withhold the truth for our own good, and on a basis we lesser mortals cannot possibly hope to understand?

24 January 2013 at 13:01  
Blogger Naomi King said...

I think the point is that they (aka David Cameron) are not ashamed of lying anymore.

24 January 2013 at 13:18  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace wrote;
'But if you really want to act in the national interest in order to have a hope of restoring national sovereignty and our ancient liberties, you will need to hold your nose in 2015 and vote Tory'.
I will never vote for any party that introduces SSM. If we stay in the EU it will eventually be SSM by order of the EU.
Kingbing rightly suggested that the referendum could be held on Election Day 2015. That way it would not be dependent on Cameron winning the election. But then, that’s not opportunistic for him is it?

24 January 2013 at 13:37  
Blogger Charles Dawne said...

Your Grace,

You write a lot of sense on all things except on those of your beloved Tory party when your true colours ooze through.

Cameron is playing to the gallery and hoping to win back his lost flock. No chance - he has proven himself to be dishonest and part of the new Political Class.

The people of Britain can have a referendum in 2015 by voting UKIP - not "holding their nose" and voting for a party that will continue to rub their nose in excrement.

24 January 2013 at 13:41  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

I hope, Mrs King, you won't mind a small piece of cutting and pasting of your excellent comment as a tribute:

"I think the point is that they (aka David Cameron) are not ashamed of lying anymore."

Nail. Head. Hit.

24 January 2013 at 14:06  
Blogger John Knox's lovechild said...

It is not true, constitutionally at least, that a referendum is required to undo the 1975 referendum. Parliament may at any point rescind the European Communities Act.

I am surprised that a Conservative is resorting to the use of a referendum.

On the substance of the thing, it is difficult to see how one can simultaneously call on 26 other countries to amend the treaties and at the same time insist on further opt outs from those same treaties.

We insist you change the rules but they will not apply to us.

It will end in tears.

24 January 2013 at 14:13  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Dear AiB I love your tribute but so SAD that it is true.

David Cameron is worse than an Opportunist he is a Deceiver.

Very interesting links to the Spectator, thanks to AiB, about David Cameron lying to us over the National Debt and only yesterday too !

Correspondents may remember that I made it personally, along with His Grace, to the front page of Pink News when I said Mr Cameron's then PPS, now Whip, Desmond Swayne MP denied the assurance he gave me in the Palace of Westminster in February last year, that the homosexual so called 'marriage' idea would be "Kicked into Touch". If the Monkey can lie his Organ Grinder most certainly does.

I once heard Tony Blair speak at a large Christian Leadership conference (why he was there I can't imagine other than to promote himself which was hardly appropriate). What came across was a huge ego and self satisfaction. With Mr Cameron what comes across is slippery and dishonest.

Cameron is not even pretending to be Christian and as we all know, if you are not a follower of Jesus Christ then you are sold out to the Devil. It is as simple and stark as that my Friends.

Trust him at your peril, he is leading us into darkness.

24 January 2013 at 15:20  
Blogger Owl said...

YG, with all respect, this seems to be a similar argument that you used in the run up to the last election.

Dave is just not an honest man.

There will be no "out" with Dave.

Many of us see the writing on the wall but you are still attempting to sell him as the "least worse" alternative while having a dig at UKIP at the same time.

We know from experience that this way (third) doesn't work.

It appears to be flogging a dead horse.

Dave is dead and even your celestial self cannot resurrect him.

Dave represents all the the post modern pseudo, fabianesque politicians that we are currently lumbered with.

We don't want any of them, not even the "least worse" of their ilk.

I think you will find that apathy is changing to anger with every lie that comes out.

My mother once told me never to trust anyone who show their bottom teeth when talking. Just look at that picture. Maybe I shouldn't have inwardly laughed at her in my ignorance. Wisdom perhaps, does come from experience.

24 January 2013 at 15:34  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

" as we all know, if you are not a follower of Jesus Christ then you are sold out to the Devil. It is as simple and stark as that my Friends".

Yessss Naomi King, anyone who isn't a Christian is totally unfit for high office then?

Or perhaps more logically the case could be made that Cameron is frankly out of his depth as a Prime Minister, is not really philosophically a Conservative and makes short term political decisions over and above the welfare of the UK. Perhaps that is the problem, rather than Cameron's religious affiliation.

24 January 2013 at 15:48  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Tewit te Woo. You are so right in your comment. Keep it up and one day His Grace may get it.

24 January 2013 at 15:51  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Europe is a monolith in fact and (more importantly) in the minds of people; it is simply and universally assumed that the future will forever be a function of the European Union, rather in the same why as, when I was growing up, the Soviet Union would always be a major and massive fact of all our lives.

And then, one day, it was gone. Just like that (not like that... oh, never mind). When bodies like that fall, they fall hard and fast. They just go, and God help anyone standing beneath them. It doesn't matter what the white noise in the public square is. When the people want you out, you're gone. The outers may be on the start of an ascent curve here.

24 January 2013 at 16:15  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

Obviously -

24 January 2013 at 16:16  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

It is strange that these groups argue and call each others' views of the EU 'extreme' when they are no such thing other than an alternative view to the liberal lefty guardian thinking, which I think is extreme and foolhardy.

Great idea from His Grace here to chair and guide the group of all the leaders of 'Out' groups. If they meet on a regular basis say once a fortnight for strategic planning which is then fed back to all members of the groups for actions. Key members of each group would have to attend all the different groups' meetings and conferences etc,,, and all be kept in the loop to be able to pass on to the general public for discussions.
It would turn into a real movement that could sweep across the country and actually get us out. How exciting.

These groups are good and all have nuanced reasons and arguments that are thought through (some of them have had long enough!) and practical as well as visionary for getting out of the EU, I imagine if they all co-ordinated and each covered an area of expertise for when they are interviewed and gave speeches they would be no match for the 'In' groups.

24 January 2013 at 16:26  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Just remember Lech Walesa !

24 January 2013 at 17:03  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Anyone who wants to follow up on Marie1797 suggestion, I can put them in touch with people who are already on this mission.

24 January 2013 at 17:06  
Blogger Naomi King said...

UK column is a good place to start, just google UKCOLUMN.

"What makes me tick? I woke up to realise that much of what I learned and believed in was false.

I now understand that the Britain of which I was once proud, is rotten and controlled by a rotten criminal government and establishment elite. Even our churches and religions have been corrupted. I felt particularly betrayed, having ‘served’ my Queen and Country as a Naval Officer for 21 years. Rather than sit and watch the action I decided to do something, and the first step was to tell the truth about what I knew – to speak out.

What an adventure it has been and what great new friends I have met.

Many people get very nervous when they first wake up. The good news is that action conquers fear. We are more than conquerors through him that loved us, for ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

One asks, "Who is listening, what are they doing, are my emails being monitored, am I being watched, will they get me?" – it’s scary. These fears and feelings are exactly what the other side want us to have, as then they can further suppress, depress and control us.

I’ll say that again “ACTION CONQUERS FEAR”. Try it, but use common sense. Don’t jump in the deep end without understanding and calculated planning. Think carefully and decide what you can do and in an area you feel comfortable. Then do it. No matter how small. And tell others about your successes. You will gain new friends. Good people. All colours, shapes and sizes. The word will spread, the good networks will grow, and so will the exposure.

Why exposure? Because the bad guys are terrified, absolutely terrified of exposure. That their dirty deeds will be brought into the light. It does not matter what position or powers they hold, they are all terrified of exposure. Try it. Expose one of the bad guys in your area. Use only truth and factual evidence and you may be surprised at the effect. Anger, then fear of you – the position is reversed. You have taken the first step to winning. Enough of us winning means the battle is won.


24 January 2013 at 17:14  
Blogger Naomi King said...

What do I believe is happening? A vicious dictatorship is forming with increasing speed and the UK establishment and government is a major part of the malevolent force helping to create it. A major part of the driving force is the corrupt, fraudulent international banking cartels.

The controlling networks for the emerging British dictatorship ultimately rely on embedded sexually perverse networks. They are not dirty old men on the street but ‘respected’ people, both men and women, at high levels of position and power. These people must be stopped. They are sexually corrupted, perverted, powerful and very dangerous.

On the path to the dictatorship, the most dangerous agenda is that of violence on the streets. And that is precisely what our government and fraudulent establishment want. They are attempting to manifest violence with increasing urgency. If successful it will be followed by a massive clampdown by force on individual and public freedoms. Democracy turns to Tyranny just as Plato predicted.

To stop their plans for violence we need all good people to work together. Our key weapons are Godliness, Knowledge of The Book (Bring the Book, Read the Book, Understand the Book, Enjoy the Book, Obey the Book.) and exposure of the malevolent Agenda and its perpetrators. If you now live in UK, we are all in the same immediate danger.

If we want to stop the EU dictatorship, and we must, we have to understand how it thinks, plans and acts, and we have to take action. For some people, sitting at home researching is all they can do, and we are grateful for their efforts. Keep doing it. Other people can be more proactive and get out and about to warn people, spread the word, organise and act. Doing that already? Keep doing it.

We are now at the point where we have to act – sitting and watching is not an option. Not if our children are to have a future they can enjoy. For this day is holy unto our LORD: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength."

24 January 2013 at 17:15  
Blogger David B said...

Wanna buy a tinfoil hat, Naomi?


24 January 2013 at 17:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Doom and gloom from our man today, what !

One needs to instil the fighting spirit. We’ve got 4 years to mobilise fully, and one predicts the current groundswell of anti EU feeling will only escalate in that time.

You see, the length of time is to our advantage. If Cameron called a sudden referendum now, then the Archbishop would be correct. The pro EU people would be queuing up to give us sleepless night after night of warning the GB would sink beneath the waves if it breaks free. But to keep that up for 4 years ? - get out of here…

We must also realise it gives the voters ample time to actually investigate the EU for themselves. And the more they look into it, the more appalled they will be. One makes an observation at this stage - Once you turn away from the EU, you never go back to supporting the idea of being in it. How could you ?

And if we do vote to leave, it must be on a vote whose position has been considered over much time. A snap referendum and a ‘No’ would only give the socialist liberals ammunition to put us back into the EU at a later date, saying the vote was not considered enough. We can’t have that happening in the future. No, not at all, we can never go back and hopefully, it is unlikely the Franco-Germans would have us back anyway…

Onwards and upwards chaps, our salvation is at hand. Our destiny is finally ours to choose…

Now, let’s conclude with There’ll always be an England and Rule Britannia

24 January 2013 at 17:59  
Blogger peter_dtm said...

UK membership of the EEC was ratified by referendum of the people in 1975:


The referendum was false.
We were told we were joining an Economic Community NOT a feral state

We were told that our fishing rights were secure and untouchable - AFTER the politicians had already signed them away

We were promised that the CAP would be reformed - 40 years later; it is still run by the French for the French

Heath and Wilson LIED - and have admitted as such; there fore the results of the referendum are NULL and VOID

It appears that the 1689 bill of rights must still be in force; as it has to be amended to allow the latest constitutional dogs dinner to pass into law.

Since the 1689 Bill of Rights refuses to allow Monarch OR Parliament the authority to hand over sovereignty to any foreign Prince or Power; ALL EU treaties doing just that are void.

24 January 2013 at 20:02  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Good to see you back in civvies, Inspector.

24 January 2013 at 20:26  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That bird, one found himself posting angrily under the uniform. Really not the Inspector at all, you know...

24 January 2013 at 22:14  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

I was just thinking perhaps we need some common sense injected into the UK from overseas. If the next Governor of the Bank of England is going to be Canadian- albeit one who is in trouble for putting the wrong Maple Leaf on the $100 note- perhaps we should invite Prime Minister Stephen Harper to lead the Conservatives?

24 January 2013 at 22:43  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

And of course we can export without being in the EU- one of our great exports is the English language and culture.

24 January 2013 at 22:47  
Blogger Irene's Daughter said...

Why has this come out today? Is it perhaps to drown out the objections to the imminent 2nd reading of the marriage bill?

Or am i just too cynical?

24 January 2013 at 23:49  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...


Good show.

One did observe some time ago the military uniform was generating rather extreme opinions.

25 January 2013 at 00:03  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Naomi and Inspector

You're right Naomi Action speaks louder than words.

A lot of these groups have gathered over the years a lot of experience and information that maybe just needs organising into understandable modules for the general public to easily digest.
It's very presumptuous of Call me Dave to think he will win the next election, and we all know based on all the u turns he has done that nothing much will come of anything he says really.

Jo public on the whole do not seek out information on the EU particularly, they need it putting in front of them. They need to realise how much we are paying in and how little we are getting in return. UKIP have done wonders here in enlightenment. But, what is needed is something like a profit and loss account.

The Welsh especially need to be able to see that they will be better off as a country if we were out rather than in as Wales is very reliant on money from the EU.

So the group has just over two years to work on their campaign before the 2015 election to organise themselves and get people talking and fully enlightened to get out.

The Bruges group with their wonderful and inspiring talks, the People's Pledge with their positive enthusiastic town centre shop fronts and pub meetings face to face discussions and internet info, The Get Britain Out grp with their little internet gems like this are so informative.

I think the enthusiasm and the knowledge is there it just needs disseminating in a co-ordinated and organised manner and the momentum must be kept up. I really do admire Nigel Farrage he is relentless. Godfrey Bloom of UKIP is a good voice too as is Paul Nuttall. I'd try and get Michael Portillo somehow on board too as he's got many a good angle.
It's like a giant sales campaign, every person in the UK must be seen as an Out vote.

25 January 2013 at 00:58  
Blogger Manfarang said...

who will speak officially for 'Out'?
Tony Benn

The 1975 referendum was about a split in the Labour Party.
Britain joined the EEC in 1973.
Today most Labour Party members would be in favour of the EU while the Tories remain badly split on the issue.
I remember in 1975 someone in a RAFA club saying he would vote Yes as Britain was still living in the Victoria age.

25 January 2013 at 05:00  
Blogger Naomi King said...

The severe warning to those who do not know God.

The light of the wicked indeed goes out, 
and the flame of his fire does not shine. The light is dark in his tent, 
and his lamp beside him is put out. The steps of his strength are shortened, 
and his own counsel casts him down. For he is cast into a net by his own feet, 
and he walks into a snare. The net takes him by the heel, 
and a snare lays hold of him. A noose is hidden for him on the ground, 
and a trap for him in the road. Terrors frighten him on every side, 
and drive him to his feet. His strength is starved, 
and destruction is ready at his side. It devours patches of his skin; 
the firstborn of death devours his limbs. He is uprooted from the shelter of his tent, 
and they parade him before the king of terrors. They dwell in his tent who are none of his; 
brimstone is scattered on his dwelling. His roots are dried out below, 
and his branch withers above. The memory of him perishes from the earth, 
and he has no name among the renowned. He is driven from light into darkness, 
and chased out of the world. He has neither son nor posterity among his people, 
nor any remaining in his dwellings. Those in the west are astonished at his day, 
as those in the east are frightened. Surely such are the dwellings of the wicked, 
and this is the place of him who does not know God.

A severe warning to those who do not know God.

25 January 2013 at 06:05  
Blogger Naomi King said...

I was talking with a journalist yesterday who tells me that David Cameron is completely surrounded by homosexuals. Theirs is the voice he hears.

25 January 2013 at 06:22  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

After biting my lower lip in anger: I agree to the following:

‘You may loathe Cameron and despise the Conservatives. You may not trust or believe either, with very good reason. But if you really want to act in the national interest in order to have a hope of restoring national sovereignty and our ancient liberties, you will need to hold your nose in 2015 and vote Tory.’

‘But let us be clear, if that settlement does not include - as a minimum - repatriated control over borders, fishing, employment, welfare and social policy, justice and human rights, then there cannot be the 'flexibility' he demands. And that will mean that David Cameron will have failed in his negotiations. And that will be more likely to incline the people to vote 'Out'.’

‘Yet getting even that unified message out of anti-EU organisations is like herding cats.’

25 January 2013 at 07:54  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

Naomi King,

I am quite confused now.

Who are the and what is the malevolent Agenda and who exactly are its perpetrators? Is it the international banking cartels mentioned or the EU? And what about the illuminate/ Bilderberg group?

25 January 2013 at 08:01  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Dear David Kavanagh

Watch this film and then ask again if it is not clear.

God bless

25 January 2013 at 08:44  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Naomi: "I was talking with a journalist yesterday who tells me that David Cameron is completely surrounded by homosexuals. Theirs is the voice he hears."

You're thinking of David Walliams and it was on Little Britain.

26 January 2013 at 19:23  
Blogger len said...

Probably 'closer to home'.

27 January 2013 at 09:49  

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